Darkseid wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I have half a mind to create my own rumors blog. The strategy would be to comb sites like Dakka and figure out the things forum goers want to see most. Then I'd build the rumors around those and watch the traffic spike. It's all about confirming people's desires.

Just blog about Chaos Legions getting a codex / supplements / miniatures. The clicks will soar in no time.

 Bull0 wrote:


Remember those cult terminators we totally got? Etc

 Bull0 wrote:
Joke all you want, but when Q1 2013 rolls around and I'm uploading photos of my painted Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, you're gonna feel so stupi... wait...

 Archonate wrote:
I hoped the day would never come when GW realizes that the one thing every 40k player will buy, no matter how laughably expensive it is, is a new 40k rulebook. Brace yourselves for annual reprintings.

 Anpu42 wrote:

You say that like it is a bad thing. Yes it will eat into your budget, but it also means that they have a chance every year to fix things a little.
Yes I know that they have had a bad record of making things worse, but it also means that some new guy buys their book and then shows up and finds he has spent his money on something that he as to go and get an FAQ with.
What this also means [maybe] is the Didgital Rules will get constant updates, this might actualy make me get the Didgital Rules.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

You say that like it is a bad thing. Yes it will eat into your budget, but it also means that they have a chance every year to fix things a little.
Yes I know that they have had a bad record of making things worse, but it also means that some new guy buys their book and then shows up and finds he has spent his money on something that he as to go and get an FAQ with.
What this also means [maybe] is the Didgital Rules will get constant updates, this might actualy make me get the Didgital Rules.

Well if they did a digital rulebook that you bought once and didn't have to buy again, and they continued to update it and balance it, I'm pretty sure 90% of people here would praise that as a good thing (or at least, take a few minutes longer than average to come up with a scathing criticism). But that's never going to happen. I'm still skeptical that this 7th ed is happening, and think a definitive 6th edition with escalation bundled in is more plausible, but if it does happen then that will be the dam breaking and we will most likely see annual books from then on. Say what you want about FAQs, but I'll take a free FAQ over a £60 book with minor changes any day of the week.

 Theophony wrote:

Not to mention that they'll redo all the codex each year as well of course without proof reading so lull have to buy the .1 version the next year

 WarOne wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Well, 40K Radio got some more attention again.

They garter this attention only because GW is so inept.

To be fair, we keep indulging GW in its lingerie of horrors from Matt Ward all the way to its money gouging tactics.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
I hoped the day would never come when GW realizes that the one thing every 40k player will buy, no matter how laughably expensive it is, is a new 40k rulebook. Brace yourselves for annual reprintings.

You say that like it is a bad thing. Yes it will eat into your budget, but it also means that they have a chance every year to fix things a little.
Yes I know that they have had a bad record of making things worse, but it also means that some new guy buys their book and then shows up and finds he has spent his money on something that he as to go and get an FAQ with.
What this also means [maybe] is the Didgital Rules will get constant updates, this might actualy make me get the Didgital Rules.

 mwnciboo wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
I hoped the day would never come when GW realizes that the one thing every 40k player will buy, no matter how laughably expensive it is, is a new 40k rulebook. Brace yourselves for annual reprintings.

You say that like it is a bad thing. Yes it will eat into your budget, but it also means that they have a chance every year to fix things a little.
Yes I know that they have had a bad record of making things worse, but it also means that some new guy buys their book and then shows up and finds he has spent his money on something that he as to go and get an FAQ with.
What this also means [maybe] is the Didgital Rules will get constant updates, this might actualy make me get the Didgital Rules.

