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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 04:39:59
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/12/us-drone-strike-wedding-party-yemen_n_4434127.html
SANAA, Yemen (AP) — Missiles fired by a U.S. drone slammed into a convoy of vehicles traveling to a wedding party in central Yemen on Thursday, killing at least 13 people, Yemeni security officials said.
The officials said the attack took place in the city of Radda, the capital of Bayda province, and left charred bodies and burnt out cars on the road. The city, a stronghold of al-Qaida militants, witnessed deadly clashes early last year between armed tribesmen backed by the military and al-Qaida gunmen in an attempt to drive them out of the city.
There were no immediate details on who was killed in the strike, and there were conflicting reports about whether there were militants traveling with the wedding convoy.
A military official said initial information indicated the drone mistook the wedding party for an al-Qaida convoy. He said tribesmen known to the villagers were among the dead.
One of the three security officials, however, said al-Qaida militants were suspected to have been traveling with the wedding convoy.
While the U.S. acknowledges its drone program in Yemen, it does not usually talk about individual strikes.
If further investigations determine that the victims were all civilians, the attack could fuel an outburst of anger against the United States and the government in Sanaa among a Yemeni public already opposed to the U.S. drone strikes.
Civilian deaths have bred resentments on a local level, sometimes undermining U.S. efforts to turn the public against the militants. The backlash in Yemen is still not as large as in Pakistan, where there is heavy pressure on the government to force limits on strikes — but public calls for a halt to strikes are starting to emerge.
In October, two U.N. human rights investigators called for more transparency from the United States and other countries about their drone programs, saying their secrecy is the biggest obstacle to determining the civilian toll of such strikes.
The missile attacks in Yemen are part of a joint U.S.-Yemeni campaign against al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, which Washington has called the most dangerous branch of the global terrorist network.
Thursday's drone strike is the second since a massive car bombing and coordinated assault on Yemen's military headquarters killed 56 people, including foreigners. Al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was retaliation for U.S. drone strikes that have killed dozens of the group's leaders.
Security forces in the Yemeni capital boosted their presence Thursday, setting up checkpoints across the city and sealing off the road to the president's residence, in response to what the Interior Ministry called threats of "terrorist plots" targeting vital institutions and government buildings.
Meanwhile, in the Yemen's restive northern, ultraconservative Sunni Muslim militants and rebels belonging to a branch of Shiite Islam battled each other with artillery and machine guns in clashes that killed more than 40 people, security officials said.
The violence between Islamic Salafi fighters and Hawthi rebels has raged for weeks in Yemen's northern province of Saada, but the latest sectarian clashes marked an expansion of the fighting to the neighboring province of Hagga. The government brokered a cease-fire last month to try to end the violence, but both sides have repeatedly broken the truce.
Officials said clashes began when ultraconservative Salafis took over a Hawthi stronghold in a mountainous area near the border with Saudi Arabia. The officials say that most of the casualties were on the Hawthi side.
The officials said that Salafis, however, accused Hawthis of trying to infiltrate their strongholds in the town of Fagga.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the fighting publicly.
Hawthi launched in insurgency in 2004 against autocratic President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who stepped down in 2012 after a popular uprising against his rule. Over the course of the Hawthi rebellion, hundreds of people were killed and an estimated 125,000 people uprooted until the rebels and the government struck a fragile cease-fire in 2010.
But the north remained restive despite the truce, and fighting flared along another fault line in November after Hawthis accused the Salafis of trying to gain a foothold in their territory by spreading their brand of Islam.
The rebels say their community of Shiite Muslims suffers discrimination and neglect and that the government has allowed ultraconservative Sunni extremists too strong a voice in the country. Hard-line Sunnis consider Shiites heretics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:01:35
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Are we to see "Obama is a War Criminal" rallies now?
I doubt it...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:06:25
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Doesn't Yemen 'authorize' these strikes?
Or, am I misremembering things here...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:07:13
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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djones520 wrote:Are we to see "Obama is a War Criminal" rallies now?
I doubt it...
Well, you aren't going to, because you don't want to see anything that doesn't fit your political narrative. Horse to water, and all that.
But that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:07:22
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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djones520 wrote:Are we to see "Obama is a War Criminal" rallies now?
I doubt it...
You don't have to worry about those once you get the Nobel Peace Prize
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:08:28
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Ouze wrote: djones520 wrote:Are we to see "Obama is a War Criminal" rallies now?
