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GW trained people to stop buying every Codex.
GW trained people to unsubscribe the White Dwarf.
GW will train people to not buy the rulebook of every 40k edition.
Good job!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm more worried about another giant expensive hardback book. Given the time frame between 6th and 7th I have no incentive to buy 7th, especially if 8th has the same time frame.

Releasing new editions so close to one another. I don't like it.

tsr?

It's an interesting concept, that sales could suffer because, due to the expense of the product and the lack of promotion or 'leaks', people are now hesitant to buy, for fear of being immediately stung by a new release rending their product defunct.

GW does seem to be spiraling wildly out of their standard orbit atm.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm more worried about another giant expensive hardback book. Given the time frame between 6th and 7th I have no incentive to buy 7th, especially if 8th has the same time frame.

Releasing new editions so close to one another. I don't like it.

tsr?

Or T$R as they were noted in the past. They did 1 and 2nd edition of D&D before WotC took over (for 3rd edition I think).

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's an interesting concept, that sales could suffer because, due to the expense of the product and the lack of promotion or 'leaks', people are now hesitant to buy, for fear of being immediately stung by a new release rending their product defunct.

GW does seem to be spiraling wildly out of their standard orbit atm.

I think the problem here is that GW wouldn't see any of that that way. People won't be hesitant to buy because they are buying to collect and paint, not to play, and if sales do fall then will just charge more for it and profits stay the same (in the short term).

Oh wow... If 40K radio says so, I believe it. This is unbelievable, how can they possibly think this is a good idea? And in MAY?! That's less than a 2 year shelf life for 6th edition.

Maybe they troll forums, see all the negativity about 6th edition, and decided to do something about it...

Jesus, has 6th Edition honestly been THIS badly received? I mean I don't like a lot of the rules myself, but to basically have a whole new rulebook after only 2 years?

I would give anything to know what is going on at GW management meetings...

My feelings really depend on the motivation.

It's very easy to be cyncial with GW, but the fact is it appears that they are no longer making money the way they were. If 6th has really seen a decline in sales of product, everything hinges on whether 7th is a cynical cash grab or a genuine attempt to redirect their trajectory.

There are signs that the message is getting through, even if the execution of some of their ideas has been a little clumsy.

I'll remain neutral until we have some more idea of what is actually going to change, hell, they might make the most playable and fun edition of 40K ever completely by accident!

 azreal13 wrote:
My feelings really depend on the motivation.

It's very easy to be cyncial with GW, but the fact is it appears that they are no longer making money the way they were. If 6th has really seen a decline in sales of product, everything hinges on whether 7th is a cynical cash grab or a genuine attempt to redirect their trajectory.

There are signs that the message is getting through, even if the execution of some of their ideas has been a little clumsy.

I'll remain neutral until we have some more idea of what is actually going to change, hell, they might make the most playable and fun edition of 40K ever completely by accident!

Highly unlikely.

They are hitting new levels of desperation year by year, this edition change isn't because they want to fix anything, its to force everyone to buy another rulebook and invalidate the old stuff. The problem with all this dataslate bs is that updating it is a nightmare (see forgeworld) or its dropped off the face of the planet leaving you with piles of useless books.

GW is pulling a TSR and over saturating the game without care for how its played. They just want money.

what a bad decision, a year and a half is way too early to release a new edition. The only saving grace would be that they give a free errata pdf for the ones who have the 6th edition BRB. I wonder what theyll do with Dark vengeance ?

 Kroothawk wrote:
GW trained people to stop buying every Codex.
GW trained people to unsubscribe the White Dwarf.
GW will train people to not buy the rulebook of every 40k edition.
Good job!

Its almost like they are trying to throw so much out there that it will confuse their critics. In reality it just makes it impossible to learn and when combined with prohibitive prices, there wont be anyone new coming in. Morons are driving it into the ground.

I sincerely don't believe it, really. Given the lead time for development, printing, and so on, this would mean they were writing 7th edition by the time 6th edition was hitting the shelves.

I could have sworn that they said they would make a 6th edition codex for Every army.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Oh wow... If 40K radio says so, I believe it. This is unbelievable, how can they possibly think this is a good idea? And in MAY?! That's less than a 2 year shelf life for 6th edition.

It's actually only in one financial year. GW's recent catastrophic half-year financial report gave numbers for the 6 months up to December 1st. The full financial year thus seems to end on June 1st.

GW Financial Year July 2012 - May 2013 (includes 40K 6th Edition)
GW Financial Year July 2013 - May 2014 (allegedly includes 40K 7th Edition)

Have GW retconned June?

 azreal13 wrote:
Have GW retconned June?

It got eaten by nids.

Maybe 7th edition is a limited release while supply lasts, because there will be an 8th edition for Xmas

Hmm.

There are many problems with this, mostly come from GW's own policies though.

The biggest hurdle to 'the new version' is the cost of the rules for the 'last version' . £45 plus £30 minimum. Over 4 years, whilst it is still in my view too much for rules, its about justifiable over 18 months it's insane.

And pity the limited edition buyer. £80 for the big book. 18 months on its worth £10 or so (that is what I see 5th limiteds go for currently). Or the limited marine codex, worthless inside a year.

And how long will 7 last? Thats a question people will start asking BEFORE they hand over money this time.

It can serve no purpose other than a money grab, because its wider effect is so negative to the customer base. This is panic management at its most obvious, and although I've thought for a long time they have been on a slow downward spiral because of pricing policy and eschewing the wider markets appetite for smaller games, this is the first sign that makes me think its more than a slow decline.

The biggest problem is going to be that there's not much they can do with it to restore game balance, because most of the game balance issues have come from codices or D-weapons... and they're not going to do all-new codices for '7th'.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
The biggest problem is going to be that there's not much they can do with it to restore game balance, because most of the game balance issues have come from codices or D-weapons... and they're not going to do all-new codices for '7th'.

