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2013/12/21 01:01:10
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
LightKing wrote: most 40k fans would agree that a primarch destroys a sister, yet people like you and da001 say a sister would destroy a primarch
when YOU should know their power levels.....
Sorry, I am going to quote again my conversation with LightKing on this matter. It is from the other thread. Sorry, cannot help it.
Magnus would still beat a sister 1 on 1 in combat because, well he's a primarch and vastly stronger then her
No way! Seriously?? LOL A mere primarch defeating a Sister of Battle in close combat!?! Preposterous! I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch??
No way a sissy like Magnus could take on a Sister of Battle 1 on 1. At least not in close combat.
No. Way.
You think THAT'S bad? Can you imagine what would happen if Magnus fought a grot? Poor guy would just get curb stomped.
lol are you guys serious? Magnus would destroy a sister
Oh come on. Of course I am super serious. Sisters are trained since birth, have Power Armour and Bolters, and they specialize in killing psykers.
And what is Magnus? A [/b]psyker[b]. No. Chance. He will never make it into close combat. And even if he manages to get there... then what? Try to get through her Power Armour? Hilarious.
Against a grot it would be a similar situation. While Magnus has psy-powers and stuff like that, the sneaky abilities of the grot will allow it to get into close combat... and then it is game over for Magnus totally. And even if he manages to detect the grot, its sheer will-power will protect him against everything a primarch can use.
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And Sister Macarena killed every single member of the Maximus Pious Chapter of the Space Marines (1000 Astartes in full gear) armed only with a wooden spear, and then used a Warhound Titan to seriously wound a grot. Sure the grot eventually dismembered her, but she wounded it.
She didn't even pilot the Warhound. She just picked up and dropped it on the grot. Like a titan sized nuke.
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2013/12/21 01:01:32
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
LightKing wrote: most 40k fans would agree that a primarch destroys a sister, yet people like you and da001 say a sister would destroy a primarch
when YOU should know their power levels.....
Sorry, I am going to quote again my conversation with LightKing on this matter. It is from the other thread. Sorry, cannot help it.
Magnus would still beat a sister 1 on 1 in combat because, well he's a primarch and vastly stronger then her
No way! Seriously?? LOL A mere primarch defeating a Sister of Battle in close combat!?! Preposterous! I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch??
No way a sissy like Magnus could take on a Sister of Battle 1 on 1. At least not in close combat.
No. Way.
You think THAT'S bad? Can you imagine what would happen if Magnus fought a grot? Poor guy would just get curb stomped.
lol are you guys serious? Magnus would destroy a sister
Oh come on. Of course I am super serious. Sisters are trained since birth, have Power Armour and Bolters, and they specialize in killing psykers.
And what is Magnus? A [/b]psyker[b]. No. Chance. He will never make it into close combat. And even if he manages to get there... then what? Try to get through her Power Armour? Hilarious.
Against a grot it would be a similar situation. While Magnus has psy-powers and stuff like that, the sneaky abilities of the grot will allow it to get into close combat... and then it is game over for Magnus totally. And even if he manages to detect the grot, its sheer will-power will protect him against everything a primarch can use.
Guilliaman tanked a shot from a starship and surived floating in space without a helmet
And Sister Macarena killed every single member of the Maximus Pious Chapter of the Space Marines (1000 Astartes in full gear) armed only with a wooden spear, and then used a Warhound Titan to seriously wound a grot. Sure the grot eventually dismembered her, but she wounded it.
She didn't even pilot the Warhound. She just picked up and dropped it on the grot. Like a titan sized nuke.
so you claim those primarch miraculous feets are false, so i can claim the feats of humans beating primarchs as false
this argument will never cease
2013/12/21 01:02:31
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
LightKing wrote: most 40k fans would agree that a primarch destroys a sister, yet people like you and da001 say a sister would destroy a primarch
when YOU should know their power levels.....
Sorry, I am going to quote again my conversation with LightKing on this matter. It is from the other thread. Sorry, cannot help it.
Magnus would still beat a sister 1 on 1 in combat because, well he's a primarch and vastly stronger then her
No way! Seriously?? LOL A mere primarch defeating a Sister of Battle in close combat!?! Preposterous! I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch??
No way a sissy like Magnus could take on a Sister of Battle 1 on 1. At least not in close combat.
No. Way.
You think THAT'S bad? Can you imagine what would happen if Magnus fought a grot? Poor guy would just get curb stomped.
lol are you guys serious? Magnus would destroy a sister
Oh come on. Of course I am super serious. Sisters are trained since birth, have Power Armour and Bolters, and they specialize in killing psykers.
