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2013/12/21 20:44:54
Subject: Re:Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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Nothing.
Well I guess these are the best Emprah rules ever then.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/21 21:32:14
Subject: Re:Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Please stop bumping rules threads you either started or took over with things like this, it is just annoying to think there has been an actual update to a thread and then find it is actually nothing.
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2013/12/22 20:50:35
Subject: Re:Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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Reduced A to 6.
Made powers synergize perfectly with a mastery of 6.
Added Like Unto a God special rule.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/05 01:23:05
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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How about something that stops him being removed from play or taking more than 1 wound from an attack such as d weapons?
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2013/12/23 01:25:59
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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 Formosa wrote:How about something that stops him being removed from play or taking more than 1 wound from an attack such as d weapons?
I think that might be a little bit much. Maybe just remove the "6" on the S: D table.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/23 01:49:58
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Totally disagree, 1k ish for an infantry model that will be killed straight away by the same pts of a titan in 1/2 shots, perhaps then allow him his inv save against the hit?
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2013/12/23 01:57:13
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Tunneling Trygon
Carrickfergus, Northern Ireland
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What.
I wasn't aware that you were the very first person to think "Hey, I wonder what rules the Emperor would have if he were in the game".
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2013/12/23 03:18:09
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What.
I wasn't aware that you were the very first person to think "Hey, I wonder what rules the Emperor would have if he were in the game".
I was the one who started a whole cadre of Emperor threads 3 months ago which inspired threads in other people.
I'm the godfather of the "modern" dakkadakka Emperor rules thread. They all borrow from my ideas in some way or another. Automatically Appended Next Post: Formosa wrote:Totally disagree, 1k ish for an infantry model that will be killed straight away by the same pts of a titan in 1/2 shots, perhaps then allow him his inv save against the hit?
When you put it like that....
I'll add this:
Immortal: The Emperor does not take multiple wounds from S: D hits, instead only taking one under any circumstances. The Emperor may also attempt to heal two wounds per turn with his IWND.
Well?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/12/23 03:23:49
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/23 04:26:33
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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 ThePrimordial wrote: Frozen Ocean wrote:
What.
I wasn't aware that you were the very first person to think "Hey, I wonder what rules the Emperor would have if he were in the game".
I was the one who started a whole cadre of Emperor threads 3 months ago which inspired threads in other people.
I'm the godfather of the "modern" dakkadakka Emperor rules thread. They all borrow from my ideas in some way or another.
Thats kind of arrogant, don't you think?
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2013/12/23 04:38:37
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote: ThePrimordial wrote: Frozen Ocean wrote:
What.
I wasn't aware that you were the very first person to think "Hey, I wonder what rules the Emperor would have if he were in the game".
I was the one who started a whole cadre of Emperor threads 3 months ago which inspired threads in other people.
I'm the godfather of the "modern" dakkadakka Emperor rules thread. They all borrow from my ideas in some way or another.
Thats kind of arrogant, don't you think?
Who would take it as a compliment?
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/23 09:57:01
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Yeah that seems better, if lorgars kine shield can stop a blastgun shot and magnus can stop a pulsar then the big e can also do it 
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2013/12/23 14:11:21
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Tunneling Trygon
Carrickfergus, Northern Ireland
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You are using extraordinarily pretentious terms (like "godfather") while claiming that your ideas are so original that everyone else must be borrowing from you because they, I don't know, simply could not match your raw individuality and creative power.
Emperor Rules threads have been going on for at least as long as I have been at Dakka. While they certainly often devolve into arguments about the Emperor's invulnerability (the, as the OP put it, "All Tens cliché") and/or begin with it, you are as much a "Godfather" of this discussion as Formosa is the progenitor to everyone who has ever had a Star Trek NG avatar on Dakka (and possibly beyond), and all are obviously copying.
You said it yourself, though. I don't know why you seek to claim these things - and if you don't, then why are you being as dramatic as "It started with me, and it will end with me"/"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end"? Stop it. You're just making yourself look extremely silly.
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2014/01/12 14:18:19
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Frozen Ocean wrote:You are using extraordinarily pretentious terms (like "godfather") while claiming that your ideas are so original that everyone else must be borrowing from you because they, I don't know, simply could not match your raw individuality and creative power.
