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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Man this thread, what did I just read?

An argument, I've since defaulted to simply commentating on.
The arguing isn't any more serious than the normal arguing on the background section.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

LightKing wrote:
does anyone think Frozen Ocean says these things, because he hates the primarchs because they are all male...... but if they were all female, he would be singing a different tone

its hard for him to accept that the primarchs could beat the battle sisters cause it goes against his PC ideology

It is the opposite of PC to support one gender against another.

But yes, IMO a primarch could crush a sister as an afterthought.

no, what i mean by PC is the image....... since the Primarchs are all male....and the battle sisters are female.....it doesn't seem right that a primarch could beat a battle sister.. because it reinforces man vs. woman

what im trying to get is..that alot of people on this forum have trouble accepting Primarch>>>Battle Sister, but could accept Primarch>>>Marine....even if Sister=Marine

because Primarch vs. Marine is Man vs. Man...so its not as bad

@The misoginy thing: No. Women are generally worse at combat, that much is true (I should know, I am female myself and I train in martial arts) but this is mostly due to usually having less muscle mass and other things like that. At the power differences we are talking about here, a Marine would die to a Primarch just as easily as a Sister or a Guardsman would.

Wait... what? Lightking, no one here has said a Primarch is not better than a Adeptus Sororitas except for you.

Lucarikx

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
@The misoginy thing: No. Women are generally worse at combat, that much is true (I should know, I am female myself and I train in martial arts) but this is mostly due to usually having less muscle mass and other things like that. At the power differences we are talking about here, a Marine would die to a Primarch just as easily as a Sister or a Guardsman would.

women tend to be more technical/skilled fighters then men, but often like you said, that can't make up for strength differences

Primarchs have helmets for a reason...

I think standard weaponry like melta guns could still kill a Primarch, but it would probably take several shots, depending on how powerful the weapon is. And of course, if you're lucky enough to get a first shot on a Primarch, you'll be astronomically lucky to get a second.

The first shot would likely scorch and blister the face. The second shot would burn and char the skin down to the bone. The third shot would damage the skull. And the fourth shot and so on would be the point at which potentially fatal brain damage would be caused.

Primarchs are described in the fluff as extremely hard to kill.

Lorgar is stabbed in the gut by Corax's lightning claw but barely registers it (he headbuts Corax a few times and breaks his nose), until Corax starts heaving up and mauling Lorgar's internal organs. (First Heretic).

Corax grabs a fistful of frag grenades, thrusts them inside a tank and detonates them in his hand - the explosion just numbs his hand. (Raven's Flight).

 Lucarikx wrote:
Wait... what? Lightking, no one here has said a Primarch is not better than a Adeptus Sororitas except for you.

Lucarikx

Frozen Ocean pretty much implied that i was a sexist? so yes im defending myself

LightKing wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
@The misoginy thing: No. Women are generally worse at combat, that much is true (I should know, I am female myself and I train in martial arts) but this is mostly due to usually having less muscle mass and other things like that. At the power differences we are talking about here, a Marine would die to a Primarch just as easily as a Sister or a Guardsman would.

women tend to be more technical/skilled fighters then men, but often like you said, that can't make up for strength differences

I have never heard anywhere that women are supposed to be more technical/skilled.

I assume the average military trained man and woman are equally skilled.

A Primarch could easily beat a marine. They could also easily beat a sister. They could also defeat a Chapter Master and they can defeat Canonesses. They can do this because they are they are the apex of the Imperial war machine.

Well, at least they were.

LightKing wrote:
and now da001 is saying a human could beat a primarch... i mean come on,... its such a freaking politically correct stance to take.....
(...)
cause your trying to be so politically correct da001...saying a human is more powerful then a primarch....i notice that many fiction fans argue in political correct terms, and view various fictions through a PC or "progressive lens"

because the primarchs are male, and the battle sisters are female...to say the primarchs could beat them (even because they could) but since the primarchs are men, it doesn't seem right......

you want evidence of my theory= Frozen Ocean

Hey! Hi again! Wow that´s your biggest post to date. Welcome back to SUPA SRS BIZNIZ.

Actually, I have been defending the "human vs Primarchs" thing for about 10 pages, in two different threads. It has been a long and bloody path to get to this point. Do not hesitate in opening a new thread if you think you need it!

