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Literally nothing you said in reply to any of his arguments make me reconsider my opinion. Just because you answered him with red text doesn't make you automatically correct. I don't see how they are factually wrong or have a reason at all.

The Rune Priests' power most likely does come from the warp, but they themselves do not believe so and instead believe their power comes from the pagan gods and spirits they worship

If this is true, this makes them heretics.

The SW can do things other chapters can not because they are organised in a vastly different manner and are the only chapter that completely disregards the Codex Astartes.

Not exactly. There are several non-adherent Chapters. The Black Templars are one such Chapter.

 Psienesis wrote:

The Rune Priests' power most likely does come from the warp, but they themselves do not believe so and instead believe their power comes from the pagan gods and spirits they worship

If this is true, this makes them heretics.

According to the Ecclesiarchy, yes. Why else did you think they tried to invade Fenris?
But to be honest, the SW are not the only chapter with strongly deviant believes, nor the only chapter considered 'heretics' by the Ecclessiarchy.
Most Astartes do not worship the Emprah. Some of them, worship other things beside the Emprah.

 Psienesis wrote:

The SW can do things other chapters can not because they are organised in a vastly different manner and are the only chapter that completely disregards the Codex Astartes.

Not exactly. There are several non-adherent Chapters. The Black Templars are one such Chapter.

Yes, many chapters, especially first founding ones are not completely adherent. The BT are definitely not a codex-adherent chapter, but they still use the codex in some way. Large parts of their chapter are still organised along codex lines.
The SW are the only chapter that disregards the codex in it's entirety. Apart from their vehicles, the SW do not even share a single unit with codex-adherent chapters.

Except where they use the term "Great Company" rather than just "Company". I think you're either overstating the non-adherence of the SW or under-stating that of other non-Adherent Chapters.

According to the Ecclesiarchy, yes. Why else did you think they tried to invade Fenris?
But to be honest, the SW are not the only chapter with strongly deviant believes, nor the only chapter considered 'heretics' by the Ecclessiarchy.
Most Astartes do not worship the Emprah. Some of them, worship other things beside the Emprah.

Who worships something other than the Emperor and has not been declared Excommunicatus Traitoris?

 Psienesis wrote:
Except where they use the term "Great Company" rather than just "Company". I think you're either overstating the non-adherence of the SW or under-stating that of other non-Adherent Chapters.

According to the Ecclesiarchy, yes. Why else did you think they tried to invade Fenris?
But to be honest, the SW are not the only chapter with strongly deviant believes, nor the only chapter considered 'heretics' by the Ecclessiarchy.
Most Astartes do not worship the Emprah. Some of them, worship other things beside the Emprah.

Who worships something other than the Emperor and has not been declared Excommunicatus Traitoris?

Closet heretics?

 Psienesis wrote:
Except where they use the term "Great Company" rather than just "Company". I think you're either overstating the non-adherence of the SW or under-stating that of other non-Adherent Chapters.

Still, the SW are the only chapter that doesn't even have a single 'codex unit'. Also, their non-adherence is a major theme in their fluff.

 Psienesis wrote:
Who worships something other than the Emperor and has not been declared Excommunicatus Traitoris?

The Iron Hands, to name an example from the top of my head. But most chapters do not even worship anything at all. They do not see the Emperor as a god.
And it is not like the SW are heretics. The Emperor is known to them as the 'Allfather' and they do venerate him.

And I am not sure whether the Imperial Creed forbids the worship of other gods beside the Emperor. I was under the impression that it was very liberal and was like: 'As long as you worship the Emperor you can believe anything you want'.

 Selym wrote:
Closet heretics?

No, that's the Dark Angels

Still, the SW are the only chapter that doesn't even have a single 'codex unit'. Also, their non-adherence is a major theme in their fluff.

Just because they are named differently, doesn't mean they aren't, which at the same time doesn't mean they should be far better and yet still cheaper then the others.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Still, the SW are the only chapter that doesn't even have a single 'codex unit'. Also, their non-adherence is a major theme in their fluff.

Just because they are named differently, doesn't mean they aren't, which at the same time doesn't mean they should be far better and yet still cheaper then the others.

They are not only named differently, their entire background fluff and their stats are different as well. They are as different as possible while still being Astartes.
Also, your last statement is not true. Tactical marines are actually cheaper than Grey Hunters (70 points for 4 tacs+sergeant vs 75 points for 5 hunters) and Grey Hunters can't take sergeants or heavy weapons.
Long Fangs are also more expansive than Devastators.
The only thing the SW get is relatively cheap Wolf Guard.
Also, the SW do not have acces to all the newer toys in the C:SM.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Still, the SW are the only chapter that doesn't even have a single 'codex unit'. Also, their non-adherence is a major theme in their fluff.

Just because they are named differently, doesn't mean they aren't, which at the same time doesn't mean they should be far better and yet still cheaper then the others.

They are not only named differently, their entire background fluff and their stats are different as well. They are as different as possible while still being Astartes.
Also, your last statement is not true. Tactical marines are actually cheaper than Grey Hunters (70 points for 4 tacs+sergeant vs 75 points for 5 hunters) and Grey Hunters can't take sergeants or heavy weapons.
Long Fangs are also more expansive than Devastators.
The only thing the SW get is relatively cheap Wolf Guard.
Also, the SW do not have acces to all the newer toys in the C:SM.

I suppose, I was speaking of when they were released however in the same edition. I hope to avoid seeing it again.

31st millennium Space Wolves were dicks. The wider imperium citizenry considered them savages, Imperial Guard/Navy would refuse to fight alongside them, for a Terran aspirant being assigned to the Space Wolves was as bad a fate as the broken World Eaters, and every collaboration with other Legions we are aware of ended in confrontation and millennia-long feuds.

At least Russ and his immediate subordinates had the decency to feel shame for their actions, but after Russ left, the Legion was shaped by Bjorn, who comes off as a starchy prick in the latest novel who lives by the creed that "What we do is right because we do it, and we are the good guys. Because we are."

So they are still pricks in the 41st millennium, just of a different variety.