Emperor Rules threads have been going on for at least as long as I have been at Dakka. While they certainly often devolve into arguments about the Emperor's invulnerability (the, as the OP put it, "All Tens cliché") and/or begin with it, you are as much a "Godfather" of this discussion as Formosa is the progenitor to everyone who has ever had a Star Trek NG avatar on Dakka (and possibly beyond), and all are obviously copying.
You said it yourself, though. I don't know why you seek to claim these things - and if you don't, then why are you being as dramatic as "It started with me, and it will end with me"/"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end"? Stop it. You're just making yourself look extremely silly.
Your god damn right there copying me?!! I'm full of win man, FULL IF WINNNNNNNN!!!!
KKKKKKKKKHHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!
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2014/01/26 23:42:11
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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Frozen Ocean wrote:You are using extraordinarily pretentious terms (like "godfather") while claiming that your ideas are so original that everyone else must be borrowing from you because they, I don't know, simply could not match your raw individuality and creative power.
Emperor Rules threads have been going on for at least as long as I have been at Dakka. While they certainly often devolve into arguments about the Emperor's invulnerability (the, as the OP put it, "All Tens cliché") and/or begin with it, you are as much a "Godfather" of this discussion as Formosa is the progenitor to everyone who has ever had a Star Trek NG avatar on Dakka (and possibly beyond), and all are obviously copying.
You said it yourself, though. I don't know why you seek to claim these things - and if you don't, then why are you being as dramatic as "It started with me, and it will end with me"/"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end"? Stop it. You're just making yourself look extremely silly.
Someone needs to learn to take a joke. I admit I didn't give much away to show I was joking. But If you thought I was serious you must have a rather low opinion of most people.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/04/12 14:43:34
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Tunneling Trygon
Carrickfergus, Northern Ireland
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2013/12/31 03:11:09
Subject: Re:Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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I'm saving this before it dies.
We done here? Does anyone have anything to add?
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/01/01 01:34:56
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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I've posted these before and honestly they are the most toned down I have seen. Despite what people think he utterly tears any character in the game a new one, even Horus and buffed Swarmlord
The Emperor:
Ws-8. 1
BS-7
S-7. 0
T-6
W-6. 3
I-7
A-7 (two hand weapons)
LD-10
Sv-2+ 3++
Equipment: The Eagle Claw, Rune sword, Hauberk of the Imperium, Frag grenades
Rules: Weapons Master (see Horus), Sire of the Space Marines, Psyker Mastery Level 5 (knows all the powers of chosen discipline), Eternal Warrior, Teleportation Matrix (see Horus)
The Eagle Claw: Strength-10 AP-2 Rending
: (bolt weapon) Strength-5 Ap-3 Assault-4
Rune sword: +1 strength as user Ap-2, Shred, Always strikes fist
Hauberk of the Imperium: 2+ armour save, 3+ re-rollable invulnerable save
Sire of the Space marines: All space marines in the Emperors army gain +1 LD, additionally all space marines within 12" of the Emperor may double fire their weapons even if they have moved already.
Additional Psychic powers:
Annihilate: If at any point in the match The Emperor is reduced to his last wound he may automatically make a single attack on the model that did the last wound he suffered (only if in base contact). It hits automatically and wounds on a 3+. No saves of any kind may be taken against this attack and it kills the model instantly. If a vehicle does the wound then it immediately suffers a single penetrating hit with a +1 modifier.
He's the only character in the game I wold ever give ML5. I honestly believe even Magnus will be ML4.
Anyway Forge World have announced they won't be doing Emperor rules.
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2014/01/01 01:19:45
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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BaconUprising wrote:I've posted these before and honestly they are the most toned down I have seen. Despite what people think he utterly tears any character in the game a new one, even Horus and buffed Swarmlord
The Emperor:
Ws-8. 1
BS-7
S-7. 0
T-6
W-6. 3
I-7
A-7 (two hand weapons)
LD-10
Sv-2+ 3++
Equipment: The Eagle Claw, Rune sword, Hauberk of the Imperium, Frag grenades
Rules: Weapons Master (see Horus), Sire of the Space Marines, Psyker Mastery Level 5 (knows all the powers of chosen discipline), Eternal Warrior, Teleportation Matrix (see Horus)
The Eagle Claw: Strength-10 AP-2 Rending
: (bolt weapon) Strength-5 Ap-3 Assault-4
Rune sword: +1 strength as user Ap-2, Shred, Always strikes fist
Hauberk of the Imperium: 2+ armour save, 3+ re-rollable invulnerable save
Sire of the Space marines: All space marines in the Emperors army gain +1 LD, additionally all space marines within 12" of the Emperor may double fire their weapons even if they have moved already.