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Surely you jest. A battle sister, in no circumstances is equal to a primarch. A battle sister would be ripped in thirds by a naked primarch before she could pull the trigger. Even if the primarch was hit, he might get slightly singed.

Wait... why is he naked?

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What about the grot who began the 14th and final Black Crusade? You see, there was an Imperial warship about to enact a bold plan; fire an incredibly large barrage of Vortex Missiles into the Eye of Terror, and hope it goes away.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the galaxy, a grot is fired through a SAG and ends up on this ship. Wandering for a while, this grot finds some buttons, which it promptly pushes.

Vortex missiles consume Cadia, and the Eye of Terror swells to consume the entire galaxy. Rocks fall, everyone dies.

EDIT: But wait! The Primarchs all wake up (they can't actually die, they just felt like taking a nap) and kick all the daemons and Chaos Gods out of the galaxy, where they get eaten by Tyranids/the Reapers from Mass Effect. Then they flew around space with their Superman flight (they all have wings like Sanguinius but they're invisible) and use SCIENCE to resurrect the humans and Necrontyr and Eldar and C'tan and Orks, except they're all friends now. In the bright light of the 42nd Millennium, there is only peace and love and the awkward life of Ferrus Manus, who is still just a head (but alive, because he doesn't require organs to function).

With your permission, I would like to adapt this brilliant fluff to incorporate it to Sister Macarena´s fluff, if her parents allow me.

Perhaps she resurrects after the grot incident and then turns Slaanesh (of course) and kills all these Primarchs, in retaliation for one of them killing his boyfriend An'ggrath (you know, the one who was always an´ggryth).

Right I get the PC comment about gender... But how the hell can you claim somebody is being politically correct because they claim a man can kill a Primarch??? Primarchs aren't real! That's like claiming that somebody who says a goblin from a Tolkein novel doesn't have bad manners, is just being overly politically correct. No they aren't. Guess why? Goblins aren't real! Do you really understand the definition of political correctness? It means the adjustment of views or language to avoid offense to others. Well you can't offend a primarch... because they don't really exist!

 da001 wrote:

LightKing wrote:
and now da001 is saying a human could beat a primarch... i mean come on,... its such a freaking politically correct stance to take.....
(...)
cause your trying to be so politically correct da001...saying a human is more powerful then a primarch....i notice that many fiction fans argue in political correct terms, and view various fictions through a PC or "progressive lens"

because the primarchs are male, and the battle sisters are female...to say the primarchs could beat them (even because they could) but since the primarchs are men, it doesn't seem right......

you want evidence of my theory= Frozen Ocean

Hey! Hi again! Wow that´s your biggest post to date. Welcome back to SUPA SRS BIZNIZ.

Actually, I have been defending the "human vs Primarchs" thing for about 10 pages, in two different threads. It has been a long and bloody path to get to this point. Do not hesitate in opening a new thread if you think you need it!

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Surely you jest. A battle sister, in no circumstances is equal to a primarch. A battle sister would be ripped in thirds by a naked primarch before she could pull the trigger. Even if the primarch was hit, he might get slightly singed.

Wait... why is he naked?

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What about the grot who began the 14th and final Black Crusade? You see, there was an Imperial warship about to enact a bold plan; fire an incredibly large barrage of Vortex Missiles into the Eye of Terror, and hope it goes away.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the galaxy, a grot is fired through a SAG and ends up on this ship. Wandering for a while, this grot finds some buttons, which it promptly pushes.

Vortex missiles consume Cadia, and the Eye of Terror swells to consume the entire galaxy. Rocks fall, everyone dies.

EDIT: But wait! The Primarchs all wake up (they can't actually die, they just felt like taking a nap) and kick all the daemons and Chaos Gods out of the galaxy, where they get eaten by Tyranids/the Reapers from Mass Effect. Then they flew around space with their Superman flight (they all have wings like Sanguinius but they're invisible) and use SCIENCE to resurrect the humans and Necrontyr and Eldar and C'tan and Orks, except they're all friends now. In the bright light of the 42nd Millennium, there is only peace and love and the awkward life of Ferrus Manus, who is still just a head (but alive, because he doesn't require organs to function).

With your permission, I would like to adapt this brilliant fluff to incorporate it to Sister Macarena´s fluff, if her parents allow me.

