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LightKing wrote:
well it seems like your trying to prove that the primarchs are weak and people are refuting you

Not at all, read my post at the top of page 3. I believe I stated that the primarchs were beings of immense power. The point is that they can still be killed. You're talking 1on1 in a dueling scenario, but from what Melissia said about what she told you in the PM, she wasn't. So you only made this thread for a little bit of sensationalism, that's the joke.

 Lord Spartacus wrote:
Wasn't Konrad shot in the head by an assassin?

No, decapitated. She then managed to broadcast footage of the kill before she was killed by Talos.
(Which also shows she definetly would not have taken him had he actually fought, given that Curze/The Night Haunter had killed several previous assassins.)

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.

Well for one, that won't kill Vulkan, and two, at least one of the Primarchs tanked a clean shot from the plasma cannon of a titan. They're mini-emperors. They're unlikely to go down to a meltagun or a Sister- irregardless of her rank. Even Mortarian getting beaten once by Kaldor Draigo isn't anything to sneeze at (especially given all the in the Grey Knight codex they used in place of glue).

If, of course, you think the HH is an "eye witness account" and will not end with a pan back from the closing scene to a dude sitting around the campfire with some kids, closing a book, and saying "and that is how the God-Emperor ascended to the Golden Throne to secure the future of us all" or some similar passage. What we're getting in the HH books *might* be filtered through 10,000 years of myth and forgotten history, related to us by a figure in M41.

the anathame was not a conventional weapon.. Temba spoke horus name into it....... even then Horus still killed Temba

 Psienesis wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.

Well for one, that won't kill Vulkan, and two, at least one of the Primarchs tanked a clean shot from the plasma cannon of a titan. They're mini-emperors. They're unlikely to go down to a meltagun or a Sister- irregardless of her rank. Even Mortarian getting beaten once by Kaldor Draigo isn't anything to sneeze at (especially given all the in the Grey Knight codex they used in place of glue).

If, of course, you think the HH is an "eye witness account" and will not end with a pan back from the closing scene to a dude sitting around the campfire with some kids, closing a book, and saying "and that is how the God-Emperor ascended to the Golden Throne to secure the future of us all" or some similar passage. What we're getting in the HH books *might* be filtered through 10,000 years of myth and forgotten history, related to us by a figure in M41.

I take it you haven't read the Talos Trilogy at all. Talos, first hand account on the Night Haunter (which also isn't glorified). Night Haunter wants the assassin to kill him and lets her decapitate him so he can martyr himself and vindicate his nutjob logic. Talos, despite swearing with all other Night Lords that they would not intervene, chases down the assassin and kills her on her ship. Eldar then immediately show up and beat the snot out of the Night Lords.

And considering how much GW thumbs its fists on the podium when advertising the HH series, they're probably the final pure canon look on the Horus Heresy. Of course, people being fairly uptight when it comes to 'their' look on W40K, decide to ignore despite it being the best source on the subject and most likely completely true.

 Orblivion wrote:


Why bother? This whole thread is a joke, or hadn't you noticed?

EDIT: And once again, the Chaos Gods had nothing to do with the Anathame. Stop looking things up on the 40k Wiki people.

In Horus Rising, the Kinebrecht explicitly state that the Anathame and the other weapons in their mausoleum are weapons crafted with chaos energies, which is why they were banned.

Where are you getting your information from? You might want to actually read the Heresy series before you comment on it.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:


Why bother? This whole thread is a joke, or hadn't you noticed?

EDIT: And once again, the Chaos Gods had nothing to do with the Anathame. Stop looking things up on the 40k Wiki people.

In Horus Rising, the Kinebrecht explicitly state that the Anathame and the other weapons in their mausoleum are weapons crafted with chaos energies, which is why they were banned.

Where are you getting your information from? You might want to actually read the Heresy series before you comment on it.

i thought the Anathame was created by the Interex?

I thought all Primarchs had Eternal Warrior, which means they couldn't be insta-gibbed. I also saw some people say that this was actually mentioned in the fluffs or the novels, too, that there seemed to be some almost supernatural force that prevented primarchs from instantly dying to cheap headshots (kinda like how Abaddon has a fluff reason for having Eternal Warrior. Of course, some chars have it for seemingly no reason at all like Calgar...)

My memory could be wrong. *shrug*

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:


Why bother? This whole thread is a joke, or hadn't you noticed?

EDIT: And once again, the Chaos Gods had nothing to do with the Anathame. Stop looking things up on the 40k Wiki people.

In Horus Rising, the Kinebrecht explicitly state that the Anathame and the other weapons in their mausoleum are weapons crafted with chaos energies, which is why they were banned.

Where are you getting your information from? You might want to actually read the Heresy series before you comment on it.

The Kinebrach don't even speak to the Imperial visitors in the scene you're thinking of. The Interex took the Anathame from the Kinebrach, and the Interex make no mention of chaos energies when describing how the blade is forged. Erebus asks if it was perhaps made with a curse, and the Interex official replies "I suppose that is how you could describe it." Explain to me how you consider that "explicitly stating that it was crafted with chaos energies".