Additional Psychic powers:
Annihilate: If at any point in the match The Emperor is reduced to his last wound he may automatically make a single attack on the model that did the last wound he suffered (only if in base contact). It hits automatically and wounds on a 3+. No saves of any kind may be taken against this attack and it kills the model instantly. If a vehicle does the wound then it immediately suffers a single penetrating hit with a +1 modifier.
He's the only character in the game I wold ever give ML5. I honestly believe even Magnus will be ML4.
Anyway Forge World have announced they won't be doing Emperor rules.
Your formatting is a mess first off. I cant even find his mastery level.
I really don't think it makes sense for any of his sons to have a single higher statistics. I've made this theme before: "the Primarchs all got something from the Emperor, like Angron's strength, Mortarion's toughness, and Magnus' psychc ability."
Not only this but he seems like he would be the single most stomach churningly underpowered unit ever if he were significantly above Primarch cost. I mean Jesus Christ, the Primarchs have way better army buffs, and survivability.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2014/01/01 01:49:30
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/01/01 01:51:05
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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@The Primordial
Your formatting is a mess first off. I cant even find his mastery level.
I really don't think it makes sense for any of his sons to have a single higher statistics. I've made this theme before: "the Primarchs all got something from the Emperor, like Angron's strength, Mortarion's toughness, and Magnus' psychc ability."
That, my dear primordial is why your Emperor rules sucked...
You can't follow fluff entirely when you make a character. He has to be balanced and so he can't have all the best stats because it isn't.
In some areas his sons bested him. For example Horus was arguably a better tactician than the Emperor in the way he wielded the legions. Angron was better at wholesale slaughter. And if you cared enough Russ was better at eating and drinking.
Secondly the mastery level is displayed in the rules section of the character so I assumed you would have been capable of finding it. In case you weren't I even left it at the bottom of the character but...
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Hang on did you just claim that the primarchs have better survivability? He has a fricking rerollable save? How did you figure that one out?
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2014/01/01 01:57:50
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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Mortarion is immune to poison, Dangerous Terrain, and has T7 and 7 wounds.
Vulkan halves the strength of half the weapons you'll face and also has a 3++ and T7.
Ferrus Manus has the same save and T7.
If I were to follow fluff entirely (or even to a fraction) he would cost 3 times more than an Imperator Titan, and have unthinkable amounts of S: D, with powers allowing him to affect the entire table like when he forced the entire Word Bearers legion to kneel.
Your rules are just Dogsh*t. No if, ands, or buts about it. They're the most extremely bad ones we've seen here on Dakka. Here's a question to show you why.
What's worse?
A couple S: D, and Large Blast powers (which only one can be used per turn) or the ability to have Invisibility, Iron Arm, Warp Speed, Endurance & cast Enfeeble on his opponents, every single turn?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/01/01 02:03:49
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/01/01 02:02:01
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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I won't respond as your comments are silly...
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2014/01/01 02:04:59
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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To any onlookers this is basically going "oh yeah that's right, better not let anyone know I'm wrong".
Take a look at my rules, compare them to yours, and see which have more thought/ which are better.
I honestly want to see you do that. For you convenience: 1st page, 20th or so post.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/01/01 02:15:43
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/01/01 02:09:39
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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No I simply cannot be bothered to write the pages and pages long arguments against the ridiculous points you make. We have literally had theses arguments already in every thread you have eve made. The only person who ever agrees with you is second profiles you create to agree with yourself. Ask these "onlookers" who's rules they prefer. We shall see...
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2014/01/01 02:17:00
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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BaconUprising wrote:No I simply cannot be bothered to write the pages and pages long arguments against the ridiculous points you make. We have literally had theses arguments already in every thread you have eve made. The only person who ever agrees with you is second profiles you create to agree with yourself. Ask these "onlookers" who's rules they prefer. We shall see...