Perhaps she resurrects after the grot incident and then turns Slaanesh (of course) and kills all these Primarchs, in retaliation for one of them killing his boyfriend An'ggrath (you know, the one who was always an´ggryth).

but...they wouldn't a human could not beat a primarch, its simple as that, what are you defending?

 da001 wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Surely you jest. A battle sister, in no circumstances is equal to a primarch. A battle sister would be ripped in thirds by a naked primarch before she could pull the trigger. Even if the primarch was hit, he might get slightly singed.

Wait... why is he naked?

It was to illustrate just how little a primarch would need to remove a battle sister.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Right I get the PC comment about gender... But how the hell can you claim somebody is being politically correct because they claim a man can kill a Primarch??? Primarchs aren't real! That's like claiming that somebody who says a goblin from a Tolkein novel doesn't have bad manners, is just being overly politically correct. No they aren't. Guess why? Goblins aren't real! Do you really understand the definition of political correctness? It means the adjustment of views or language to avoid offense to others. Well you can't offend a primarch... because they don't really exist!

what im trying to say is, in real world terms how we look at things, can reflect how we view certain fiction...... i seen this in alot of versus threads when its a male character vs. female character, and the male character should win, by logic....but usually their is insane defences and justifications.....

its more of a mentality thing

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

LightKing wrote:
does anyone think Frozen Ocean says these things, because he hates the primarchs because they are all male...... but if they were all female, he would be singing a different tone

its hard for him to accept that the primarchs could beat the battle sisters cause it goes against his PC ideology

It is the opposite of PC to support one gender against another.

But yes, IMO a primarch could crush a sister as an afterthought.

If Vulkan (who is immortal and will just return anyway) survived a teraton (multi) hit he could do a pelvic thrust 30 yards away from a sister and rip her to shreds with the shockeave created.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

LightKing wrote:
does anyone think Frozen Ocean says these things, because he hates the primarchs because they are all male...... but if they were all female, he would be singing a different tone

its hard for him to accept that the primarchs could beat the battle sisters cause it goes against his PC ideology

It is the opposite of PC to support one gender against another.

But yes, IMO a primarch could crush a sister as an afterthought.

If Vulkan (who is immortal and will just return anyway) survived a teraton (multi) hit he could do a pelvic thrust 30 yards away from a sister and rip her to shreds with the shockeave created.

Indubitably

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

LightKing wrote:
does anyone think Frozen Ocean says these things, because he hates the primarchs because they are all male...... but if they were all female, he would be singing a different tone

its hard for him to accept that the primarchs could beat the battle sisters cause it goes against his PC ideology

It is the opposite of PC to support one gender against another.

But yes, IMO a primarch could crush a sister as an afterthought.

If Vulkan (who is immortal and will just return anyway) survived a teraton (multi) hit he could do a pelvic thrust 30 yards away from a sister and rip her to shreds with the shockeave created.

Lol'd. Exalted.

LightKing wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
Right I get the PC comment about gender... But how the hell can you claim somebody is being politically correct because they claim a man can kill a Primarch??? Primarchs aren't real! That's like claiming that somebody who says a goblin from a Tolkein novel doesn't have bad manners, is just being overly politically correct. No they aren't. Guess why? Goblins aren't real! Do you really understand the definition of political correctness? It means the adjustment of views or language to avoid offense to others. Well you can't offend a primarch... because they don't really exist!

what im trying to say is, in real world terms how we look at things, can reflect how we view certain fiction...... i seen this in alot of versus threads when its a male character vs. female character, and the male character should win, by logic....but usually their is insane defences and justifications.....

its more of a mentality thing

Yeh - I totally get what you mean with the political correctness involving gender. Might not necessarily agree that that's why the other posters say what they are saying. But I have seen such political correctness applied which has created a sort of inversed prejudice before (aka positive discrimination).
However, I am at a loss to see how you can apply the political correctness term when talking about a human beating a primarch. One is real, one is not. There is no political correctness issue. A person saying a human is more intelligent than an elder for example, isn't being politically correct for the sake of the human, because the term political correctness cannot apply, as the elder are not real.