Given equal weapons, the Primarch will shoot the canonness a hundred times before she even considers shooting him once.

And a meltagun? lol

Lascannons have hit Angron and Corvus Corax dead in the chest, and they juggernauted their way through it.

Sanguinius survived an axe strike from Ka'Bhanda that killed five hundred Blood Angels and left him in a crater.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Given equal weapons, the Primarch will shoot the canonness a hundred times before she even considers shooting him once.

And a meltagun? lol

Lascannons have hit Angron and Corvus Corax dead in the chest, and they juggernauted their way through it.

Sanguinius survived an axe strike from Ka'Bhanda that killed five hundred Blood Angels and left him in a crater.

their is simply no way a sister could best sang

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Given equal weapons, the Primarch will shoot the canonness a hundred times before she even considers shooting him once.

And a meltagun? lol

Lascannons have hit Angron and Corvus Corax dead in the chest, and they juggernauted their way through it.

Sanguinius survived an axe strike from Ka'Bhanda that killed five hundred Blood Angels and left him in a crater.

The axe strike in question did not strike Sanguinius. There was some kind of psychic backlash involved in the death of so many Blood Angels, that's what affected Sanguinius.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.

Well for one, that won't kill Vulkan, and two, at least one of the Primarchs tanked a clean shot from the plasma cannon of a titan. They're mini-emperors. They're unlikely to go down to a meltagun or a Sister- irregardless of her rank. Even Mortarian getting beaten once by Kaldor Draigo isn't anything to sneeze at (especially given all the in the Grey Knight codex they used in place of glue).

If, of course, you think the HH is an "eye witness account" and will not end with a pan back from the closing scene to a dude sitting around the campfire with some kids, closing a book, and saying "and that is how the God-Emperor ascended to the Golden Throne to secure the future of us all" or some similar passage. What we're getting in the HH books *might* be filtered through 10,000 years of myth and forgotten history, related to us by a figure in M41.

I take it you haven't read the Talos Trilogy at all. Talos, first hand account on the Night Haunter (which also isn't glorified). Night Haunter wants the assassin to kill him and lets her decapitate him so he can martyr himself and vindicate his nutjob logic. Talos, despite swearing with all other Night Lords that they would not intervene, chases down the assassin and kills her on her ship. Eldar then immediately show up and beat the snot out of the Night Lords.

And considering how much GW thumbs its fists on the podium when advertising the HH series, they're probably the final pure canon look on the Horus Heresy. Of course, people being fairly uptight when it comes to 'their' look on W40K, decide to ignore despite it being the best source on the subject and most likely completely true.

No, I havent, because most BL novels are terrible, and I have better things to do with my time. Even the audiobook versions are atrocious.

Also "most likely completely true" doesn't mean anything when GW themselves have told us "none of this is intended to be taken as completely true."

Also also because this is the same series of novels where Primarchs forget they are Primarchs because of the needs of the plot. So... no, I don't buy it.

LightKing wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Given equal weapons, the Primarch will shoot the canonness a hundred times before she even considers shooting him once.

And a meltagun? lol

Lascannons have hit Angron and Corvus Corax dead in the chest, and they juggernauted their way through it.

Sanguinius survived an axe strike from Ka'Bhanda that killed five hundred Blood Angels and left him in a crater.

their is simply no way a sister could best sang

No, they could. It's called orbital ordinance, and the Sisters do have ships. While a ground battle is immensely costly, they would likely bury them under numbers or just call down orbital strikes. Of course, there is one exception. It's highly unlikely they could kill Magnus given his psyker abilities which include stopping time cold.

Also, and seriously? Most Black Library books are terrific. You just avoid the mainstream works like those on the Space Wolves. Death of Antagonis, Siege of Castellax, Legion of the Damned, Talos Trilogy, and the collections like Space Marine and Hammer and Bolter are all fantastic. The start of the Horus Heresy was also good, although McNeil taking a big crap on Abnett's work with Horus Rising was annoying, it's all enjoyable and readable. You just do research and don't blindly buy stuff off the shelf like a bad consumer.

Oh, and then there's the important fact that Warhammer 40k IS A COMEDY.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Given equal weapons, the Primarch will shoot the canonness a hundred times before she even considers shooting him once.

And a meltagun? lol

Lascannons have hit Angron and Corvus Corax dead in the chest, and they juggernauted their way through it.

Sanguinius survived an axe strike from Ka'Bhanda that killed five hundred Blood Angels and left him in a crater.

The axe strike in question did not strike Sanguinius. There was some kind of psychic backlash involved in the death of so many Blood Angels, that's what affected Sanguinius.

come on dude, your going to continue saying a sister can beat a primarch in 1 on 1 h2h/melee


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 Orblivion wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Given equal weapons, the Primarch will shoot the canonness a hundred times before she even considers shooting him once.

And a meltagun? lol

Lascannons have hit Angron and Corvus Corax dead in the chest, and they juggernauted their way through it.

Sanguinius survived an axe strike from Ka'Bhanda that killed five hundred Blood Angels and left him in a crater.

