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CthuluIsSpy wrote: But isn't it is already a contraction of Is it not (or more accurately, is not it).
Can you contract a contraction? 0_o
I wouldn't worry about the grammar; it's just an informal contraction used in certain dialects, like 'gonna' for 'going to'.
And OT, it's not really something to get angry about. The inspiration comes from English hooligans because GW is an English company (and their mode of speech is a good indication that they're a caricature of English yobs and not, say, Italian ultras (although anyone who wants to start an Ork army with that theme is welcome)). When people state that as an original theme, it's not a value judgement. The historical basis is a bit closer to home than, say, Bretonnia, but then Orks were probably the best vehicle for a fairly blunt caricature in an already tongue-in-cheek setting.
2013/12/24 01:37:40
Subject: Re:Orks and 'British football hooligans'.
This seems like a good approximation of Ork behavior.
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This is also pretty orky too.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
Da Boss wrote: OP, you are European. Britain is part of Europe as both a geographical, cultural and political entity.
Geographical? maybe. but cultural? Nah, Brits are just way too different. They are just a bunch of island weirdos. They are not European, they drive on the wrong side of the road!!
As for the hooliganism, British football fans do have a reputation for that. Only a month or so ago, there was a whole hassle involving Celtic fans in Amsterdam. Things often tend to get out of hand when the British are involved Or at least, in here the Netherlands that is.
Of course, other countries have their hooligans as well, it is just that 40k is a British game and therefore the Orks are based on British hooligans.
Da Boss wrote: OP, you are European. Britain is part of Europe as both a geographical, cultural and political entity.
Pure lies We are an iland Nation off the coast of europe who never got a referendum about joining. (I don't count the one in the 70's as what we signed up to then and what is asked of us now are not the same thing. But your welcome to your opinion all the same.
Da Boss wrote: OP, you are European. Britain is part of Europe as both a geographical, cultural and political entity.
Geographical? maybe. but cultural? Nah, Brits are just way too different. They are just a bunch of island weirdos. They are not European, they drive on the wrong side of the road!!
Lolz.
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
I think the whole thing is funny, and I despise all of this endless offense.
In fact, you might almost say that your offense offends me.
I suppose the simple fact is, being offended shouldn't entitle you to anything, I get annoyed by all kinds of things, baseball caps, chewing gum, Muslims... but I don't think they should therefore be banned because Matty doesn't like them.
And I doubt anyone that hears the Orks actually believes that the majority of British football fans are violent snot green fungi with broad cockney accents, so who gives a gak anyway?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Da Boss wrote: OP, you are European. Britain is part of Europe as both a geographical, cultural and political entity.
Pure lies We are an iland Nation off the coast of europe who never got a referendum about joining. (I don't count the one in the 70's as what we signed up to then and what is asked of us now are not the same thing. But your welcome to your opinion all the same.
Da Boss wrote: OP, you are European. Britain is part of Europe as both a geographical, cultural and political entity.
Geographical? maybe. but cultural? Nah, Brits are just way too different. They are just a bunch of island weirdos. They are not European, they drive on the wrong side of the road!!
Lolz.
Britain is plenty close to the rest of Europe culturally. It's much more socialist than the US, for example.
Anyway, we drive on the wrong side of the road in Ireland too, and we're definitely European.
British delusions in this area are hilarious. And I might have my opinion, but my opinion is also correct in this instance. I mean, what, you think Britain is the only European nation that didn't get a referendum on EU membership or the various changes?
Additionally, even if you weren't in the EU, you'd still be European. At least until you attach a warp drive to your island and move yourselves somewhere else.
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People all Keep calling it Hooligan its Skinhead i am a skin and there are enough soccer fans in the world that i dont need to be one ...As far as Orks or Orcs Being compared to British i say they are more like Vikings and Viking Soccer is HOCKEY
Poly Ranger wrote: The amount of times I see it claimed that Orks are based on BRITISH football hooligans disgusts me. es, and the FA are the ones most committed in the world to stomping out racism and hooliganism everywhere, and for the last couple of decades these things have been rarer in britain than in most other european countries.
Rant over. Thank you.
We invented the phrase "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" and we invented football hooligans. What's not to like?
