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 Gutsnagga wrote:
I don't like this thread.

Why?

And why bother posting?


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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
provide a financial shot in the arm

I like the drugs analogy

I've not bought Escalation or Stronghold so if an updated version of the rules with those and the flyers stuff that came out a while back is released I would probably get it. An entire new edition? To be fair I play 40k because it involves hanging out with my mates and I can afford to buy new toys if I want to. So yeah, I would probably get that too.

What I really want though is a new ork codex. Please?

 Selym wrote:

 Gutsnagga wrote:
I don't like this thread.

Why?

And why bother posting?

I don't like it much either - it's a sucky one-line rumour and people are getting pretty anxious about it, which is manifesting as some upset-sounding posts. It's a better contribution than restating one of the same two positions we've heard all night.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Gutsnagga wrote:
I don't like this thread.

Why?

And why bother posting?

I don't like it much either - it's a sucky one-line rumour and people are getting pretty anxious about it, which is manifesting as some upset-sounding posts. It's a better contribution than restating one of the same two positions we've heard all night.

The anxiety feeds itself. We're a community whose voice bounces off their walls and yet not a gosh darn reply from inside their HQ has manifested itself insofar that perhaps at store or face book monitor there are people willing enough to insert their opinion on the matter.

But those who make the decisions at GW fail to realize that they're going to price themselves out of their own market the more they hike prices up, the more that they add more supplements and additions to the game, and the more competition willing to fight them in the arena for the hearts and minds of their customers; customers they're more than willing to listen from in order to make their games better (not be beholden to them but listen and respond).

I would be happy with this, very happy with this.

My hope is that the reason why 6th Edition was so poorly written and implimented...with clunky rules that obviously weren't tested to any real degree...was because another portion of their better rules writers were working on a complete rework of the game that is 7th Edition.

It would be one way to explain the terribad rules 6th has obviously forced out....

....although it was more likely just GW being the feth-tards they are.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
My hope is that the reason why 6th Edition was so poorly written and implimented...with clunky rules that obviously weren't tested to any real degree...was because another portion of their better rules writers were working on a complete rework of the game that is 7th Edition.

It would be one way to explain the terribad rules 6th has obviously forced out....

....although it was more likely just GW being the feth-tards they are.

No, GW does test things, but not extensively nor to the degree of trying to break the game that the community does. Just because it doesn't meet the standards of what we think it should be doesn't mean they don't test.

Sounds like they are hitting the kool aid a bit too much for thier own good.

The "Rumor" sounds like gak to me.

The better rumor is-

The Pan Fo will not be denied!!!!

That can't be right (I hope )

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
My hope is that the reason why 6th Edition was so poorly written and implimented...with clunky rules that obviously weren't tested to any real degree...was because another portion of their better rules writers were working on a complete rework of the game that is 7th Edition.

It would be one way to explain the terribad rules 6th has obviously forced out....

....although it was more likely just GW being the feth-tards they are.

No, GW does test things, but not extensively nor to the degree of trying to break the game that the community does. Just because it doesn't meet the standards of what we think it should be doesn't mean they don't test.

So in other words, "not tested to any real degree", which is what he said.

I just don't see the importance in making the distinction. Whether you say "GW doesn't test" or "GW sucks at testing" it kinda gets the same point across, that their testing (or lack thereof) is ineffectual.

If there is a new box with updated rules/added rules that begs the question what's in the box. My guess orks and SM maybe.

Possibly assault on black reach was a good seller for GW and they want to go back to the classic ork VS SM?

Really not wishing here, could be orks VS guard. Now I am wishing.

That said if it is either it will be a price gouge that I can't buy into.

its not a 7th Edition its just going to be a deluxe collectors 6th edition version that is a v2 with all the corrections and clarifications from the FAQs + integration of Escalation and Stronghold rules just like the new CSM collector edition that was released before xmas.

There will be a White Dwarf insert with the Rules replacements for the old 6th ed rulebook followed by a D/L PDF of it. Just rules no missions and fluff and a re release of the 6th Ed rule book the month following with the new rules replacing the older fortification rules. So its not WH40K 7th Ed its really just going to be WH40K 6th Ed v2 or Reloaded.

 ceorron wrote:

Really not wishing here, could be orks VS guard. Now I am wishing.