Again I dare you to find flaws in mine as easily as I did yours.
Like Thorian, Brother Haraldus, Void Dragon and on occasion Imotekh?
I must have a lot of fething email addresses.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/01/01 02:18:42
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/01/01 02:23:29
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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ThePrimordial wrote:BaconUprising wrote:No I simply cannot be bothered to write the pages and pages long arguments against the ridiculous points you make. We have literally had theses arguments already in every thread you have eve made. The only person who ever agrees with you is second profiles you create to agree with yourself. Ask these "onlookers" who's rules they prefer. We shall see...
Again I dare you to find flaws in mine as easily as I did yours.
Like Thorian, Brother Haraldus, Void Dragon and on occasion Imotekh?
I must have a lot of fething email addresses.
Need I pick out all of the flaws when you have and 3 consecutive threads closed on your Emperor rules?
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2014/01/01 02:30:32
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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BaconUprising wrote: ThePrimordial wrote:BaconUprising wrote:No I simply cannot be bothered to write the pages and pages long arguments against the ridiculous points you make. We have literally had theses arguments already in every thread you have eve made. The only person who ever agrees with you is second profiles you create to agree with yourself. Ask these "onlookers" who's rules they prefer. We shall see...
Again I dare you to find flaws in mine as easily as I did yours.
Like Thorian, Brother Haraldus, Void Dragon and on occasion Imotekh?
I must have a lot of fething email addresses.
Need I pick out all of the flaws when you have and 3 consecutive threads closed on your Emperor rules?
Didn't I stop that like 3 months ago?
Again let's see you try.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/01/01 02:34:23
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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ThePrimordial wrote:BaconUprising wrote: ThePrimordial wrote:BaconUprising wrote:No I simply cannot be bothered to write the pages and pages long arguments against the ridiculous points you make. We have literally had theses arguments already in every thread you have eve made. The only person who ever agrees with you is second profiles you create to agree with yourself. Ask these "onlookers" who's rules they prefer. We shall see...
Again I dare you to find flaws in mine as easily as I did yours.
Like Thorian, Brother Haraldus, Void Dragon and on occasion Imotekh?
I must have a lot of fething email addresses.
Need I pick out all of the flaws when you have and 3 consecutive threads closed on your Emperor rules?
Didn't I stop that like 3 months ago?
Again let's see you try.
Hang on wait. The fact that you did in the end cease does not discredit the argument. The fact that you did it is my "try" as you put it.
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2014/01/01 02:36:42
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Hey, I know getting threads locked because of an online pissing match is fun, but some people actually want logical emperor rules, and none of your bs is helping. I'll post up up when I get on a laptop.
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2014/01/01 02:37:45
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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BaconUprising wrote: ThePrimordial wrote:BaconUprising wrote: ThePrimordial wrote:BaconUprising wrote:No I simply cannot be bothered to write the pages and pages long arguments against the ridiculous points you make. We have literally had theses arguments already in every thread you have eve made. The only person who ever agrees with you is second profiles you create to agree with yourself. Ask these "onlookers" who's rules they prefer. We shall see...
Again I dare you to find flaws in mine as easily as I did yours.
Like Thorian, Brother Haraldus, Void Dragon and on occasion Imotekh?
I must have a lot of fething email addresses.
Need I pick out all of the flaws when you have and 3 consecutive threads closed on your Emperor rules?
Didn't I stop that like 3 months ago?
Again let's see you try.
Hang on wait. The fact that you did in the end cease does not discredit the argument. The fact that you did it is my "try" as you put it.
The argument is null and void when the last one made before ceasing but decently received. With an increase in quality with each thread.
This one is only better. I stopped giving it Titan firepower or even C'tan firepower. Take that as an incentive.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/01/01 02:37:47
Subject: Serious discussion on Emperor rules
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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If you honestly expect me to go onto your profile and rifle through your threads to find your emperor ones then you can think again. Anybody who has witnessed any of them knows what you are like. I honestly can't be bothered. I can't be asked to waste my time anymore explaining why fluff doesn't = tabletop rules. It's so tiresome. Goodbye primordial. Honestly I thought you had changed a bit but I was clearly wrong. Users like you put me off going on Dakka anymore...
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