The axe strike in question did not strike Sanguinius. There was some kind of psychic backlash involved in the death of so many Blood Angels, that's what affected Sanguinius.

explain Guilliaman taking a starcruiser laser shot and suriving in space without a helmet

LightKing wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Given equal weapons, the Primarch will shoot the canonness a hundred times before she even considers shooting him once.

And a meltagun? lol

Lascannons have hit Angron and Corvus Corax dead in the chest, and they juggernauted their way through it.

Sanguinius survived an axe strike from Ka'Bhanda that killed five hundred Blood Angels and left him in a crater.

The axe strike in question did not strike Sanguinius. There was some kind of psychic backlash involved in the death of so many Blood Angels, that's what affected Sanguinius.

come on dude, your going to continue saying a sister can beat a primarch in 1 on 1 h2h/melee

That was not intended to be an argument at all. I was simply correcting a mistake I saw.

explain Guilliaman taking a starcruiser laser shot and suriving in space without a helmet

LightKing wrote:
explain Guilliaman taking a starcruiser laser shot and suriving in space without a helmet

What is wrong with you? I wasn't arguing the point he made at all, I was just making a correction to one of his examples. I'm as big of a Sanguinius fanboy as you can find.

 Orblivion wrote:

LightKing wrote:
explain Guilliaman taking a starcruiser laser shot and suriving in space without a helmet

What is wrong with you? I wasn't arguing the point he made at all, I was just making a correction to one of his examples.

well i just find it funny that people are trying to deny that primarchs are powerful

 Orblivion wrote:


The axe strike in question did not strike Sanguinius. There was some kind of psychic backlash involved in the death of so many Blood Angels, that's what affected Sanguinius.

Did a quick check of this, you're actually right about this.


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 Psienesis wrote:


No, I havent, because most BL novels are terrible, and I have better things to do with my time.

Like argue with people about them on DakkaDakka.

Also also because this is the same series of novels where Primarchs forget they are Primarchs because of the needs of the plot. So... no, I don't buy it.

That wasn't in the Horus Heresy series.

 Melissia wrote:
LightKing PMed me with this bizarre, out of the blue assertion (with no provocation form my part) about how Primarchs can't be beaten by anyone.

I responded by asserting that anyone who can land a headshot with a meltagun will kill a primarch in a single blow, just like they would kill anyone else. Firepower is, after all, the great equalizer. It doesn't matter how tough you are when you're being vaporized.

Primarchs take Titan plasma weaponry. They won't get hurt by a meltagun. Seriously all 30k tanks can be immune to melta. And primarchs are tougher than any non superheavy tank.
Again these melon-fethers are stronger than certain versions of Superman.

But who would win in a fight vs Goku

Sister shoves melta down primarch throat and pulls the trigger= fething LAVA down his throat= primarch dead. (the thing is, shed never get that close.
Sister and primarch both have meltas= primarch, cause he's faster (by alot)
Sister and primarch both have CCW = dead sister, cause he's stronger, faster.
Sister has CCW = primarch still wins.

 Badablack wrote:
But who would win in a fight vs Goku

You'd have to be high to think a Primarch could take on Goku. The only one I think might even last a bit against him is Magnus, but I don't remember if Goku has any defenses against attacks psychic in nature.

 Badablack wrote:
But who would win in a fight vs Goku

I'm not going to acknowledge this but pretty much any version of Superman apart from the Frank Miller verison could beat primarchs bloody.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Badablack wrote:
But who would win in a fight vs Goku

You'd have to be high to think a Primarch could take on Goku. The only one I think might even last a bit against him is Magnus, but I don't remember if Goku has any defenses against attacks psychic in nature.

He certainly does. He's too stupid for anyone to withstand touching his mind.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Badablack wrote:
But who would win in a fight vs Goku

You'd have to be high to think a Primarch could take on Goku. The only one I think might even last a bit against him is Magnus, but I don't remember if Goku has any defenses against attacks psychic in nature.

Ooops and Badablack has a bite.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 Badablack wrote:
But who would win in a fight vs Goku

I'm not going to acknowledge this but pretty much any version of Superman apart from the Frank Miller verison could beat primarchs bloody.

The movie versions would likely be taken out by Magnus given their lack of feats surrounding defense against mind attacks. But that's like... it. And boasting that you can beatdown a movie version of a superhero is like boasting you can smack around a paraplegic child.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
Sister shoves melta down primarch throat and pulls the trigger= fething LAVA down his throat= primarch dead. (the thing is, shed never get that close.
Sister and primarch both have meltas= primarch, cause he's faster (by alot)
Sister and primarch both have CCW = dead sister, cause he's stronger, faster.
Sister has CCW = primarch still wins.

that's what I been trying to say, even in a melta vs. melta fight....the primarch still has vastly superior reflexes, strength and speed then a sister


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now what about this....... Magnus vs. Palpatine

Psyker ability vs. The Force

Battle has no connection to the OP post. Problem with this argument is that the force and psykers power is tied to their own respective universe/galaxy. Without their powers, Magnus but that doesn't seem a fair fight etc etc