There are a lot of problems that come from having the codex releases and new editions uncoupled from each other, and this is one.

NoggintheNog wrote:

And pity the limited edition buyer. £80 for the big book. 18 months on its worth £10 or so (that is what I see 5th limiteds go for currently). Or the limited marine codex, worthless inside a year.

Why are we pitying people who buy the limited edition books? They're the same people that sort price high-low when they're shopping online. They're basically this raven

They've got money. On the other hand, maybe pity people who think something they've bought is "worthless" if a new one comes out. There's no rule that says you're not allowed to look at your previous edition book ever again once the new one's released. If you're playing with friends, unless your friends are dicks, they probably aren't going to mind if you don't rush out to buy the new book, either. Yeah, if you play in tournaments, you need a new one, but if you play in tournaments and you're serious about it there's a lot of stuff you have to buy to stay competitive, a new edition of your codex probably isn't going to make a dent.

NoggintheNog wrote:
And pity the limited edition buyer.

I always did, but the lifespan of the book has nothing to do with it.

They're coffee table books anyway. Most people on here that have bought a LE Rulebook said they also got a standard or mini one for actual gaming while they keep the LE just to drool over. So the money paid for a LE isn't any more wasted now than it was when the book came out.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Jesus, has 6th Edition honestly been THIS badly received? I mean I don't like a lot of the rules myself, but to basically have a whole new rulebook after only 2 years?

I would give anything to know what is going on at GW management meetings...

Well, i think it goes like this: couple of dudes sitting in front of their laptops, playing starcraft or something. Some are sleeping on the couch or boozing and the rest is throwing dice and check the table to decide what to do:

1. Decide to release a new edition
2. Go on forums and troll SoB players with rumours of new plastic Sororitas
3. Releasing a new FLGS policy, like "every store has to be open on monday 0800 but can reduce workload by being closed on weekends"
4. Decide on a payraise for the upper management
5. Send cease-and-desists to hobby sites, 3rd party suppliers and web comics
6. Release Errata, "fixing" things that weren't broken and worsening units that were allready bad
7.-14. Release some Space marine stuff
15, 16. Release something different from spacemarines but in a horrible form - examples: dataslate "ork boyz with two pistols" or "fire warriors with 2 CCW", supplement "2464th Cadian Light-Mediumweight Regiment, 16th company"...
17. Release something different from space marines but usefull
18. Release something for WHFB or think about maybe doing some specialist stuff
19. Increase the prices across the board
20. Do something usefull, for a change

It has to be a desperate cash grab, no other explanation. The fact the rumor says that they're going to be integrating superheavies into the rules indicates that they've learned nothing, since D-weapons is part of the problem not the solution. It would be nice if they improved Assault a bit since it's such crap compared to shooting now, but it sounds like they're going to consolidate all of the bad stuff instead of actually fixing it by making it opponent's permission or whatever.

I recall a prior rumor that was supposedly an interview with a GW contact that said something like their goal is to let you use all of the models you own in a game of 40k, so basically their view is if you buy it, you should be able to play it against anyone you want. That really seems to go hand in hand with making superheavies baseline in the book, so TOs can't easily ban them.

If all they've taken away from 6th edition's poor reception is that Assault needs to be more powerful and that some folks seem upset that TOs restrict the other books, then I don't think they've really learned why 6th edition sucks and are borderline delusional.

The again (and I'm playing devils advocate more than expressing my opinion here) they might readjust D weapon rules for standard 40K.

We really can't be sure of anything at this point, even if we take a new edition release as a given, a few changes could completely alter the landscape from what we have now.

 Kosake wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Jesus, has 6th Edition honestly been THIS badly received? I mean I don't like a lot of the rules myself, but to basically have a whole new rulebook after only 2 years?

I would give anything to know what is going on at GW management meetings...

Well, i think it goes like this: couple of dudes sitting in front of their laptops, playing starcraft or something. Some are sleeping on the couch or boozing and the rest is throwing dice and check the table to decide what to do:

1. Decide to release a new edition
2. Go on forums and troll SoB players with rumours of new plastic Sororitas
3. Releasing a new FLGS policy, like "every store has to be open on monday 0800 but can reduce workload by being closed on weekends"
4. Decide on a payraise for the upper management
5. Send cease-and-desists to hobby sites, 3rd party suppliers and web comics
6. Release Errata, "fixing" things that weren't broken and worsening units that were allready bad
7.-14. Release some Space marine stuff
15, 16. Release something different from spacemarines but in a horrible form - examples: dataslate "ork boyz with two pistols" or "fire warriors with 2 CCW", supplement "2464th Cadian Light-Mediumweight Regiment, 16th company"...
17. Release something different from space marines but usefull
18. Release something for WHFB or think about maybe doing some specialist stuff
19. Increase the prices across the board
20. Do something usefull, for a changeRoll again

ftfy

But in seriousness, it is really hard for me to believe that a new edition is going to be coming out so soon, even if 40k Radio is throwing it out there.

This would mean orks wouldn't get an update for 2 editions. Did any other faction ever jump two whole editions without a new codex?

Necrons and Dark Eldar.

Necrons were a third ed codex, updated in 5th ed (albeit right at the end of 5th) so they only jumped one whole edition.

Dark Eldar were the same. A 3rd ed codex updated in 5th (they waited a stoopid long time for their dex though as i think they were one of the first 3rd ed codexes, and one of the last 5th ed ones.. 1998 i think to 2010 - 12 years...

Orks were a 4th ed codex (near the end of 4th) who missed 5th, and if not updated before 6th ends will have missed 6th also, making them the only dex i know of to skip two editions entirely.