I doubt it...
Well, you aren't going to, because you don't want to see anything that doesn't fit your political narrative. Horse to water, and all that.
But that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Guess I shoulda clarified here within the US. Good call though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:10:48
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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The devil's in the details
And, to answer the original question, I say "not to the extent that there should be".
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:18:26
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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d-usa wrote: djones520 wrote:Are we to see "Obama is a War Criminal" rallies now?
I doubt it...
You don't have to worry about those once you get the Nobel Peace Prize
In one fell swoop, they completely nullified the value of that prize with that move...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:21:05
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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whembly wrote:Doesn't Yemen 'authorize' these strikes?
Or, am I misremembering things here...
They don't authorize each individual strike, but we're there with the permission and approval of the Yemeni government, yes. Just like in Pakistan.
Ouze wrote:And, to answer the original question, I say "not to the extent that there should be".
Oh, come on. If we've learned one thing since 2009, it's that the president finds out about bad stuff the government does when the rest of us do. We can't hold him accountable for stuff he didn't know about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:23:47
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Seaward wrote:Ouze wrote:And, to answer the original question, I say "not to the extent that there should be".
Oh, come on. If we've learned one thing since 2009, it's that the president finds out about bad stuff the government does when the rest of us do. We can't hold him accountable for stuff he didn't know about.
For the most transparent administration ever, he certainly does seem to be in the dark a lot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:28:22
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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I had a friend tell me that drone pilots are one a split second command, with lag happening, so they are liable to make mistakes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:44:18
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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djones520 wrote: Seaward wrote:Ouze wrote:And, to answer the original question, I say "not to the extent that there should be".
Oh, come on. If we've learned one thing since 2009, it's that the president finds out about bad stuff the government does when the rest of us do. We can't hold him accountable for stuff he didn't know about.
For the most transparent administration ever, he certainly does seem to be in the dark a lot. 
He doesn't have to lie about it if he doesn't know about it.
Transparency achieved!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:50:24
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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djones520 wrote:For the most transparent administration ever, he certainly does seem to be in the dark a lot. 
I absolutely hate how that seems to have become the reflexive response as of late - trying to speedily establish that the President was unaware of (whatever). Like that's a good answer in any way. I mean, I don't expect him to have intimate knowledge of the candy bar stock levels of every vending machine in the CIA, but If i recall they trotted that out post-haste for the healthcare.gov website issues; where he either had to have known, or should have known.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 05:58:26
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Ouze wrote: djones520 wrote:For the most transparent administration ever, he certainly does seem to be in the dark a lot. 
I absolutely hate how that seems to have become the reflexive response as of late - trying to speedily establish that the President was unaware of (whatever). Like that's a good answer in any way. I mean, I don't expect him to have intimate knowledge of the candy bar stock levels of every vending machine in the CIA, but If i recall they trotted that out post-haste for the healthcare.gov website issues; where he either had to have known, or should have known.
Eh... I feel like he's earned that response because, that's what he promised back in '08.
I don't expect him to know every military engagement, but I certainly hope he'd see/hear about things like what happened in OP. That way, he has an opportunity to make any adjustment that we'd expect from our Chief Executive.
As to the healthcare.gov/PPACA rollout... he definitely earned that Ouze.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 06:01:31
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Wait, maybe I was unclear. When I said "I hate that's the reflexive response", I wasn't talking about people giving him a hard time by saying stuff like "most transparent administration ever".
I was saying I hate how often the administration's first response seems has been an attempt to shield the president from responsibility. I was agreeing with the snark. Wholly.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 06:04:20
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Sorry man... read that differently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 06:04:58
Subject: Re:U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Yeah, I see that  No harm no foul.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/13 06:25:52
Subject: U.S. Drone Strike Hits Convoy Headed To Wedding Party In Yemen
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I had a friend tell me that drone pilots are one a split second command, with lag happening, so they are liable to make mistakes.
Your friend is wrong. There is some lag between pulling the trigger and the missile hitting its target, but most of that is going to be the same missile flight time any pilot has to deal with. Even if he was right, refusing to take this increased likelihood of mistakes into account would still make the pilots criminally negligent.
There is simply no excuse for the US to operate under the rules of engagement it does in a country that isn't even a warzone. If there's any chance that the people you're aiming at are just a family going to a wedding, you should not be pulling the trigger.
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