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So Tyranids are supposedly out next month, looking forward to it, but I had planned to spend my christmas cash on some iron hands, but seeing the new kits makes me want to do that, but I am really fickle, so I can't decide.

Both.

My advice would be to stick with your iron hands until the Tyranid codex actually arrives.
That way, if the Tyranid codex winds up being bad, you won't have to worry about spending money on something you might not use.

To many Space Marine players as is, Tyranids would be much more creative and fun to play IMO.

Nids. They look better, they'll probably play better unless the codex was written by a dunce.

And Spess Muhreens are just far too common, imo.

Space marines will never be a bad army. Tyranids have had a few unbalanced codexes.

 Igenstilch wrote:
Space marines will never be a bad army. Tyranids have had a few unbalanced codexes.

Space marines have never been "good" either. They've always been the literal middle of the road, somewhere between 4 and 8th overall. Tyranids have ranged from one of the best in the game (late 4th) to one of the worst (late 5th edition).

Depends, do you want to ride the Tyranid roller-coaster, or play the far more common and "stable" marines?

 Igenstilch wrote:
Space marines will never be a bad army.

That's because:

"Spess and 'Dubs
sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
first comes codex
then comes supplement
then comes stupid amounts of unnecessary updates and models that no xenos army can ever hope to compare to"

Sing it with me!

Tyranids for sure. Though this is being coloured by my love for them.

Wait for the Tyranid codex to come out before deciding which army you want to play.

Just have both!

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Igenstilch wrote:
Space marines will never be a bad army. Tyranids have had a few unbalanced codexes.

Space marines have never been "good" either. They've always been the literal middle of the road, somewhere between 4 and 8th overall. Tyranids have ranged from one of the best in the game (late 4th) to one of the worst (late 5th edition).

Depends, do you want to ride the Tyranid roller-coaster, or play the far more common and "stable" marines?

Space Marines were damned good back in 2nd edition. WS 7 BS 7 S 5 T 5 Captains. lvl 3 Chaplains, and lvl 4 Librarians were ruinous, especially in terminator armor. Dreadnoughts were effect BS 7 and WS 6, and dear Emperor the special rules for their weapons made everyone else whimper.

Even the space marine's lowly bolter wasn't a bad weapon back in the day. Str 4 was good and the -1 on the armor save made it a 50/50 chance that even MEQ would fail an armor save. And terminators, oh my goodness, expensive but dang they could take a hail of fire and just laugh it off.

Rumbleguts wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Igenstilch wrote:
Space marines will never be a bad army. Tyranids have had a few unbalanced codexes.

Space marines have never been "good" either. They've always been the literal middle of the road, somewhere between 4 and 8th overall. Tyranids have ranged from one of the best in the game (late 4th) to one of the worst (late 5th edition).

Depends, do you want to ride the Tyranid roller-coaster, or play the far more common and "stable" marines?

Space Marines were damned good back in 2nd edition. WS 7 BS 7 S 5 T 5 Captains. lvl 3 Chaplains, and lvl 4 Librarians were ruinous, especially in terminator armor. Dreadnoughts were effect BS 7 and WS 6, and dear Emperor the special rules for their weapons made everyone else whimper.

And They were still middle of the road despite that, which makes wonder how bad other armies were. Tyranids back then were hideously powerful.

Nids. If recent GW releases are any indicator, they will be a top-tier tournament army on arrival.

It depends if you are choosing an army because it is cool (best way) or by effectiveness...

Nids. Too many people go SM.

twj wrote:
It depends if you are choosing an army because it is cool (best way) or by effectiveness...

Well I think both are cool, perhaps do both, buy a squad of nids, buy a squad of hands, alternate.

Iron hands are cool, but i would wait to see what the nids get first.

Let the dust settle on 'nids before you buy in imo. It could be a boring codex you won't want to play, a bad codex you won't want to play, or a great codex that everyone else wants to play which might make you want to avoid it too. Also you could get abominations released that turn you off the army such as dino bots or khornemowers have done for CSM players.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nids. Too many people go SM.

This has 2 interesting side effects other then you just being part of the crowd...as it were.

1. You will get more "pick up" games then a generic space marine player, as people are sick of playing space marines by and large.
2. People will have less experience playing against Tyranids. EVERYONE knows how to play against space marines, but nids are an unknown quantity in a lot of areas. It can give you an interesting advantage in some situations.

IRON HANDS! take them! They are cool. Especially if you get the Clan Raukaan supplement. And they have a few awesome Forgeworld models. But I am obviously biased

If you consider going for the 'nids, you should wait until the new codex arrives and evaluate it.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
IRON HANDS! take them! They are cool. Especially if you get the Clan Raukaan supplement.

Not exactly the best advice. Iron hands seemed to accidentally get the new hotness with the recent releases. Lotsa bandwagoners. If you like the IH for their fluff first, sure go for it.

yep its the fluff for the IH and the fact that Tyranids don't have pesky tanks to paint (I hate them)

Right now though you might be able to get nids cheap on ebay. Once the new codex is out and if people like it the prices will go up.

We could always use more Iron Hands players. The more players we get, the more likely GW is to give more support to the Chapter.

And no one needs more Tyranids players.

 The Deathless Host wrote:
yep its the fluff for the IH and the fact that Tyranids don't have pesky tanks to paint (I hate them)

If you hate painting vehicles, and try to have a completely painted army, you won't be able to avoid them in Space Marines. Whether it's Rhinos, Razorbacks, Predators, Land Raiders, Dreadnoughts, flyers... You'll be painting vehicles.

With Tyranids, their 'vehicles' are just bigger Tyranids. So if you pick a scheme you enjoy painting, painting a Carnifex is no different really to painting a Gaunt. He's just bigger.

 juraigamer wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
IRON HANDS! take them! They are cool. Especially if you get the Clan Raukaan supplement.

Not exactly the best advice. Iron hands seemed to accidentally get the new hotness with the recent releases. Lotsa bandwagoners. If you like the IH for their fluff first, sure go for it.

Well, it was about time the Iron Hands got some love, wasn't it? After years of being neglected and confused with the Iron Warriors.

My opinion is that you should always collect the army you like best fluffwise. Otherwise you will quickly get bored with them.

You should also try to pick models you enjoy painting. And while painting tanks and vehicles is somewhat boring, you can do with relatively few of them.
The thought of having to paint hundreds of gaunts is like a nightmare to me, and the thing that is keeping me from collecting Tyranids.

 Selym wrote:

 Igenstilch wrote:
Space marines will never be a bad army.

That's because:

"Spess and 'Dubs
sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
first comes codex
then comes supplement
then comes stupid amounts of unnecessary updates and models that no xenos army can ever hope to compare to"

Sing it with me!

Ok, but first we have to do patty cake.

If your starting out i sujest iron hands. Xeno books can radicly change betweem editions. SM modles and units never get nerfed as hard. SM the better investment for a main army. Do nids on the side.

 Lockark wrote:
If your starting out i sujest iron hands. Xeno books can radicly change betweem editions. SM modles and units never get nerfed as hard. SM the better investment for a main army. Do nids on the side.

I have been gaming since 2001, I have:

CSM
Necrons
IG



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 The Deathless Host wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
If your starting out i sujest iron hands. Xeno books can radicly change betweem editions. SM modles and units never get nerfed as hard. SM the better investment for a main army. Do nids on the side.

I have been gaming since 2001, I have:

CSM
Necrons
IG

Im not exactly starting out.