Plz yes. I could do with a £40 - £50 box of cheapo IG and Orks. I'd get a booster for my Landsharks, and then be able to trade the Orks with my orky friend who also has some IG.

REDEATH, do you have a source, or are you also speculating? Because a lot of people have said the same thing already. It's very plausible.

The only counterargument seems to be that rolling the books into one would reduce the return GW can make on the other books - which isn't exactly an airtight way of thinking. For one thing, if they put all the supplementary stuff in the BRB, competitive players will either need to buy the supplements or buy the new BRB anyway, so one way or another GW wouldn't really lose out. They'd stand to have less uptake of the new stuff if they left it as supplementary.

bring back good honest CC and stop the stupid turtling up that seems to be the name of the game atm :(

if they do a 7th and its actually balanced across the board peeps would embrace it with arms wind open (apart from probably the ones that are never happy)

But I cant see it happening. My money would be on a deluxe rulebook if the rumour has any basis in reality anyways

 Lutharr101 wrote:
if they do a 7th and its actually balanced across the board peeps would embrace it with arms wind open (apart from probably the ones that are never happy)

That's pretty unfair. A lot of people have expressed ITT why they wouldn't be too happy if a whole new edition was released already. Why don't you read some of their posts before writing them all off as "people who are never happy"?

 Bull0 wrote:

 Lutharr101 wrote:
if they do a 7th and its actually balanced across the board peeps would embrace it with arms wind open (apart from probably the ones that are never happy)

That's pretty unfair. A lot of people have expressed ITT why they wouldn't be too happy if a whole new edition was released already. Why don't you read some of their posts before writing them all off as "people who are never happy"?

I'd be quite pissed at GW if they moved right on up to 7th. Partly because players who joined recently, and were told that the rulebook cycle would leave them with a good 4 years left in 6th, would have been wallet-punched by GW.

But, after the initial rage, I'd do a sneaky-sneaky for those 7th -ed rules.

I'm not going to reward GW for a failing to be competent.

My two photoshoop cents.

A new boxed set could keep things interesting. Dark Vengeance is the worst boxed set of 40k yet. Unless you play as The Fallen, then it's a damn fine army box. The minis are nice, just very specifically Dark Angels and not any space marine chapter. So right there you cut your sales by...i don't know...90%. Looking at my ltd Rogue Trader poster gets me thinking that a Space Marines (Crimson Fists) vs Orks with the OG 40k image on the cover would be sickening. Maybe this will be the mythical "Inquisition" boxed set. Inquisitors vs Daemons box would be awesome. Or Ordo Xenos vs Genestealer Cult could be cool. Before I get excited tho....none of this is happening. Revamped Uber BRB sounds right. Escalation and Siege will not be included. I predict the new book to be $100 and the core book will be released a few months later for $75.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the rumor that GW is positioning itself to be sold.

Perhaps this rumour has been planted by GW to smoke out the person leaking information? GW has kept a tight lid on their info and the leaks must be chaffing someone in management pretty hard.

I think it is interesting that some people think that GW is 1) interested in fixing problems that players perceive and that 2) the design studio is actually capable of fixing the huge morass of rules that 40k has become.

 Formosa wrote:
What I was told is that IF there was a new 7th ed it would be out after all the codex's are out, I was told this was to allow for a flat reboot and put all armies on an equal footing in regards to the core rules, doubt its true but it's what I was told

I was just thinking the exact same thing.

Sounds like it could be a "special edition bundle" Like the C:SM "Ultima Edition" and that CSM bundle, could just be one big rule book with all the new rule sets in with one obscne price tag which they'll justify with "Original Artwork" and added fluff

Kinda defeats the whole purpose of a "limited" edition if GW can just print another run when the last one sells out.

They've done that with "ltd ed" minis for a while now. Such as the plasma gun Inquisitor among others. Nothing new there.

WarOne wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Gutsnagga wrote:
I don't like this thread.

Why?

And why bother posting?

I don't like it much either - it's a sucky one-line rumour and people are getting pretty anxious about it, which is manifesting as some upset-sounding posts. It's a better contribution than restating one of the same two positions we've heard all night.