Re "innit", a point to note is that over the last decade, it's changed, so it doesn't match the verb: we now say, "you're coming along, innit?" . Old people hate it, but really it's turned into 'n'est-ce pas".
Da Boss wrote: OP, you are European. Britain is part of Europe as both a geographical, cultural and political entity.
Pure lies We are an iland Nation off the coast of europe who never got a referendum about joining. (I don't count the one in the 70's as what we signed up to then and what is asked of us now are not the same thing. But your welcome to your opinion all the same.
Da Boss wrote: OP, you are European. Britain is part of Europe as both a geographical, cultural and political entity.
Geographical? maybe. but cultural? Nah, Brits are just way too different. They are just a bunch of island weirdos. They are not European, they drive on the wrong side of the road!!
Lolz.
Britain is plenty close to the rest of Europe culturally. It's much more socialist than the US, for example.
Anyway, we drive on the wrong side of the road in Ireland too, and we're definitely European.
British delusions in this area are hilarious. And I might have my opinion, but my opinion is also correct in this instance. I mean, what, you think Britain is the only European nation that didn't get a referendum on EU membership or the various changes?
Additionally, even if you weren't in the EU, you'd still be European. At least until you attach a warp drive to your island and move yourselves somewhere else.
Our founding principle for law is innocent until proven guilty, in europe its the other way round, how is that the same culture?
On topic, personally I care not that we are thought as hooligans, cuz weeze all no da boyz ar da bestist..
Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
Its a comic sterotype. Back in the 80's you could have those without people getting butthurt, accusing one of being a bigot and or demanding compo.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Umm, you're wrong about that. France and Italy are two examples where the presumption of innocence is part of the constitution.
Additionally, all members of the Council of Europe (which includes everyone in the EU as well as many others) have to agree to it as a legally binding treaty and it is again emphasised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.
Seriously, go read about "europe" before making generalisations, and don't rely on the rabidly eurosceptic british press to provide you with information on it.
Da Boss wrote: Umm, you're wrong about that. France and Italy are two examples where the presumption of innocence is part of the constitution.
Additionally, all members of the Council of Europe (which includes everyone in the EU as well as many others) have to agree to it as a legally binding treaty and it is again emphasised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union.
Seriously, go read about "europe" before making generalisations, and don't rely on the rabidly eurosceptic british press to provide you with information on it.
But I LIKE the rapidly Eurosceptic British Press!
Seriously Europe was a bad idea for the wealthist European nations, because when you try and share the wealth, the good dont drag the gak up, the gak just drag the good down. Generally speaking I firmly believe that poorly educated poor people are less pleasant than well educated relatively well off ones.
And I think that because I am poor.
Or to put it another way, I have met the man on the street, and he is an arsehole.
Spend 15 years on a council estate in Middlesbrough, and then tell me we should have opened the borders and let a few million more ignorant chavs from all of the poorest nations in Europe in. If immigrants to Britain all had good degrees we wouldn't have a problem, but we have enough rough as old boots illiterate council estate dwellers to deal with on our own, let alone dealing with all the poor and ignorant from around the world.
Obviously you can't say ALL rich or ALL poor are bad, and there are exceptions to the rule, but If I had to choose between being trapped in an elevator with 10 toffs (arrogant and annoying) or 10 chavs and pikeys (where do I start?) I would pick the irritating posh people every single time, and anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent time with both groups like I have. I was in a Chinese restaurant last year and saw some overt and disgusting racism aimed at the Chinese girl by three "travellers" that I haven't seen the like of in two decades, and Its not even uncommon with them, I know plenty because they drank in my local and Im telling you, if you actually get to know those people and it makes you start truly appreciating arrogant wealthy people a whole lot more!
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Da Boss wrote: Umm, you're wrong about that. France and Italy are two examples where the presumption of innocence is part of the constitution.
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Hey, all the hooligans aren't found on football grounds you know, some of them edit newspapers.
the Brit belief that we are the only ones who believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty is based on repetition rather than evidence. But the same newspapers who proclaim this seem to believe that foreigners are guilty unless proved otherwise, especially if they come over here after new laws are enacted which prevent recently arrived EU citizens from accessing free healthcare or benefits.
But hey, we created party politics as well as hooliganism, so them's the breaks.
mattyrm wrote: ... then tell me we should have opened the borders and let a few million more ignorant chavs from all of the poorest nations in Europe in....