And what is Magnus? A [/b]psyker[b]. No. Chance. He will never make it into close combat. And even if he manages to get there... then what? Try to get through her Power Armour? Hilarious.
Against a grot it would be a similar situation. While Magnus has psy-powers and stuff like that, the sneaky abilities of the grot will allow it to get into close combat... and then it is game over for Magnus totally. And even if he manages to detect the grot, its sheer will-power will protect him against everything a primarch can use.
Guilliaman tanked a shot from a starship and surived floating in space without a helmet
And Sister Macarena killed every single member of the Maximus Pious Chapter of the Space Marines (1000 Astartes in full gear) armed only with a wooden spear, and then used a Warhound Titan to seriously wound a grot. Sure the grot eventually dismembered her, but she wounded it.
She didn't even pilot the Warhound. She just picked up and dropped it on the grot. Like a titan sized nuke.
I love how the last line is always my quip about the Titan - nuke
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2013/12/21 01:02:56
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
Surely you jest. A battle sister, in no circumstances is equal to a primarch. A battle sister would be ripped in thirds by a naked primarch before she could pull the trigger. Even if the primarch was hit, he might get slightly singed.
Wait... why is he naked?
It was to illustrate just how little a primarch would need to remove a battle sister.
I am not sure you have read the previous pages of this thread, let alone its predecessor: "so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine ", by the same author. Both put together have over 23 pages of insanity and occasional interesting stuff.
Anyway, someone pointed out that we have some examples of humans or Astartes killing, wounding, defeating or nearly killing Primarchs. Luther and Kor Phaeron are humans and defeated Primarch, Eugen Temba nearly killed Horus, someone driving a Warhound against Lorgar, Guilliman nearly getting defeated by a squad of marines, Fulgrim wounded by a sniper, a Vindicare (a human sniper) sent to kill Horus, assassins sent to kill Curze by people who know a lot about what Primarchs can do,.... the list is long.
Then someone said that this could apply to Sisters of Battle (which are humans) and things went wild. Accusations of sexism and stuff.
Asking your post in a serious matter, nobody has claimed that a Canoness is stronger than a Primarch save the author of the thread, who is a troll or something really close.
From the first page alone. Even saying they are remotely equal is grievously inaccurate.
I think that Sister = Primarch in a BATTLE. As in, give both equipment, (including guns), GO!
I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.
Nevertheless, primarch stories vary immensely so getting an accurate gage is difficult.
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2013/12/21 01:05:46
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
Frozen Ocean wrote: The fact that you "feel" this when nobody has stated it is worrying.
An Eldar Banshee can kill a Space Marine. A Space Marine can kill a female Guardsman. There is no gender A > gender B.
i understand that, but when it comes to Primarchs, they are vastly superior to any human man or woman....
Nobody has said otherwise. This entire thread has mostly been people saying exactly this, with you mostly ignoring it. As Melissia said in the second post, technology is a great equaliser. So an unarmed Space Marine vs a Tau; except the Tau is in a Riptide. Does this mean that all Tau can beat Space Marines effortlessly in close combat? No.
Frozen Ocean wrote: The fact that you "feel" this when nobody has stated it is worrying.
An Eldar Banshee can kill a Space Marine. A Space Marine can kill a female Guardsman. There is no gender A > gender B.
i understand that, but when it comes to Primarchs, they are vastly superior to any human man or woman....
Nobody has said otherwise. This entire thread has mostly been people saying exactly this, with you mostly ignoring it. As Melissia said in the second post, technology is a great equaliser. So an unarmed Space Marine vs a Tau; except the Tau is in a Riptide. Does this mean that all Tau can beat Space Marines effortlessly in close combat? No.
but when i proposed this thread, i meant close combat h2h/melee............ i reinforced that a few times in my 2 threads.....
and the technology argument is a good one, still a primarch would still have distinictive advantages of speed, strength, reflexes...... in a gun fight
2013/12/21 01:07:21
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
Frozen Ocean wrote: The fact that you "feel" this when nobody has stated it is worrying.
An Eldar Banshee can kill a Space Marine. A Space Marine can kill a female Guardsman. There is no gender A > gender B.
i understand that, but when it comes to Primarchs, they are vastly superior to any human man or woman....