The anxiety feeds itself. We're a community whose voice bounces off their walls and yet not a gosh darn reply from inside their HQ has manifested itself insofar that perhaps at store or face book monitor there are people willing enough to insert their opinion on the matter.

But those who make the decisions at GW fail to realize that they're going to price themselves out of their own market the more they hike prices up, the more that they add more supplements and additions to the game, and the more competition willing to fight them in the arena for the hearts and minds of their customers; customers they're more than willing to listen from in order to make their games better (not be beholden to them but listen and respond).

People said that 20 years ago. Then 15 years ago. Then 10 years ago. Still today they say it, yet their player base is bigger now than it was during any of those stretches. Even during the LotR "bubble" from 2001-2003.

Model for model, GW isn't even the most expensive company in the genre. The start-up cost is ridiculous for swarm armies like Skaven or Tyranids, but there are ways into the game which aren't terrible. Some of these new bundles are pretty good as well.

Anyway, I'm still willing to bet this is just another starter deal like Dark Vengeance, with perhaps an updated book.

As to the lack of close combat in this edition: we really can't conclude that it's dead. Tyranids and Orks still have their books on the way, which could tip a few scales and shake up the meta. To a lesser extent, Space Wolves and Blood Angels, as well as a potential supplement for Khorne/World Eaters could all be on the way soon too. Their codices will have as much bearing on the success of CC-based armies as the BRB ever could.

 brassangel wrote:


People said that 20 years ago. Then 15 years ago. Then 10 years ago. Still today they say it, yet their player base is bigger now than it was during any of those stretches. Even during the LotR "bubble" from 2001-2003.

Citation needed. Revenue is flat, more or less, when adjusted for inflation, prices have increased. That isn't an indication of more players than ever buying models to my eye.

Anecdotally, just under two years ago my local club was de facto GW exclusive, it now probably at best takes up 50% of tables each week, for a while this year it was a bit of a challenge to get a pick up game, things have swung back a little bit now, as we've got some new guys started in the last few weeks, but one wonders how long before their heads are turned by other systems, like others before them.

Model for model, GW isn't even the most expensive company in the genre. The start-up cost is ridiculous for swarm armies like Skaven or Tyranids, but there are ways into the game which aren't terrible. Some of these new bundles are pretty good as well.

Anyway, I'm still willing to bet this is just another starter deal like Dark Vengeance, with perhaps an updated book.

This is just one of those arguments where people twist the facts to suit their agenda, model to model is a really poor comparison when games require wildly different numbers of models to play a standard game.

As to the lack of close combat in this edition: we really can't conclude that it's dead. Tyranids and Orks still have their books on the way, which could tip a few scales and shake up the meta. Their codices will have as much bearing on the success of CC-based armies as the BRB ever could.

I'm interested to see your ideas that will allow Nids or Orks to overcome the shooting power of Taudar without utterly breaking the game?

Doubt that will happen- I mean, IG, Orks, DE, Necrons lack an actual 6th ed codex, and while that didn't stop GW in the past, you will simply have the normal problem of having 1-2 codex build around 7th ed rules while the rest would now be 'lacking' thanks to different rules and all that jazz.

 azreal13 wrote:

I'm interested to see your ideas that will allow Nids or Orks to overcome the shooting power of Taudar without utterly breaking the game?

being able to charge on the turn you arrive would be a welcome start. Imagine a deep strike that didnt have to just die etc

 azreal13 wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

As to the lack of close combat in this edition: we really can't conclude that it's dead. Tyranids and Orks still have their books on the way, which could tip a few scales and shake up the meta. Their codices will have as much bearing on the success of CC-based armies as the BRB ever could.

I'm interested to see your ideas that will allow Nids or Orks to overcome the shooting power of Taudar without utterly breaking the game?

Improved Fear that forces a leadership test to deny overwatch or something similar? Venomthropes make a grenade and Night Fighting cloud(Yeah, I know-black sun filters)? One or two units that assault after deepstriking(that deny a unit overwatch)? Heck, just being able to tie up a Riptide for a turn wouldn't be too bad.

On topic- I'm going to bandwagon on the repackaged 6th, they may even pull a DnD 3.5 and update a few things. Heck, I would probably buy it just so I wouldn't have to keep looking at the errata...