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melissa, in a PM said a canoness could beat a primarch 1 on 1

is this true?

Which primarch?

A Canoness, or Celestine the Living Saint?

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
A Canoness, or Celestine the Living Saint?

a canonness

a saint? possibly beat some primarchs, but not the high level ones

Maybe.

But Private Messages are private for a reason.

Depending on the source you're reading, Primarchs have been killed by regular scrubs during a standard boarding action, or captured by Dark Eldar and kept in their fighting arenas for thousands of years.

Others seem to think that one eccentric Necron Lord has one in his collection.

The thing to remember about the Primarchs is that while they are said to have done all these really super-amazing things... those are legends and myths. Stories that have grown in the telling. The reality of their accomplishments, while still amazing, are much more grounded.

 Psienesis wrote:
Maybe.

But Private Messages are private for a reason.

Depending on the source you're reading, Primarchs have been killed by regular scrubs during a standard boarding action, or captured by Dark Eldar and kept in their fighting arenas for thousands of years.

Others seem to think that one eccentric Necron Lord has one in his collection.

The thing to remember about the Primarchs is that while they are said to have done all these really super-amazing things... those are legends and myths. Stories that have grown in the telling. The reality of their accomplishments, while still amazing, are much more grounded.

same can be said about the sisters..... are you actually trying to say a sister can beat a primarch? like horus in 1 on 1 jesus christ

I think a Cannoness would have trouble against a Chapter Master let alone a Primarch

LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else.

you dont understand how much more powerful a primarch is then... primarchs are able to mow down marines, 10s of them 20s of them

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.

Ahh makes much more sense that I agree with

LightKing wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else.

you dont understand how much more powerful a primarch is then... primarchs are able to mow down marines, 10s of them 20s of them

Yes, they are. But Marines are not Meltaguns.

Though perhaps Primarchs are resistant against Meltas, they are pretty darn tough after all, the bigger gun principle works.

Edit: Yes, exactly, you saw what he/she/it/whatever meant.

Well other than say Vulcan but thats a whole another thing now isnt it.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else.

you dont understand how much more powerful a primarch is then... primarchs are able to mow down marines, 10s of them 20s of them

Yes, they are. But Marines are not Meltaguns.

Though perhaps Primarchs are resistant against Meltas, they are pretty darn tough after all, the bigger gun principle works.

Edit: Yes, exactly, you saw what he/she/it/whatever meant.

can someone tell me when primarchs were unable to use meltaguns?

I did not say they were...?

This guy is like on a whole other level of trolling right now

how am i trolling.... some of you are 40k fans and yet are saying sisters are equal to primarchs in combat, i can accept that they are = to some extend with marines, but primarchs come on

I am not even sure if he is joking or not at this point, sorry.

LightKing wrote:
how am i trolling.... some of you are 40k fans

I would assert that all of us are 40k fans.

Being able to shoot someone in the face with a meltagun does not make someone "equal" to another person in combat.

If Bruce Lee and I were going to fight (assuming he was still alive and all that, of course), I am laughably out-classed by Bruce Lee in hand to hand combat.

I do, however, own a shotgun. So I can kill Bruce Lee from 75 yards away without breaking a sweat, because bullets beat kung fu.

Firepower is, as mentioned previously, a great equalizer. I don't need to be faster, stronger, or tougher than you if the weapon I have in my hands can disintegrate you instantly.

LightKing wrote:
some of you are 40k fans and yet are saying sisters are equal to primarchs in combat

Pretty sure it's just you who's said that. Can you quote some of these posts you're referring to?

 Psienesis wrote:
Being able to shoot someone in the face with a meltagun does not make someone "equal" to another person in combat.

If Bruce Lee and I were going to fight (assuming he was still alive and all that, of course), I am laughably out-classed by Bruce Lee in hand to hand combat.

I do, however, own a shotgun. So I can kill Bruce Lee from 75 yards away without breaking a sweat, because bullets beat kung fu.

Firepower is, as mentioned previously, a great equalizer. I don't need to be faster, stronger, or tougher than you if the weapon I have in my hands can disintegrate you instantly.

i meant close combat..... you think a battle sister could beat angron in close combat

using the "firepower=great equalizer" is a pathetic excuse...... primarchs can use the same weapons if want


the fact is in close combat, H2H, melee a primarch destroys a sister

Right, because when I said "a meltagun to the face is a very common weakness", I was talking about hitting the person with the meltagun, not firing it while pointing the business end at their face.

Canoness vs Be'lakor and....................GO!

 Melissia wrote:
Right, because when I said "a meltagun to the face is a very common weakness", I was talking about hitting the person with the meltagun, not firing it while pointing the business end at their face.

even with a meltagun...... a sister/meltagun vs.a primarch/meltagun... would still be in the advantage of primarchs

primarchs are have superior strength, speed, reflexes,etc.....

LightKing wrote:
even with a meltagun...... a sister/meltagun vs.a primarch/meltagun... would still be in the advantage of primarchs

Not enough of one to make it a sure thing either way.

LightKing wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Being able to shoot someone in the face with a meltagun does not make someone "equal" to another person in combat.

If Bruce Lee and I were going to fight (assuming he was still alive and all that, of course), I am laughably out-classed by Bruce Lee in hand to hand combat.

I do, however, own a shotgun. So I can kill Bruce Lee from 75 yards away without breaking a sweat, because bullets beat kung fu.

Firepower is, as mentioned previously, a great equalizer. I don't need to be faster, stronger, or tougher than you if the weapon I have in my hands can disintegrate you instantly.

i meant close combat..... you think a battle sister could beat angron in close combat

using the "firepower=great equalizer" is a pathetic excuse...... primarchs can use the same weapons if want


the fact is in close combat, H2H, melee a primarch destroys a sister

Well of course a Primarch wins in close combat, no one said otherwise. What we are saying is that anyone who is lucky enough to stick a melta gun down anyones throat and pull the trigger, that bugger is dead, Primarch or not. If someone gets a direct hit with a thunder hammer onto an unserspecting primarch he is down for the count, but probably not dead. Primarchs aren't invincible, if one is on planet when it blows up he is dead, if he gets an alpha plus level psyker angry he is dead, if he takes a power klaw repeatedly to the head he is dead. Live with it

 Melissia wrote:

LightKing wrote:
how am i trolling.... some of you are 40k fans

I would assert that all of us are 40k fans.

I dunno, yesterday I was accused of being a blind fanboy who didn't understand the setting because I dared compare crappy Black Library books to crappy Star Wars books.

I think that Sister = Primarch in a BATTLE. As in, give both equipment, (including guns), GO!

I think a Primarch would probably beat a sister to a pulp in hand-to-hand...
....which is exactly why guns were invented.

This thread is like saying "MY FRIEND SAID PEOPLE WERE EQUAL TO LIONS!"
"Well, we do use GUNS. And have civilization."
"YEAH but a LION could pulp us in Close Combat!"
"Well, that's a given, but seriously, check your temperature - you're overheating."

 Melissia wrote:
Right, because when I said "a meltagun to the face is a very common weakness", I was talking about hitting the person with the meltagun, not firing it while pointing the business end at their face.

I second this.

In fact.... let us double-facepalm.

so in terms primarchs=marines=sisters.... when weapons are involved