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LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So why doesn't a Primarch survive a meltagun in the face... That's just silly. We've seen them survive even more insane stuff. I mean Lorgar did survive two plasma shots... from a Titan.

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

and yet Magnus destroyed hundreds of space wolves with his mind

This is exactly the point everyone is trying to make to you, you realize this right? The primarchs are clearly beings of immense power but against a powerful enough weapon, or caught off guard, or any other of a near infinite set of circumstances could lead to them being killed by a normal human.

 Orblivion wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So why doesn't a Primarch survive a meltagun in the face... That's just silly. We've seen them survive even more insane stuff. I mean Lorgar did survive two plasma shots... from a Titan.

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

and yet Magnus destroyed hundreds of space wolves with his mind

This is exactly the point everyone is trying to make to you, you realize this right? The primarchs are beings of immense power but against a powerful enough weapon, or caught off guard, or any other of a near infinite set of circumstances could lead to them being killed by a normal human.

but i didnt even mean using weapons in the debate..i meant H2H/Melee

LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So why doesn't a Primarch survive a meltagun in the face... That's just silly. We've seen them survive even more insane stuff. I mean Lorgar did survive two plasma shots... from a Titan.

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

and yet Magnus destroyed hundreds of space wolves with his mind

This is exactly the point everyone is trying to make to you, you realize this right? The primarchs are beings of immense power but against a powerful enough weapon, or caught off guard, or any other of a near infinite set of circumstances could lead to them being killed by a normal human.

but i didnt even mean using weapons in the debate..i meant H2H/Melee

Yeah, and the powerful weapon I mentioned that defeated Horus was a melee weapon.

 Orblivion wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So why doesn't a Primarch survive a meltagun in the face... That's just silly. We've seen them survive even more insane stuff. I mean Lorgar did survive two plasma shots... from a Titan.

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

and yet Magnus destroyed hundreds of space wolves with his mind

This is exactly the point everyone is trying to make to you, you realize this right? The primarchs are beings of immense power but against a powerful enough weapon, or caught off guard, or any other of a near infinite set of circumstances could lead to them being killed by a normal human.

but i didnt even mean using weapons in the debate..i meant H2H/Melee

Yeah, and the powerful weapon I mentioned that defeated Horus was a melee weapon.

and Angron mowed marines down with his ax, what are you trying to prove man?

It was a sword tampered with by Nurgle himself.

Anyway this chatter has strayed far off the subject, didn't it?

Anyway the chance of a Canoness killing a Primarch fluffwise is far below the 0.000001% or even far less.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

That "Alien sword" isn't a meltagun or plasmagun and is rather irrelevant in this. And it was a sword imbued by Nurgle...

LightKing wrote:

and yet Magnus destroyed hundreds of space wolves with his mind

And yet Magnus got his ass handed by just 5 or so Space Wolves.

Is this the book where TS invade the SW base book? (just curious and taking a guess) I loved it cause Magnus kept on being like oh yeah I'm a alpha plus primarch daemon prince I forgot wait He's still alive! Wait where did he come from!? (to me at least. I just kinda found it funny)

and Angron has mowed down through marines....

Nurgle had nothing to do with the sword. Nurgle had infected the guardsman wielding it, not the sword itself. The sword just happened to be an extremely potent weapon.

 Orblivion wrote:
Nurgle had nothing to do with the sword. Nurgle had infected the guardsman wielding it, not the sword itself. The sword just happened to be an extremely potent weapon.

It happened to be the Anathame, arguably one of the most lethal close combat weapons in the galaxy.

 Orblivion wrote:
Nurgle had nothing to do with the sword. Nurgle had infected the guardsman wielding it, not the sword itself. The sword just happened to be an extremely potent weapon.

Fulgrim cut up a tank..... Angron avoided being crushed by a Titan...