LightKing wrote:i like how people are trying to question what my motives are....lol

"he's sexist cause he always pits woman against men, primarchs".... no im not.... i have always said no one man and woman could take on a primarch unless with a special weapon/chaos amped or a very special curcumstance


in fact...i can say the same argument that some of you are to PC (politically correct) that its hard for you to admit that a man could beat a woman, in this case a primarch could beat a woman/battle sister.... so you wont admit it on the internet and try to come up with insane circumstances......... why it isn't true


Automatically Appended Next Post:
and now da001 is saying a human could beat a primarch... i mean come on,... its such a freaking politically correct stance to take.....

Yes, the Politically Correct Meltagun To The Face. I know it well.

da001 wrote:Stop feeding your sister with that nonsense!! Sister Macarena was not a Canoness when she dropped the Titan on the grot. She was 18!

Obviously she was already a Canoness at age 18, because although all Sisters can bench-press Titans, she demonstrated her skill at Titan-tossing by reaching through the fourth wall, grabbing the Escalation rulebook, and beating a Revenant Titan to death with it.

da001 wrote:
Did your sister sent you this through an Astropath? The style is similar.

AIM! Or Astropathic Imperial Messaging.

da001 wrote:
Anyway, that´s a good catch. I would never have spotted without her help that the title had a hidden message.
"So a Canoness is stronger
THEN (suddenly) a wild Primarch!"
Another enigma to resolve. Whay was the Primarch there? To find out why the Canoness is stronger, obviouly. But, how did he know?!??

His mystical amazing godpowers he has because he's a Primarch, of course.

LightKing wrote:cause your trying to be so politically correct da001...saying a human is more powerful then a primarch....i notice that many fiction fans argue in political correct terms, and view various fictions through a PC or "progressive lens"

because the primarchs are male, and the battle sisters are female...to say the primarchs could beat them (even because they could) but since the primarchs are men, it doesn't seem right......


you want evidence of my theory= Frozen Ocean

LightKing wrote:
Subject: hey

like how you are trying to question what my motives are....lol

"he's sexist cause he always pits woman against men, primarchs".... no im not.... i have always said no one man and woman could take on a primarch unless with a special weapon/chaos amped or a very special curcumstance

in fact...i can say the same argument that some of you are to PC (politically correct) that its hard for you to admit that a man could beat a woman, in this case a primarch could beat a woman/battle sister.... so you wont admit it on the internet and try to come up with insane circumstances......... why it isn't true

but you dont know alot about 40k if you think a human (man or woman) could beat a primarch

LightKing, I have been participating in this thread for quite a few posts now. Why did you PM this to me?

I was merely pointing out a trend. It seems to be "Sister of Battle" repeatedly from you, and being quite a bit overzealous about the whole thing (PMing several people about it, for a start). If you'd actually read anyone's posts, you would realise that it isn't the issue (you're the one who brought up Sisters, specifically, more than once). I don't care if it's a Canoness, Chapter Master, Space Marine Scout, Chaos Chosen, Raptor, Guardsman, Guardswoman, male Ogryn, female Ogryn, Baneblade driver, Ork, Necron, male Fire Warrior, female Fire Warrior, Tyranid, male Princeps, female Princeps, male Aspect Warrior, female Aspect Warrior - if they have a gun capable of vaporising all but specially-designed armour, they are capable of killing a Primarch by shooting them with said gun.

You are the only one to (repeatedly) bring up whether or not a Canoness (or any form of Sister) could kill a Primarch in melee. Given how you point blank ignore many of the things said in replies and simply pick up on the word "Primarch" or "Sister", and then respond with "Sisters can't be Primarchs in hand to hand" or something to that effect, it was very suspicious. You don't argue "Primarchs are too tough for meltas to kill", you argue "There's no way a Sister could kill a Primarch!". Repeatedly. Now you're arguing "political correctness" as if this is some kind of trump card that negates all points made against you. See my post about why the Callidus story is bad. I mentioned how it would have been different had the assassin been an Eversor (because they are usually male, unlike Callidus); even though this hypothetical Eversor still died, it was a better representation of skill rather than "Konrad let her do it and then she got mutilated horribly by Soul Drinker or whatever". It's still an underwhelming story if the assassin was male, while the Eversor version would be much more interesting regardless of the assassin's gender. It's just unfortunate - not because died, but because it's so rare for female characters to get a chance to do anything meaningful in 40k, and once again, a Callidus gets randomly murdered and mutilated (specifically mutilated, much like how the other one got "flayed alive") after helping a man commit suicide.