Got to say fella, you are living in cloud- coukoo-land if you think any future release or new edition would solve all of the problems. The key fact is that their rules are so complex, that any change positive or negative would break something. So it would be an endless perpetual problem it's kind of like 40k in that regard, nothing gets better or worse it just continues.

 azreal13 wrote:
I was playing against Guard with a relatively new player, and as I'm Marines or Daemons, several rules cropped up that I wasn't particularly familiar with, so we needed to reference the rulebook. I'd never realised what a mess of cross referencing and page flipping the rules were until now, sure, I was familiar with a few problems inherent to some of the mechanics, but simply laying out the rulebook in a more logical, concise manner, and perhaps cut/pasting key rules points or page numbers when referencing other rules or mechanics would make a hell of a difference to play speed.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I was playing against Guard with a relatively new player, and as I'm Marines or Daemons, several rules cropped up that I wasn't particularly familiar with, so we needed to reference the rulebook. I'd never realised what a mess of cross referencing and page flipping the rules were until now, sure, I was familiar with a few problems inherent to some of the mechanics, but simply laying out the rulebook in a more logical, concise manner, and perhaps cut/pasting key rules points or page numbers when referencing other rules or mechanics would make a hell of a difference to play speed.

Imagine playing with a French rulebook where all the USR are presented in the alphabetical order… of the English name of the rule !

 azreal13 wrote:
I played a small game last night that really brought home to me exactly how much the playability of the game could be improved just by giving the rulebook a good edit, without changing the actual functionality of any rules at all.

I was playing against Guard with a relatively new player, and as I'm Marines or Daemons, several rules cropped up that I wasn't particularly familiar with, so we needed to reference the rulebook. I'd never realised what a mess of cross referencing and page flipping the rules were until now, sure, I was familiar with a few problems inherent to some of the mechanics, but simply laying out the rulebook in a more logical, concise manner, and perhaps cut/pasting key rules points or page numbers when referencing other rules or mechanics would make a hell of a difference to play speed.

These weren't rules disputes, this was merely clarifying things neither of us were sure of, and it still probably added 20 minutes over the course of the game (not to mention interrupting the flow)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I was playing against Guard with a relatively new player, and as I'm Marines or Daemons, several rules cropped up that I wasn't particularly familiar with, so we needed to reference the rulebook. I'd never realised what a mess of cross referencing and page flipping the rules were until now, sure, I was familiar with a few problems inherent to some of the mechanics, but simply laying out the rulebook in a more logical, concise manner, and perhaps cut/pasting key rules points or page numbers when referencing other rules or mechanics would make a hell of a difference to play speed.

Imagine playing with a French rulebook where all the USR are presented in the alphabetical order… of the English name of the rule !

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I was playing against Guard with a relatively new player, and as I'm Marines or Daemons, several rules cropped up that I wasn't particularly familiar with, so we needed to reference the rulebook. I'd never realised what a mess of cross referencing and page flipping the rules were until now, sure, I was familiar with a few problems inherent to some of the mechanics, but simply laying out the rulebook in a more logical, concise manner, and perhaps cut/pasting key rules points or page numbers when referencing other rules or mechanics would make a hell of a difference to play speed.

Imagine playing with a French rulebook where all the USR are presented in the alphabetical order… of the English name of the rule !

If they weren't a billion dollars, I kind of want to get a French rulebook out of morbid curiosity. Multi-language releases, however, by companies without much market share in the related regions are always a bit troubling. For instance, I love reading the French side of Starbucks ads; I think they just used google translate without so much as asking anyone what the phrase actually meant.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I was playing against Guard with a relatively new player, and as I'm Marines or Daemons, several rules cropped up that I wasn't particularly familiar with, so we needed to reference the rulebook. I'd never realised what a mess of cross referencing and page flipping the rules were until now, sure, I was familiar with a few problems inherent to some of the mechanics, but simply laying out the rulebook in a more logical, concise manner, and perhaps cut/pasting key rules points or page numbers when referencing other rules or mechanics would make a hell of a difference to play speed.

Imagine playing with a French rulebook where all the USR are presented in the alphabetical order… of the English name of the rule !

 kronk wrote:
This is great newsTM! Now you can translate the words into English and work on vocabulary for School!

 Kosake wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

Not to mention that they'll redo all the codex each year as well of course without proof reading so lull have to buy the .1 version the next year

Bah. That's really a pain. How hard is it to let some intern proofread the damn codices? Every single thin GW releases has some basic spelling errors even friggin spellcheck could find. What's wrong with this company?

 cygnnus wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

Not to mention that they'll redo all the codex each year as well of course without proof reading so lull have to buy the .1 version the next year

Bah. That's really a pain. How hard is it to let some intern proofread the damn codices? Every single thin GW releases has some basic spelling errors even friggin spellcheck could find. What's wrong with this company?

