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They'll have to rebox a TON of stuff if it's true. Which makes me highly suspicious. But yeah, horrendous name. Adeptus Militant, or something, maybe. Astra... stars? Star Army? Come on, that's terrible even by the low bar we currently have

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Well, they don't really, it could be called that but still have 'imperial guard' units within it. It could include Navy, knight houses, arbites, underhive militia (very unlikely mind) etc etc which aren't technically imperial guard, all rolled into one codex.

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I wonder if the Knights (I vaguely recall those from old White Dwarfs... like robots but smaller than titans?) will be a separate army or like part of the IG--I mean, Astra Militarium army.

An army of Imperial robot-things sounds like it'd be fun, honestly. Or, rather, Renegade Houses from the HH days which are also known to exist

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Fluff-wise, they're very much independent but work closely with the Titan Legions (hence the common misconception that they are actually a Titan)

So they would fit better with an Ad Mech faction, should one exist, but they wouldn't break the fluff included in any Imperial-centric force.

Personally, I think they'd be best as a Lord Of War for Sisters, IG and any Marine faction, but given recent releases, they could be a HS choice for an Imperial Army based book.

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I have to say if they turn out to be an actual army... that might entice me to play even with the cost because the temptation to do a red/gold Knight house with a lion sigil that is extremely manipulative would be too difficult to overcome....

However, it is more likely that they are an addition or something, since it seems they would be too powerful on their own since they are supposed to be pretty powerful in the fluff from what I'm reading.

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The BOLS/Faeit Gakky Rumor Echo Chamber has been in rare form lately. Personally I don't buy a new Starter Set without a new edition (not 6th with minor tweaks) for a second.
   
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 Zweischneid wrote:
 Bull0 wrote:
 Zweischneid wrote:


Either way, 40K Radio has at least 3 very specific, very unique rumours out atm

....

- Imperial Guard renamed into "Astra Militarum"...


Oh come on, what the feth? That's got to be bs? Are they saying Imperial Guard isn't copyrightable so let's give them the shittiest name we can think of instead?


Presumably, yeah. SoB > Adepta Sororitas style


Sisters always had the Soroitas version of the name, even if it did mainly appear in the fluff. 'Astra whateverthefeth' would be new ...and appalling. Man, I hope they're making this up.



 
   
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 azreal13 wrote:
Fluff-wise, they're very much independent but work closely with the Titan Legions (hence the common misconception that they are actually a Titan)

So they would fit better with an Ad Mech faction, should one exist, but they wouldn't break the fluff included in any Imperial-centric force.

Personally, I think they'd be best as a Lord Of War for Sisters, IG and any Marine faction, but given recent releases, they could be a HS choice for an Imperial Army based book.


There's another possibility of course; we've seen with the Iron Hands fluff-butchery recently that whoever's running the show on the background right now has evidently decided existing fluff is now completely expendable if it makes life easier for the studio to change things, they could well gut the AdMech's background too and just rewrite them so they raise Guard regiments like any other Imperial planet, integrate the Knights into the normal Imperial military, and thus have all the excuse they need to cram all of it into one book with much less effort.

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the death company are already stuffed with detail. i dont know if i even want to see the new starter box ones.

making new blood angels when they already have a full range would be pretty stupid.
   
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 Zweischneid wrote:
Do you really think they "repeat" Hastings? They might simply have a similar schedule. If it is (more or less) correct, it's not surprising that there are similarities.

Yes, I think they repeated Hastings schedule and tried to give specific dates. Nothing to be ashamed about, as every decent rumour monger trusted Hastings' schedule. Too bad he doesn't post rumours or schedules anymore.

Their own source in October just said that there were no Dwarfs in February , (diverging from everyone's standard assumption and botching it)

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 Bull0 wrote:
 Zweischneid wrote:


Either way, 40K Radio has at least 3 very specific, very unique rumours out atm

....

- Imperial Guard renamed into "Astra Militarum"...


Oh come on, what the feth? That's got to be bs? Are they saying Imperial Guard isn't copyrightable so let's give them the shittiest name we can think of instead?


I actually like this change, if it applies to the other Imperial Factions. It should stop all that copyright nonsense, like GW trying to claim they own "space marine"

Imperial Guard is also a fairly generic term. Not many factions called Astra Militarum though.

Whether or not it sounds good though is up for debate

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Really? You want Battle of the Farm back. Yeck.


Sort of. I'd like to see a revamp, and something along the lines of the campaign from the 6th edition game. They almost got it right, but then started going off the deep end with the excess.
For What it's worth, RT was a lark of a book. The stuff in there was overly detailed to the point of RPG realms.

I'm not going to say that doing that would be the best idea, but it sure as heck would be better then what is going on now.

A small scale pick up game, with a couple of figures, and some scenerios that add on as you move forward, such as with 4-5th.

6th was OTT-"Give me your firstborn children!!" realm of shockingly bad selections for introductory armies. New players? You want to give a new player chaos, and ... DARK ANGELS.

This was supposed to be an "Introduction", so a base couple squad on squad was acceptable. It is just when little timmy has to go back down to the shops and sell a gak load of his organs for the clank to buy a couple of additional models.... They pretty much shoot themselves in the face.

The old school base "Battle of the Farm" was supposed to be a mini "Rourkes Drift" thing. It wasn't that bad, considering it was new at the time.

Do something like that today with 5 marines, and a10 man squads of cultists, and crank them out for 20 bucks a pop. Instant hit.