What really seems to rile you - based entirely upon this thread and the PMs mentioned within it - is the concept of a Sister of Battle defeating a Primarch. You say this several times. Not "mortal", not "human", not even just "Non-Primarch" or "meltagun" - you very specifically mention Sisters over and over again. So no, it's not me being overly PC. If you would like to avoid people getting this impression, perhaps you shouldn't specifically target women with your argument.

EDIT: Wooooah, so much thread happened.

da001: You have my full permission!

LightKing: As others have said (and I), you bring up "Sister". I am not disputing that a Sister of Battle or anything less than a Bio-Titan/Titan/Primarch/Greater Daemon could reasonably fight a Primarch in close combat. This isn't about Primarch vs Sister, it's about Primarch vs melta shot to the face. Is a melta shot female? Am I discriminating against men because obviously melta beams, being female, automatically win? No. I'm saying that someone's face, no matter how super-enhanced they are, will melt when shot with a weapon that reduces tanks to slag.

A one teraton hit would have an effect radius of 20% of the planet.
The KT impact was at most only 10 teratons.
I mean daaaaayyyyyuuuummm.
For those who want to do the calcs a shell from a macro cannon is 1000 tons and moves at 3000000 m/s or 1% the speed of light and KE= 1/2 mass*velocity (squared)E

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

LightKing wrote:i like how people are trying to question what my motives are....lol

"he's sexist cause he always pits woman against men, primarchs".... no im not.... i have always said no one man and woman could take on a primarch unless with a special weapon/chaos amped or a very special curcumstance


in fact...i can say the same argument that some of you are to PC (politically correct) that its hard for you to admit that a man could beat a woman, in this case a primarch could beat a woman/battle sister.... so you wont admit it on the internet and try to come up with insane circumstances......... why it isn't true


Automatically Appended Next Post:
and now da001 is saying a human could beat a primarch... i mean come on,... its such a freaking politically correct stance to take.....

Yes, the Politically Correct Meltagun To The Face. I know it well.

da001 wrote:Stop feeding your sister with that nonsense!! Sister Macarena was not a Canoness when she dropped the Titan on the grot. She was 18!

Obviously she was already a Canoness at age 18, because although all Sisters can bench-press Titans, she demonstrated her skill at Titan-tossing by reaching through the fourth wall, grabbing the Escalation rulebook, and beating a Revenant Titan to death with it.

da001 wrote:
Did your sister sent you this through an Astropath? The style is similar.

AIM! Or Astropathic Imperial Messaging.

da001 wrote:
Anyway, that´s a good catch. I would never have spotted without her help that the title had a hidden message.
"So a Canoness is stronger
THEN (suddenly) a wild Primarch!"
Another enigma to resolve. Whay was the Primarch there? To find out why the Canoness is stronger, obviouly. But, how did he know?!??

His mystical amazing godpowers he has because he's a Primarch, of course.

LightKing wrote:cause your trying to be so politically correct da001...saying a human is more powerful then a primarch....i notice that many fiction fans argue in political correct terms, and view various fictions through a PC or "progressive lens"

because the primarchs are male, and the battle sisters are female...to say the primarchs could beat them (even because they could) but since the primarchs are men, it doesn't seem right......


you want evidence of my theory= Frozen Ocean

LightKing wrote:
Subject: hey

like how you are trying to question what my motives are....lol

"he's sexist cause he always pits woman against men, primarchs".... no im not.... i have always said no one man and woman could take on a primarch unless with a special weapon/chaos amped or a very special curcumstance

in fact...i can say the same argument that some of you are to PC (politically correct) that its hard for you to admit that a man could beat a woman, in this case a primarch could beat a woman/battle sister.... so you wont admit it on the internet and try to come up with insane circumstances......... why it isn't true

but you dont know alot about 40k if you think a human (man or woman) could beat a primarch

LightKing, I have been participating in this thread for quite a few posts now. Why did you PM this to me?