Just a *tiny* bit o' irony there...

Valete,

JohnS

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
I hoped the day would never come when GW realizes that the one thing every 40k player will buy, no matter how laughably expensive it is, is a new 40k rulebook. Brace yourselves for annual reprintings.

You say that like it is a bad thing. Yes it will eat into your budget, but it also means that they have a chance every year to fix things a little.
Yes I know that they have had a bad record of making things worse, but it also means that some new guy buys their book and then shows up and finds he has spent his money on something that he as to go and get an FAQ with.
What this also means [maybe] is the Didgital Rules will get constant updates, this might actualy make me get the Didgital Rules.

 Elemental wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Archonate wrote:
I hoped the day would never come when GW realizes that the one thing every 40k player will buy, no matter how laughably expensive it is, is a new 40k rulebook. Brace yourselves for annual reprintings.

You say that like it is a bad thing. Yes it will eat into your budget, but it also means that they have a chance every year to fix things a little.
Yes I know that they have had a bad record of making things worse, but it also means that some new guy buys their book and then shows up and finds he has spent his money on something that he as to go and get an FAQ with.
What this also means [maybe] is the Didgital Rules will get constant updates, this might actualy make me get the Didgital Rules.

No, the only reason the rules aren't good is a lack of will. In thirteen plus years of basically the same system, it's well within the capacity of GW to write a balanced and user-friendly ruleset, and playtest it. Other rules systems have come much further in much less time, and with fewer editions.

 Anpu42 wrote:
And why shough they make a drastic change in the rules. Look at the big examples
>D&D 4th Edition: It came out after masive Playtesting giveing the Comunity what the Playtesting told them to do. And half of the Comunity Rejected it.
>WH40k 6th: They made maybe a 20%-30% change to the rules and precticaly receved death threats.
WotC has been contantly updating their rules though, some for the better, some for the worse, but becouse they went very Web Heavy Updades are common without having to change the base rules.
If GW were to do that it would be a better gaming envoroment. It is not lack of Will, it is lack of Encentive.

 warboss wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
And why shough they make a drastic change in the rules. Look at the big examples
>D&D 4th Edition: It came out after masive Playtesting giveing the Comunity what the Playtesting told them to do. And half of the Comunity Rejected it.
>WH40k 6th: They made maybe a 20%-30% change to the rules and precticaly receved death threats.
WotC has been contantly updating their rules though, some for the better, some for the worse, but becouse they went very Web Heavy Updades are common without having to change the base rules.
If GW were to do that it would be a better gaming envoroment. It is not lack of Will, it is lack of Encentive.

D&D 4e didn't come out the way it did because playtesting indicated it should but rather because the corporate side of WOTC wanted to justify it as $50 million dollar seller and the only way they thought they could do that is by making it more like video games that were raking in the money. When the electronic side of the 4e development failed to deliver almost anything like the virtual tabletop advertised, it was too late to change what was on the pnp side that was built to accompany it despite it being vastly different from what came before. There is a really interesting series of articles by someone who worked over at during that time over on enworld that explains what happened. Playtesting had very little outcome on what we saw with 4e as the game design parameters were set in stone long before playtesters rolled their dice. This also happened after the largely unnecessarily premature and disastrous to the OGL market 3.5 edition.

 Captain Avatar wrote:

If by crap you mean correctly scaled transports that have the detail, look and feel of GW's Sci-Fantasy armies.... then yeah

Seeing as the old Rhino was really closer to 15-20mm scale and that next to 15mm models looks balls on. I can see GW doing this and would have no problem with such. Remember, I'm talking about a 10-15 mm true scale reboot of epic where SM's would actually be 25% taller than IG models, not the old 6mm Epic.

40K Radio wrote:
So some exciting news. A listener of ours was at a GW store today that mistakenly received a shipment of some unreleased items. It was the plastic Ogryn kit. The rename is confirmed as they were called Militarum Auxillia. Boom! Nailed it.
-Rik