Britain's immigration ups the birthrate - which, according to most economic experts, will make us richer than would otherwise be the case, and will helps the British economy overtake that of France as, for instance, this Telegraph report points out.
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Britain's immigration ups the birthrate - which, according to most economic experts, will make us richer than would otherwise be the case, and will helps the British economy overtake that of France as, for instance, this Telegraph report points out.
Yeah I read that yesterday, but who cares? The immortal "us" is a phrase that should hold little interest to any individual.
I dont care about us, I care about me. Its like when Americans brag about "we won the war" or "we have the most billonaires" what does that matter to a poor, homeless American with a starving child?
Britain now has more poor, more uneducated, and more inequality. I dont care about how strong econonimically "we" are, I care about not getting glassed on a night out, or not being burgled, and when you let several million poor people in from Eastern Europe, the chance of those things happening increases.
My mate was actually in the paper regarding this topic.
If it wasnt for the EU, my mate wouldn't have been assaulted by Crzecorz Fal, 24, Mateusz Wazny, 22, and Arqr Wazny, 25.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
If it wasnt for the EU, my mate wouldn't have been assaulted by Crzecorz Fal, 24, Mateusz Wazny, 22, and Arqr Wazny, 25.
So British people never beat others up? The EU has nothing to with that. I really do not believe there has been a increase in violence in Britain since it joined the EU. Immigration can be a problem, but generally it is the non-european immigrants who cause trouble. European immigrants usually have a similar culture and fit in really easily.
Also, please do not stereotype Eastern Europeans (Poles are actually Central Europeans btw). There are not 'several million' 'poor' 'eastern' Europeans coming your way. And they are not violent. There is no mass immigration from Central and Eastern Europe to Northern and Western Europe. That is a myth. Eastern Europe is also not 'poor'. It has a very decent standard of living. And Eastern Europeans are not more violent than any other Europeans. Your stereotyping is ignorant and very offensive, not to mention it is off topic.
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If it wasnt for the EU, my mate wouldn't have been assaulted by Crzecorz Fal, 24, Mateusz Wazny, 22, and Arqr Wazny, 25.
So British people never beat others up? The EU has nothing to with that. I really do not believe there has been a increase in violence in Britain since it joined the EU.
Immigration can be a problem, but generally it is the non-european immigrants who cause trouble. European immigrants usually have a similar culture and fit in really easily.
Also, please do not stereotype Eastern Europeans (Poles are actually Central Europeans btw). There are not 'several million' 'poor' 'eastern' Europeans coming your way. And they are not violent.
There is no mass immigration from Central and Eastern Europe to Northern and Western Europe. That is a myth. Eastern Europe is also not 'poor'. It has a very decent standard of living. And Eastern Europeans are not more violent than any other Europeans.
Your stereotyping is ignorant and very offensive, not to mention it is off topic.
It isn't ignorant, I am fully aware of all the facts, funny thing, doctors and lawyers aren't the people going around assaulting everyone, and funny thing, those are the types of people that our governments compel to stay put, while they encourage the poorly educated to leave, it isnt rocket science. I also specifically stated that Britain has its own fair share of poorly educated miscreants, I simply stated that it would be better if nations had a sensible approach to immigration by only allowing well educated or skilled people in the main.
It isn't incorrect either, I am fully aware of the facts, check the figures, go and see how many foreign people that have commited crimes in the UK have a PhD. Education and status are intrinsically linked to the likelihood of an individual resorting to criminal behavior. Many people are aware of this and believe that an open door movement poilicy EU wide is a bad idea, which is why slightly right of center parties are doing pretty well right across Europe.
Most importantly, I don't care if you find it offensive, because someone being offended is usually merely an attempt to get people to shut up. Its called democracy, deal with it.
You are correct in one way however, and that is that this discussion is entirely off topic, so If you want me to educate you, feel free to send me a PM.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Also, please do not stereotype Eastern Europeans (Poles are actually Central Europeans btw). There are not 'several million' 'poor' 'eastern' Europeans coming your way. And they are not violent.
There is no mass immigration from Central and Eastern Europe to Northern and Western Europe. That is a myth. Eastern Europe is also not 'poor'. It has a very decent standard of living. And Eastern Europeans are not more violent than any other Europeans.