I was merely pointing out a trend. It seems to be "Sister of Battle" repeatedly from you, and being quite a bit overzealous about the whole thing (PMing several people about it, for a start). If you'd actually read anyone's posts, you would realise that it isn't the issue (you're the one who brought up Sisters, specifically, more than once). I don't care if it's a Canoness, Chapter Master, Space Marine Scout, Chaos Chosen, Raptor, Guardsman, Guardswoman, male Ogryn, female Ogryn, Baneblade driver, Ork, Necron, male Fire Warrior, female Fire Warrior, Tyranid, male Princeps, female Princeps, male Aspect Warrior, female Aspect Warrior - if they have a gun capable of vaporising all but specially-designed armour, they are capable of killing a Primarch by shooting them with said gun.

You are the only one to (repeatedly) bring up whether or not a Canoness (or any form of Sister) could kill a Primarch in melee. Given how you point blank ignore many of the things said in replies and simply pick up on the word "Primarch" or "Sister", and then respond with "Sisters can't be Primarchs in hand to hand" or something to that effect, it was very suspicious. You don't argue "Primarchs are too tough for meltas to kill", you argue "There's no way a Sister could kill a Primarch!". Repeatedly. Now you're arguing "political correctness" as if this is some kind of trump card that negates all points made against you. See my post about why the Callidus story is bad. I mentioned how it would have been different had the assassin been an Eversor (because they are usually male, unlike Callidus); even though this hypothetical Eversor still died, it was a better representation of skill rather than "Konrad let her do it and then she got mutilated horribly by Soul Drinker or whatever". It's still an underwhelming story if the assassin was male, while the Eversor version would be much more interesting regardless of the assassin's gender. It's just unfortunate - not because died, but because it's so rare for female characters to get a chance to do anything meaningful in 40k, and once again, a Callidus gets randomly murdered and mutilated (specifically mutilated, much like how the other one got "flayed alive") after helping a man commit suicide.

What really seems to rile you - based entirely upon this thread and the PMs mentioned within it - is the concept of a Sister of Battle defeating a Primarch. You say this several times. Not "mortal", not "human", not even just "Non-Primarch" or "meltagun" - you very specifically mention Sisters over and over again. So no, it's not me being overly PC. If you would like to avoid people getting this impression, perhaps you shouldn't specifically target women with your argument.

but maybe you should use logic of the fiction then

most 40k fans would agree that a primarch destroys a sister, yet people like you and da001 say a sister would destroy a primarch


when YOU should know their power levels.....

Technically they said a meltagun would destroy a Primarch... regardless of who is firing it...

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 da001 wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Surely you jest. A battle sister, in no circumstances is equal to a primarch. A battle sister would be ripped in thirds by a naked primarch before she could pull the trigger. Even if the primarch was hit, he might get slightly singed.

Wait... why is he naked?

It was to illustrate just how little a primarch would need to remove a battle sister.

I am not sure you have read the previous pages of this thread, let alone its predecessor: "so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine ", by the same author. Both put together have over 23 pages of insanity and occasional interesting stuff.

Anyway, someone pointed out that we have some examples of humans or Astartes killing, wounding, defeating or nearly killing Primarchs. Luther and Kor Phaeron are humans and defeated Primarch, Eugen Temba nearly killed Horus, someone driving a Warhound against Lorgar, Guilliman nearly getting defeated by a squad of marines, Fulgrim wounded by a sniper, a Vindicare (a human sniper) sent to kill Horus, assassins sent to kill Curze by people who know a lot about what Primarchs can do,.... the list is long.

Then someone said that this could apply to Sisters of Battle (which are humans) and things went wild. Accusations of sexism and stuff.

Asking your post in a serious matter, nobody has claimed that a Canoness is stronger than a Primarch save the author of the thread, who is a troll or something really close.

 da001 wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 da001 wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Surely you jest. A battle sister, in no circumstances is equal to a primarch. A battle sister would be ripped in thirds by a naked primarch before she could pull the trigger. Even if the primarch was hit, he might get slightly singed.

Wait... why is he naked?

It was to illustrate just how little a primarch would need to remove a battle sister.

I am not sure you have read the previous pages of this thread, let alone its predecessor: "so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine ", by the same author. Both put together have over 23 pages of insanity and occasional interesting stuff.

Anyway, someone pointed out that we have some examples of humans or Astartes killing, wounding, defeating or nearly killing Primarchs. Luther and Kor Phaeron are humans and defeated Primarch, Eugen Temba nearly killed Horus, someone driving a Warhound against Lorgar, Guilliman nearly getting defeated by a squad of marines, Fulgrim wounded by a sniper, a Vindicare (a human sniper) sent to kill Horus, assassins sent to kill Curze by people who know a lot about what Primarchs can do,.... the list is long.