Nobody has said otherwise. This entire thread has mostly been people saying exactly this, with you mostly ignoring it. As Melissia said in the second post, technology is a great equaliser. So an unarmed Space Marine vs a Tau; except the Tau is in a Riptide. Does this mean that all Tau can beat Space Marines effortlessly in close combat? No.
but when i proposed this thread, i meant close combat h2h/melee............ i reinforced that a few times in my 2 threads.....
and the technology argument is a good one, still a primarch would still have distinictive advantages of speed, strength, reflexes...... in a gun fight
Which is why this thread is disingenuous. Because when Melissia sent you the PM that triggered this thread, she was not talking about close combat h2h/melee.
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2013/12/21 01:10:11
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
Frozen Ocean wrote: The fact that you "feel" this when nobody has stated it is worrying.
An Eldar Banshee can kill a Space Marine. A Space Marine can kill a female Guardsman. There is no gender A > gender B.
i understand that, but when it comes to Primarchs, they are vastly superior to any human man or woman....
Nobody has said otherwise. This entire thread has mostly been people saying exactly this, with you mostly ignoring it. As Melissia said in the second post, technology is a great equaliser. So an unarmed Space Marine vs a Tau; except the Tau is in a Riptide. Does this mean that all Tau can beat Space Marines effortlessly in close combat? No.
but when i proposed this thread, i meant close combat h2h/melee............ i reinforced that a few times in my 2 threads.....
and the technology argument is a good one, still a primarch would still have distinictive advantages of speed, strength, reflexes...... in a gun fight
Which is why this thread is disingenuous. Because when Melissia sent you the PM that triggered this thread, she was not talking about close combat h2h/melee.
then it was miscommunication then...i apologize on my behalve
2013/12/21 01:12:02
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
LightKing wrote: does anyone think Frozen Ocean says these things, because he hates the primarchs because they are all male...... but if they were all female, he would be singing a different tone
its hard for him to accept that the primarchs could beat the battle sisters cause it goes against his PC ideology
It is the opposite of PC to support one gender against another.
But yes, IMO a primarch could crush a sister as an afterthought.
If Vulkan (who is immortal and will just return anyway) survived a teraton (multi) hit he could do a pelvic thrust 30 yards away from a sister and rip her to shreds with the shockeave created.
So I shouldn't invite Vulkan to the party at Slaanesh' palace? Good to know.
And again, meltagun's aren't going to do anything to a Primarch. Plasma cannons from a Titan are OOM stronger last I checked.
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2013/12/21 01:12:44
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
Frozen Ocean wrote: The fact that you "feel" this when nobody has stated it is worrying.
An Eldar Banshee can kill a Space Marine. A Space Marine can kill a female Guardsman. There is no gender A > gender B.
i understand that, but when it comes to Primarchs, they are vastly superior to any human man or woman....
Nobody has said otherwise. This entire thread has mostly been people saying exactly this, with you mostly ignoring it. As Melissia said in the second post, technology is a great equaliser. So an unarmed Space Marine vs a Tau; except the Tau is in a Riptide. Does this mean that all Tau can beat Space Marines effortlessly in close combat? No.
I can only assume he's trolling at this point.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/21 01:15:22
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
Which is why this thread is disingenuous. Because when Melissia sent you the PM that triggered this thread, she was not talking about close combat h2h/melee.
Frozen Ocean wrote: The fact that you "feel" this when nobody has stated it is worrying.
An Eldar Banshee can kill a Space Marine. A Space Marine can kill a female Guardsman. There is no gender A > gender B.
i understand that, but when it comes to Primarchs, they are vastly superior to any human man or woman....
Nobody has said otherwise. This entire thread has mostly been people saying exactly this, with you mostly ignoring it. As Melissia said in the second post, technology is a great equaliser. So an unarmed Space Marine vs a Tau; except the Tau is in a Riptide. Does this mean that all Tau can beat Space Marines effortlessly in close combat? No.
I can only assume he's trolling at this point.
what, i actually was on your side, and you call me troll...even though i apologize.... and even then people are still attacking me
2013/12/21 01:18:47
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
I think everyone who simply watched from the sidelines went up a tier in the cool scale.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/21 01:20:11
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
We should ask Forge World to give us a free Warhound and for them to make a Canoness model that is nice, and then we could make it happen. I think they'd do it. For science?
Least I introduced the concept of a Titan-Nuke. Did I mention it's being pile-drived into it's target?
You went up by half a tier for that in my scale.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/21 01:41:11
Subject: so a canoness is stronger then a primarch
Least I introduced the concept of a Titan-Nuke. Did I mention it's being pile-drived into it's target?
You went up by half a tier for that in my scale.
The titan nuke is pretty awesome, I have to admit.
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