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it just seems like their is 2 groups of people on this debate


group a= trying to prove reasons why primarchs are weak

group b= trying to prove reasons why primarchs are strong

LightKing wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
But is that such a bad thing? Let your mind go mad. Make the impossible possible and shatter realities. Forge your own path, your own stories. Ones to be forgotten and others to be remembered. You are free to make of it whatever you wish (as long as you make sure to keep some spikes and skulls around ). Each game can be a recount, a competitive game, or your own narrative. A death on the board game doesn't necessarily mean death. Retreat, incapacitation, recovering a valuable plasma gun that overheated... what your mind creates is what has happened for you. The other individual might interpret differently but so be it. If you don't want a melta to kill a primarch, then think such a way but always remember there are others out there that prefer the notion that a primarch is not as godly as that and would be felled by such a powerful shot.

And yes, Tzeentch is best god :U

so its pretty much open up to interpretation.....their is no true canon in 40k?

Everything is canon.... but nothing is necessarily true or false. So go with it! Make of it what you will. Have fun and don't look back and let your mind weave the tale that fits you best. Make it where guns reign and sword fights are extremely rare. Make it where they vainly charge to glory! Or make it simply that those forces can reach cc and a lovely melee appears. Pick what is real and what is false and let your mind fill in the rest. It's a dark and silly silly world just don't forget the one true canon. No chaos vehicle is permitted to not have some spikes on it :U

This is the discription of that certain sword
"The Anathame was a sword impregnated with the power of the Chaos God Nurgle created by the mysterious Kinebrach"
Plus that whole chain of events were all orchestrated by Erebus.

See fluff like the Creed from Assasins Creed. "Nothing is true, everything is premitted."

 StarTrotter wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
But is that such a bad thing? Let your mind go mad. Make the impossible possible and shatter realities. Forge your own path, your own stories. Ones to be forgotten and others to be remembered. You are free to make of it whatever you wish (as long as you make sure to keep some spikes and skulls around ). Each game can be a recount, a competitive game, or your own narrative. A death on the board game doesn't necessarily mean death. Retreat, incapacitation, recovering a valuable plasma gun that overheated... what your mind creates is what has happened for you. The other individual might interpret differently but so be it. If you don't want a melta to kill a primarch, then think such a way but always remember there are others out there that prefer the notion that a primarch is not as godly as that and would be felled by such a powerful shot.

And yes, Tzeentch is best god :U

so its pretty much open up to interpretation.....their is no true canon in 40k?

Everything is canon.... but nothing is necessarily true or false. So go with it! Make of it what you will. Have fun and don't look back and let your mind weave the tale that fits you best. Make it where guns reign and sword fights are extremely rare. Make it where they vainly charge to glory! Or make it simply that those forces can reach cc and a lovely melee appears. Pick what is real and what is false and let your mind fill in the rest. It's a dark and silly silly world just don't forget the one true canon. No chaos vehicle is permitted to not have some spikes on it :U

do most 40k fans like this type of philosophy when it comes to lore, or would most people like to see a more consistent approach

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
This is the discription of that certain sword
"The Anathame was a sword impregnated with the power of the Chaos God Nurgle created by the mysterious Kinebrach"
Plus it was all orchestrated by Erebus.

See fluff like the Creed from Assasins Creed. "Nothing is true, everything is premitted."

Thats the description from the 40k wiki, which is complete and utter garbage. Read the novel it is from again, it was not a chaos weapon.


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LightKing wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
But is that such a bad thing? Let your mind go mad. Make the impossible possible and shatter realities. Forge your own path, your own stories. Ones to be forgotten and others to be remembered. You are free to make of it whatever you wish (as long as you make sure to keep some spikes and skulls around ). Each game can be a recount, a competitive game, or your own narrative. A death on the board game doesn't necessarily mean death. Retreat, incapacitation, recovering a valuable plasma gun that overheated... what your mind creates is what has happened for you. The other individual might interpret differently but so be it. If you don't want a melta to kill a primarch, then think such a way but always remember there are others out there that prefer the notion that a primarch is not as godly as that and would be felled by such a powerful shot.