Then someone said that this could apply to Sisters of Battle (which are humans) and things went wild. Accusations of sexism and stuff.

Asking your post in a serious matter, nobody has claimed that a Canoness is stronger than a Primarch save the author of the thread, who is a troll or something really close.

you just said a human could beat a primarch, using the assassin example, stop lying

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

LightKing, I have been participating in this thread for quite a few posts now. Why did you PM this to me?

Join the club. He did the same to Melissia, Troike, and me. That I know of.

 da001 wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

 da001 wrote:

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Surely you jest. A battle sister, in no circumstances is equal to a primarch. A battle sister would be ripped in thirds by a naked primarch before she could pull the trigger. Even if the primarch was hit, he might get slightly singed.

Wait... why is he naked?

It was to illustrate just how little a primarch would need to remove a battle sister.

I am not sure you have read the previous pages of this thread, let alone its predecessor: "so Sisters of Battle= Space Marine ", by the same author. Both put together have over 23 pages of insanity and occasional interesting stuff.

Anyway, someone pointed out that we have some examples of humans or Astartes killing, wounding, defeating or nearly killing Primarchs. Luther and Kor Phaeron are humans and defeated Primarch, Eugen Temba nearly killed Horus, someone driving a Warhound against Lorgar, Guilliman nearly getting defeated by a squad of marines, Fulgrim wounded by a sniper, a Vindicare (a human sniper) sent to kill Horus, assassins sent to kill Curze by people who know a lot about what Primarchs can do,.... the list is long.

Then someone said that this could apply to Sisters of Battle (which are humans) and things went wild. Accusations of sexism and stuff.

Asking your post in a serious matter, nobody has claimed that a Canoness is stronger than a Primarch save the author of the thread, who is a troll or something really close.

and what about all the examples of primarchs doing miraculous feats

My above edit, because more posts happened, in case it gets lost in the Warp;

Me wrote:EDIT: Wooooah, so much thread happened.

da001: You have my full permission!

LightKing: As others have said (and I), you bring up "Sister". I am not disputing that a Sister of Battle or anything less than a Bio-Titan/Titan/Primarch/Greater Daemon could reasonably fight a Primarch in close combat. This isn't about Primarch vs Sister, it's about Primarch vs melta shot to the face. Is a melta shot female? Am I discriminating against men because obviously melta beams, being female, automatically win? No. I'm saying that someone's face, no matter how super-enhanced they are, will melt when shot with a weapon that reduces tanks to slag.

EDIT: Apparently equipment makes no difference, so if an Eldar Phantom Titan stepped on a Primarch and killed him, then therefore all Eldar can beat Primarchs in melee. Yup. Or if a Tau fleet destroyed a planet a Primarch was on and killed him, that therefore all Tau can beat Angron in close combat.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
My above edit, because more posts happened, in case it gets lost in the Warp;

Me wrote:EDIT: Wooooah, so much thread happened.

da001: You have my full permission!

LightKing: As others have said (and I), you bring up "Sister". I am not disputing that a Sister of Battle or anything less than a Bio-Titan/Titan/Primarch/Greater Daemon could reasonably fight a Primarch in close combat. This isn't about Primarch vs Sister, it's about Primarch vs melta shot to the face. Is a melta shot female? Am I discriminating against men because obviously melta beams, being female, automatically win? No. I'm saying that someone's face, no matter how super-enhanced they are, will melt when shot with a weapon that reduces tanks to slag.

then i apologize then, last night like i said i get heated in these debates


i still think alot of people in this debate bring in their own persona ideology (PC) when judging fiction... and they shouldn't...


remember the days of the female space marine debates....i feel like some people just won't admit a primarch is stronger then a female character

The fact that you "feel" this when nobody has stated it is worrying.

An Eldar Banshee can kill a Space Marine. A Space Marine can kill a female Guardsman. There is no gender A > gender B.

 da001 wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

LightKing, I have been participating in this thread for quite a few posts now. Why did you PM this to me?

Join the club. He did the same to Melissia, Troike, and me. That I know of.

He sent me a PM yesterday too, I didn't respond at the time.