Your stereotyping is ignorant and very offensive, not to mention it is off topic.
You are correct. Apologies for this BS... most Brits are not as ignorant as this, altho sadly the number is growing thanks to relentless propaganda, much of it from the Daily Mail - the newspaper which supported Hitler and Moseley: "Hurrah for the Blackshirts."
Also, please do not stereotype Eastern Europeans (Poles are actually Central Europeans btw). There are not 'several million' 'poor' 'eastern' Europeans coming your way. And they are not violent.
There is no mass immigration from Central and Eastern Europe to Northern and Western Europe. That is a myth. Eastern Europe is also not 'poor'. It has a very decent standard of living. And Eastern Europeans are not more violent than any other Europeans.
Your stereotyping is ignorant and very offensive, not to mention it is off topic.
You are correct. Apologies for this BS... most Brits are not as ignorant as this
Considering everything you have written is factually incorrect, how does that make other people ignorant?
There has been enormous net migration from Poland to the UK, it is a fact.
There are many thousands of Polish people now in prison in the UK, this is also a fact, many of them have even made national headlines, this is also a fact. Not just the gang that attacked my mate, why two of those lovely people even beat and starved a little boy to death, this is also a fact, read the BBC website, or The Guardian.
The EU was all about redistributing wealth to prevent conflict in Europe, Its a fact.
So its a great thing for Romania, and a bad thing for Germany.
All clearly and obviously correct, where is the ignorance? You take stuff from the rich, and give it to the less rich, and then nobody invades anyone for resources, perfectly logical.
At no point was I attempting to bully Poland or say they are worse than the British, I said It was all about class and status over nationality, in that a poor Brit is more likely to be a criminal than a middle class Brit, and it is the same with every other nation on earth, I just had to pick a country so I picked one, and the eastern Europeans I was referring to are Hungary and Romania (South Eastern Europe, bordering on the Black Sea to be precise) who I am certain will not "enrich and revitalise the UK" because funny thing, all of the well educated Romanians with good jobs are not desperate to get council houses in rough estates in Britain.
I note you didnt answer my question, what do I personally get out of letting unskilled and uneducated people move freely across the continent? Not "we" as in, the economy as a whole in a decade, I mean "me" as in me and my kids, because I am struggling to see the plus points of crowded schools, crowded hospitals, and unskilled workers on a personal level.
I also have to say, why always the Daily Mail? Like "If I mention the Daily Mail, I dont even have to answer anyone!"
I mainly read the BBC website, The Telegraph, and The Guardian, I even, would probably not vote to leave the EU at all, I just don't subscribe to the blind adoration of the EU project, and willfully ignore any and all negatives of the idea and think we need to take a look at how we allow people to move and settle.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: Could you post this claptrap somewhere else? It has nothing to do with this thread.
Yes, It isn't claptrap if its factually correct, I note you didnt even retort via PM, so how about you stop being needlessly inflammatory, and stop replying to questions with questions and then we can get back on topic yes?
On Topic, everybody thinks getting too easily offended about things is silly...
Which is very apt eh?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Page and paragraph number for the Codex entry that describes Orks as "British football hooligans". Furthermore, don't get so bloody offended about nothing.
Finally; yes. Because Orks often speak Spanish, French, or whatever, and not "OI, GET INNA TRUKK YA GITS, WE GOTS HUMIE 'EADS TA BASH IN WIT A BRICK". In actuality, this is Imperial propaganda to make people discriminate against us poor, poor, downtrodden British people and our oppressed slack-jawed idiot populace who happen to be fans of football. Orks are known to shout such things as "Mi aerodeslizador está lleno de anguilas! WAAAAAAAAGHÉ!".
EDIT: It's neither factually correct or on topic. Hivefleet was hardly being "inflammatory", especially not in the face of all this absurdity about whose football fans are the worst.
EDIT2:
mattyrm wrote: how about you stop being needlessly inflammatory, and stop replying to questions with questions and then we can get back on topic yes?
Response to a response which is a question with a response that is a question that also specially berates the previous responder for responding with questions.
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~4100
~1660
Or at least, in here the Netherlands that is.
Pure lies 
