Another school shooting today

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**the shrouded lord**

d-usa wrote:
It's almost like you can be pro-gun control and also like to own guns...

dat avatar

**Frazzled**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Evidently there's something in the air in Colorado.

If only the air had had a gun...

But just like the evil NRA advocates, the school did, which stopped the shooting.

After that, Pierson set off one of the Molotov cocktails, setting at least three bookshelves on fire, investigators told KDVR.com. When an armed school resource officer entered the room, Pierson believed he was cornered and turned his gun on himself, Robinson said. The entire attack lasted approximately 80 seconds and was captured by security cameras.

**whembly**

Where do you see this? There's still scant details on this... isn't there?

**Hordini**

whembly wrote:
Where do you see this? There's still scant details on this... isn't there?

They mention an armed school resource officer, who is a county sheriff's deputy, responding very quickly in this article from CNN.

**d-usa**

There should be more school resource officers out there. It seems like that is one of those positions that often gets the axe between school budget cuts and PD budget cuts...

Frazzled wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Evidently there's something in the air in Colorado.

If only the air had had a gun...

But just like the evil NRA advocates, the school did, which stopped the shooting.

Slightly false statement from you though, since the "school" didn't have the guns and what the NRA actually advocates is armed teachers.

Here you had a cop with a gun who was stationed at the school, which is what we need more off and which is a far cry from armed teachers.

**Hordini**

I thought the NRA was supportive of more school resource officers as well?

**djones520**

d-usa wrote:
There should be more school resource officers out there. It seems like that is one of those positions that often gets the axe between school budget cuts and PD budget cuts...

Frazzled wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Evidently there's something in the air in Colorado.

If only the air had had a gun...

But just like the evil NRA advocates, the school did, which stopped the shooting.

Slightly false statement from you though, since the "school" didn't have the guns and what the NRA actually advocates is armed teachers.

Here you had a cop with a gun who was stationed at the school, which is what we need more off and which is a far cry from armed teachers.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/21/nra-newtown-police-in-schools/1784953/

The NRA just wants responsible people on hand who will protect the children if necessary. Whether it be police, or citizens.

**d-usa**

I have not heard much about their "police in school" support. The "teachers-with-guns" thing gets the airplay on the news, so if I missed that I'm sorry.

I do think we need more school resource cops, especially since they can cover a whole lot more issues than "just a shooter".

**djones520**

d-usa wrote:
I have not heard much about their "police in school" support. The "teachers-with-guns" thing gets the airplay on the news, so if I missed that I'm sorry.

I do think we need more school resource cops, especially since they can cover a whole lot more issues than "just a shooter".

It's not surprising, since that is sensationalist, and hence the media will prey on it.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Stationing an armed Policeman or two with every school would probably be a good idea, given the massive prevalence of firearms and regular shootings.

**d-usa**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Stationing an armed Policeman or two with every school would probably be a good idea, given the massive prevalence of firearms and regular shootings.

Not just the whole firearms thing.

It could help with drugs, bullying, general comunity building, teach kids that "cops aren't bad", give children a safe person that they can turn to for help with issues at home.

**djones520**

d-usa wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Stationing an armed Policeman or two with every school would probably be a good idea, given the massive prevalence of firearms and regular shootings.

Not just the whole firearms thing.

It could help with drugs, bullying, general comunity building, teach kids that "cops aren't bad", give children a safe person that they can turn to for help with issues at home.

Anyone could provide that. My schools resource officer? Waste of flesh. The only thing she did was stalk the parking lot looking for things to give the kids tickets over. Did absolutely nothing to endear herself to the student body, to make herself into a person like you're describing.

There were teachers we could go to over much of that though. And has been shown time and time again across the nation, you are safer with an armed citizen immediately on scene then a police officer. Especially if you are in New York City.

**sebster**

whembly wrote:
He was obviously a little disturbed...

For willingly joining a debate team?

But the stuff you note, that he calls himself a socialist, attacks Adam Smith and thinks that Smith somehow is in contradiction with Keynes... that's pretty standard fare for highschool kids who take an interest in economics, who basically are looking for an identity and a crusade and force that on to economics.

Anyhow, disturbed kid tries a massacre, and we're just really lucky he's the only casualty. I'm not sure there's really a lot more to be said than that.

**djones520**

sebster wrote:
whembly wrote:
He was obviously a little disturbed...

For willingly joining a debate team?

But the stuff you note, that he calls himself a socialist, attacks Adam Smith and thinks that Smith somehow is in contradiction with Keynes... that's pretty standard fare for highschool kids who take an interest in economics, who basically are looking for an identity and a crusade and force that on to economics.