And yes, Tzeentch is best god :U

so its pretty much open up to interpretation.....their is no true canon in 40k?

Everything is canon.... but nothing is necessarily true or false. So go with it! Make of it what you will. Have fun and don't look back and let your mind weave the tale that fits you best. Make it where guns reign and sword fights are extremely rare. Make it where they vainly charge to glory! Or make it simply that those forces can reach cc and a lovely melee appears. Pick what is real and what is false and let your mind fill in the rest. It's a dark and silly silly world just don't forget the one true canon. No chaos vehicle is permitted to not have some spikes on it :U

do most 40k fans like this type of philosophy when it comes to lore, or would most people like to see a more consistent approach

It doesn't really matter, because what we are given by GW is not consistent. Thats the problem.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
This is the discription of that certain sword
"The Anathame was a sword impregnated with the power of the Chaos God Nurgle created by the mysterious Kinebrach"
Plus that whole chain of events were all orchestrated by Erebus.

See fluff like the Creed from Assasins Creed. "Nothing is true, everything is premitted."

And it can be held by your useless Chaos Lord (if you believe the Murder Sword is the Anathame) in tomorrow's game.

 ace101 wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
This is the discription of that certain sword
"The Anathame was a sword impregnated with the power of the Chaos God Nurgle created by the mysterious Kinebrach"
Plus that whole chain of events were all orchestrated by Erebus.

See fluff like the Creed from Assasins Creed. "Nothing is true, everything is premitted."

And ut can be held by your useless Chaos Lord {if you blieve the Murder Sword is the Anathame) in tomorrow' game.

The Murder Sword is, or so is it implied, an Athame, that is, a shard of the Anathame. It is far weaker than the original.

Actually the funny part is that if the size of the primarchs is correct in the BL novels then they may not be able to fire a meltagun and their hand would be too big. They are like 2x the size of a SM. SO if the battlefield is littered with regular Imperial Army meltaguns then that is one dead primarch.

Honestly this sort of argument is like me saying a emperor titan can kill a primarch if they start a mile apart...yep, so what is the point?

so it seems like we have 2 groups of people on this debate

orblivion trying to prove the primarchs were weak, why another group trying to prove that they were strong

LightKing wrote:
and Angron has mowed down through marines....

You're referring to Armageddon or the Dominion of Fire? Either way, he was still driven back into the Immaterium, by Titans and millions of Guardsmen.

LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
Nurgle had nothing to do with the sword. Nurgle had infected the guardsman wielding it, not the sword itself. The sword just happened to be an extremely potent weapon.

Fulgrim cut up a tank..... Angron avoided being crushed by a Titan...





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it just seems like their is 2 groups of people on this debate


group a= trying to prove reasons why primarchs are weak

group b= trying to prove reasons why primarchs are strong

Alas your opener is.. heavily polarizing. For example, for me, I would say. Why, it is possible that the Canonesse could but it would require a ludicrous amount of holes for this faitfhul one to hop through just to reach them and even then it depends on how prepared are they. Did they shove the barrel down the throat? Yeah primarch or not you are either dead or injured horrendously (unless you are Vulkan and then I'm not sure whether I want to head cannon..... well most of you know what I'm hinting at). At the same time though, this is only how I interpret the fluff (which is funny since my opinion of marines is much closer to the table top than the walking tanks of doom others see them as). We all have our opinions and to some extent want to be in the right not to mention we try to argue our point to bring one to our side of reasoning. It doesn't make your interpretations wrong but always remember that in 40k, there are few times where there is an outright agreement. Lasguns, the jokingly named flashlights are argued to be able to blast off arms and punch through walls to some whilst others claim they cause only minor burns. Now, I'm not claiming to go up and start explaining lasguns are stronger theeeen Boltguns, Meltaguns, Tau pulse guns, Eldar guns, Necron guns, etc... that's something I think almost everybody agrees that the lasgun is weaker. Actually, I think you would enjoy the Imperial Primer. They made a book that fluff wise all guardsman must have on them (or so they claim!). It has propoganda claiming nids to be slow, tau to be afraid of everything and crummy shots, and orks to be brutish fools of no intellect that are barely decent in CC. Propaganda is the general interpretation of it

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

LightKing wrote:
and Angron has mowed down through marines....