Then you could crank out the same sorts of 20 bucks a pop sets with some IG and Nids. 10 man squad and a LT Vs 10 gaunts, and a warrior. Tau, 10 vs 10 Necrons.

Make a couple of different sets with the pretty battle pic on the fornt, ala the BL books.

make them cheap, sell alot.


This sounds like an actual intelligent business plan that could please customers for once and yield decent sales. You're clearly not a GW exec, are you?

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endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Well, they don't really, it could be called that but still have 'imperial guard' units within it. It could include Navy, knight houses, arbites, underhive militia (very unlikely mind) etc etc which aren't technically imperial guard, all rolled into one codex.


Y'know this sounds plausible. Something like the old Armies of the Imperium set for Epic.

 
   
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 Bull0 wrote:
They'll have to rebox a TON of stuff if it's true. Which makes me highly suspicious. But yeah, horrendous name. Adeptus Militant, or something, maybe. Astra... stars? Star Army? Come on, that's terrible even by the low bar we currently have

Well, they've got a new boxing scheme so I don't think that's a big problem. I don't know how many units that weren't just new kits got the new box art scheme, but I don't think it would be an issue. I don't buy that rumor anyway though.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Imperial Guard is also a fairly generic term. Not many factions called Astra Militarum though.

That's quitter talk. It means that GW would rather retreat to a bad name with no brand recognition than keep an awesome name (The Imperial Guard!) they've been using for decades just because they might have to share.

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:/ not overly bothered about the rules of the game; I only play once in a blue moon anyway hehe.

Would like a new boxed set with a bunch of cool models at a decent price ; ala Dark Vengeance, Assault on Black Reach etc etc.

My 2 cents; Do it GW... Do it now!
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At least Astra Militarum is easier to pronounce than Adeptus Sororitas. Kinda.

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I think it'll be very sad if the reason for Astra Whatevera is because GW can't trademark "Imperial Guard".

The Guard are the Guard.


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 Ravajaxe wrote:
Well, saying that thread has chilled out last weeks is an understatement, however latest discussions were about which armies were going to fit in the next starter box, and here are some fresh news.
From Bell of Lost souls, Larry Vela :

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Launch Window - @September
Rules Summary : Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70


Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)

Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- 'Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification

This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically "NOT 7th Edition."
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Now there is some new flow in the rumormill.


Id be Orky with that

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 AlexHolker wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Imperial Guard is also a fairly generic term. Not many factions called Astra Militarum though.

That's quitter talk. It means that GW would rather retreat to a bad name with no brand recognition than keep an awesome name (The Imperial Guard!) they've been using for decades just because they might have to share.


I guess Napolean I as well as nearly every other Empire in history owes GW royalties then, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard

Brand Recognition doesn't work if the term is so generic that trying to defend it just makes you look like the bad guy.

There's nothing stopping them to refer the Astra Militarum as Imperial Guard. That is a description. What they can't do is pounce on anyone who dares to use Imperial Guard themselves, for legal nonsense. That's a good thing.

Is the name good? Eh, they good do better, imo. It's still better than having a liability in their IP.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I guess Napolean I as well as nearly every other Empire in history owes GW royalties then, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard

Brand Recognition doesn't work if the term is so generic that trying to defend it just makes you look like the bad guy.

See Space Marine.

There's nothing stopping them to refer the Astra Militarum as Imperial Guard. That is a description. What they can't do is pounce on anyone who dares to use Imperial Guard themselves, for legal nonsense. That's a good thing.

Brand recognition =/= an enforceable trademark. A trademark is useful but not essential for brand recognition. For example, xerox has fallen into general use and is thus likely unenforceable as a trademark, but Xerox would be complete idiots if they did not see any advantage in literally being the name in photocopying.

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Nevermind, a bit of a faux pas on my part. I had a closer look at the Trade Mark info, and it turns out Imperial Guard is not, in fact, listed.
Space Marine and Inquisitor is (and those should be renamed), but not IG. Making everything I said completely pointless

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Space Marine and Inquisitor is (and those should be renamed), but not IG


Explain why Space Marine and Inquisitor should be renamed?

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 Bull0 wrote:
They'll have to rebox a TON of stuff if it's true. Which makes me highly suspicious.



All the guard boxes have the old art/display on the front.

They'll be be swapped over to the new format so....

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 Bull0 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Space Marine and Inquisitor is (and those should be renamed), but not IG


Explain why Space Marine and Inquisitor should be renamed?
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Space Marine is obvious - It is a generic term that has been used many times before in fiction, and as such it wouldn't be right to lay claim to it. They already have a high Gothic name for them anyway - "Adeptus Astartes"

Same idea with Inquisitor.

Alternatively, they could just remove those from the trademark page. That would be a preferable solution to renaming.

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Oh, yeah. They might aswell not bother trademarking them. I just don't think they need to rename them. I didn't realise by "they should rename those things" you meant "they should stop trying to enforce trademark on those things", but not "they should rename those things".

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 Bull0 wrote:
Oh, yeah. They might aswell not bother trademarking them. I just don't think they need to rename them. I didn't realise by "they should rename those things" you meant "they should stop trying to enforce trademark on those things", but not "they should rename those things".


Ah yes, my apologies. I worded it poorly. I'm full of errors today.

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They had the chance to find/replace Space Marine with Adeptus Astartes in the recently released Codex and they didn't. I don't see them doing it to the Guard.

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