Anyhow, disturbed kid tries a massacre, and we're just really lucky he's the only casualty. I'm not sure there's really a lot more to be said than that.

The girl he shot full on is still in critical condition last I heard. He was NOT the only casualty.

What I am wondering about all this though... his parents. I have not heard single word about them, other then they were divorced.

**MWHistorian**

So, an armed person on the scene stopped a mass killing. Is there a way to find these troubled kids before they pop? That seems to be the best way to stop these school shootings.

**Relapse**

djones520 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I have not heard much about their "police in school" support. The "teachers-with-guns" thing gets the airplay on the news, so if I missed that I'm sorry.

I do think we need more school resource cops, especially since they can cover a whole lot more issues than "just a shooter".

It's not surprising, since that is sensationalist, and hence the media will prey on it.

Sensationalism, the wave of the future, baby!

**cincydooley**

MWHistorian wrote:
So, an armed person on the scene stopped a mass killing. Is there a way to find these troubled kids before they pop? That seems to be the best way to stop these school shootings.

Figure that out and how to implement it successfully and you may win the Nobel prize and be appointed secretary of education and homeland security on the spot.

**daedalus**

d-usa wrote:
It's almost like you can be pro-gun control and also like to own guns...

Likewise, anti-gun control (by that, I mean anti-knee jerk measures, obviously no one is completely anti-gun control) and not even own a single firearm.

**master of ordinance**

Another one?
blahblahblah the victims should have had guns, its all their faults blahblahblah.

**MWHistorian**

master of ordinance wrote:
Another one?
blahblahblah the victims should have had guns, its all their faults blahblahblah.

No one is saying that it was their fault.

**cincydooley**

master of ordinance wrote:
Another one?
blahblahblah the victims should have had guns, its all their faults blahblahblah.

Pretty moronic comment here. Did you bother reading any of this thread?

**Frazzled**

Hordini wrote:
I thought the NRA was supportive of more school resource officers as well?

Yes they are advocating a RO at every major school.

**Tibbsy**

Frazzled wrote:
Hordini wrote:
I thought the NRA was supportive of more school resource officers as well?

Yes they are advocating a RO at every major school.

The Dakka glossary makes that appear as "Resurrection Orb"

It appears they really are planning for the worst!

**hdbbstephen**

cincydooley wrote:
MWHistorian wrote:
So, an armed person on the scene stopped a mass killing. Is there a way to find these troubled kids before they pop? That seems to be the best way to stop these school shootings.

Figure that out and how to implement it successfully and you may win the Nobel prize and be appointed secretary of education and homeland security on the spot.

From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/14/us/colorado-school-gunman-karl-pierson/

Senior Chris Davis, 18, was among many students Saturday trying to make sense of Pierson's shooting rampage.

"He was a weird kid," Davis said. "He's a self-proclaimed communist, just wears Soviet shirts all the time."

and

A man who declined to be identified in an CNN interview lives a few doors away and said he has known Pierson since he was a boy. In the last few days, the neighbor noticed Pierson driving at excessive speeds throughout their normally quiet, modest middle-class suburb.

The neighbor said Pierson's mother, Barbara, transferred her son to Arapahoe High School from nearby Highland Ranch High School because her son had been subjected to constant ridicule and physical altercations.

"He was socially awkward and just didn't seem to fit into the larger teenage groups, and I think that weighed on him," the neighbor told CNN.

Part of it is normal, teenager stuff, but throw in the Communist ideas and things get creepy fast.

**Dreadclaw69**

So a shooter is confronted with an armed response and turns the firearm on himself. That is a bit of a trend, isn't it.

**Easy E**

I can't wait until I hear about the shooter's obsession with violent video games.

**Dreadclaw69**

Easy E wrote:
I can't wait until I hear about the shooter's obsession with violent video games.

And rock music/action films/rap music (delete as appropriate)

**the shrouded lord**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Easy E wrote:
I can't wait until I hear about the shooter's obsession with violent video games.

And rock music/action films/rap music (delete as appropriate)

Here, have an exalt.

**jamesk1973**

Evidently he was looking to cause some real mayhem.

Latest report says that he was in possession of a shotgun, a bandolier of ammunition, a machete, and three Molotov cocktails.

Latest report also states that it was over with in ~80 seconds mostly because the SRO was fast approaching as he (the shooter) entered the library.

During that time he fired five times and threw one Molotov cocktail.

**Alfndrate**

The stuff about the molotov seems... sketchy... Like this happened days ago, and we're only now just hearing about it? Especially if he actually lit and threw one I would think we'd be hearing about it almost as soon as it happened, since ya know... fire bad...