You're referring to Armageddon or the Dominion of Fire? Either way, he was still driven back into the Immaterium, by Titans and millions of Guardsmen.

wow titans and millions of men to stop 1 primarch

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

LightKing wrote:
and Angron has mowed down through marines....

You're referring to Armageddon or the Dominion of Fire? Either way, he was still driven back into the Immaterium, by Titans and millions of Guardsmen.

Well to be honest it was titans, millions of guardsman (infantry, tanks, guns, artillery, planes), many a space marine particularly the wolves, and a total of 100 terminator grey knights.


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LightKing wrote:

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

LightKing wrote:
and Angron has mowed down through marines....

You're referring to Armageddon or the Dominion of Fire? Either way, he was still driven back into the Immaterium, by Titans and millions of Guardsmen.

wow titans and millions of men to stop 1 primarch

1 Daemon Prince Primarch that has become either the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd strongest of the daemons of Khorne (yet again the fluff is unreliable and it is argued over)

as Blaxicanx said

Guilliman survived a blast from a starship that vaporized the bridge he was standing in and floated around in space for hours with no helmet on.

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.

Well for one, that won't kill Vulkan, and two, at least one of the Primarchs tanked a clean shot from the plasma cannon of a titan. They're mini-emperors. They're unlikely to go down to a meltagun or a Sister- irregardless of her rank. Even Mortarian getting beaten once by Kaldor Draigo isn't anything to sneeze at (especially given all the in the Grey Knight codex they used in place of glue).

 Orblivion wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So why doesn't a Primarch survive a meltagun in the face... That's just silly. We've seen them survive even more insane stuff. I mean Lorgar did survive two plasma shots... from a Titan.

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

A corpse infested and empowered by Nurgle and armed with a plaguesword specifically designed by the Chaos Gods to take down a Primarch (the Anathame).

Say something else silly. I'm bored and desire entertainment.

Wasn't Konrad shot in the head by an assassin?

 Lord Spartacus wrote:
Wasn't Konrad shot in the head by an assassin?

he let her kill him..he knew she was coming..

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So why doesn't a Primarch survive a meltagun in the face... That's just silly. We've seen them survive even more insane stuff. I mean Lorgar did survive two plasma shots... from a Titan.

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

A corpse infested and empowered by Nurgle and armed with a plaguesword specifically designed by the Chaos Gods to take down a Primarch (the Anathame).

Say something else silly. I'm bored and desire entertainment.

Why bother? This whole thread is a joke, or hadn't you noticed?

EDIT: And once again, the Chaos Gods had nothing to do with the Anathame. Stop looking things up on the 40k Wiki people.

LightKing wrote:
he let her kill him..he knew she was coming..

Not my point. The assassin used normal bullets, right?

 Lord Spartacus wrote:

LightKing wrote:
he let her kill him..he knew she was coming..

Not my point. The assassin used normal bullets, right?

she had a c'tan sword


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 Orblivion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
So why doesn't a Primarch survive a meltagun in the face... That's just silly. We've seen them survive even more insane stuff. I mean Lorgar did survive two plasma shots... from a Titan.

And yet Horus, believed even by most primarchs to be the best of them, was felled by a sickly guardsman/corpse with an alien sword.

A corpse infested and empowered by Nurgle and armed with a plaguesword specifically designed by the Chaos Gods to take down a Primarch (the Anathame).

Say something else silly. I'm bored and desire entertainment.

Why bother? This whole thread is a joke, or hadn't you noticed?

EDIT: And once again, the Chaos Gods had nothing to do with the Anathame. Stop looking things up on the 40k Wiki people.

well it seems like your trying to prove that the primarchs are weak and people are refuting you