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 Fayric wrote:
They just released a supplement making good use of certain models in the DV box.
Perhaps that was a tactic to sell out most of the DV stock before putting it down.


Had that Idea a while ago. It makes sense. They have a use for the old starter box or at least the sprues and make room for the new edition in one go.


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 Harriticus wrote:
I eagerly await a few years from now when GW is really really desperate and we're getting new editions every other month.


We had this analysis somewhere allready. I think it was about 2018 or something, when you start your match with one edition and finish it with the rules for the next one.

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As a new guy to the crunch, can anyone tell me why experienced players are excited for the new starter set?

I mean I assume you guys all have your armies already, why buy the starter box?

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Wow... groundbreaking update. I would never have managed without it....

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 GuardStrider wrote:
As a new guy to the crunch, can anyone tell me why experienced players are excited for the new starter set?

I mean I assume you guys all have your armies already, why buy the starter box?


Because lots of (oftentimes new) models for comparatively cheap and you can even cut down the price further by selling the stuff you dont need (Templates, one of the included armies or just certain models...)

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 Ravajaxe wrote:
Up ! Because there are some moves behind the scene.


The Dark Vengence starter box may be removed from the stores in following days.
According to a Faeit212 source, this appears to be the case at least in Netherlands :

http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/03/confirmed-dark-vengeance-is-going-away.html

So these rumors of a new edition (7th or patched V6.5) appear to be more than a vaporous idea.
There is still no "confirmation" of the new starter box content.


This peaks my intrest.

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Or maybe GW has decided starter boxes are for 'peasants'

anybody who wants to play the 'best and only' game can afford to buy one click bundles and we're going to see some new ones with the full HB rulebook and codex bundled in too

 
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or maybe GW has decided starter boxes are for 'peasants'

anybody who wants to play the 'best and only' game can afford to buy one click bundles and we're going to see some new ones with the full HB rulebook and codex bundled in too

Considering they've been putting out bundles that actually provided some sort of deals in the form of Strikeforces, nah, don't think so.

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or maybe GW has decided starter boxes are for 'peasants'

Maybe starter boxes are discontinued because noone is starting 40k anyway

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Think I figured it out: Kirby and Co. finally realized that the starter box tends to offer a pretty big discount. Since GW can't offer discounts because it would devalue the quality of the product, they're going to rebox the starter set and put it at the actual price of all the components, with no discount! So what, around $300?

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So basically we're going to start following the Magic the Gathering schedule.

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 Kroothawk wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or maybe GW has decided starter boxes are for 'peasants'

Maybe starter boxes are discontinued because noone is starting 40k anyway


I think he's got it!

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WayneTheGame wrote:
Think I figured it out: Kirby and Co. finally realized that the starter box tends to offer a pretty big discount. Since GW can't offer discounts because it would devalue the quality of the product, they're going to rebox the starter set and put it at the actual price of all the components, with no discount! So what, around $300?


Thus completely and utterly anihilating any reason to buy one, since if you want those models you can get them for the same price and dont have to pay for an army you don't collect in the first place...
If they do that - and I wouldn't put it past GW - that will prevent every single hope of someone new to start playing forever and ever.

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Could it be them just repackaging the forces in new battle force sets? Have a crimson slaughter battle force with kranon a monopose helbrute, and a couple sets of the veterans and charge crazy price and then make a dark angel set with those models and get rid of the old dark angel battle force because it's cheaper than othe marine battlefirces

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 Theophony wrote:
Could it be them just repackaging the forces in new battle force sets? Have a crimson slaughter battle force with kranon a monopose helbrute, and a couple sets of the veterans and charge crazy price and then make a dark angel set with those models and get rid of the old dark angel battle force because it's cheaper than othe marine battlefirces

The Dark Angels battleforce is just bikes, and even then, they don't make new battleforces anymore. Putting monopose models in a battleforce (well, strikeforces now) also sets a weird precedent that isn't consistent with anything else GW has on the market. I honestly think that, at most, they're swapping out the rulebook and maybe the box art.

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Wow, didn't take long for this barely relevant tidbit about the starter boxes maybe being removed to spark off an off-topic GW hate-in

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 Bull0 wrote:
Wow, didn't take long for this barely relevant tidbit about the starter boxes maybe being removed to spark off an off-topic GW hate-in


You can say "hello" here and it will start that.

Interesting to see them pulling stuff this far out though...

Unless it is just a reboxing with a new mini rulebook with updates. That sounds more likely to me than a whole new plastic set when this one is pretty good.

That strikes me as more likely, but I base this on nothing but intuition.

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 Kosake wrote:
WayneTheGame wrote:
Think I figured it out: Kirby and Co. finally realized that the starter box tends to offer a pretty big discount. Since GW can't offer discounts because it would devalue the quality of the product, they're going to rebox the starter set and put it at the actual price of all the components, with no discount! So what, around $300?


Thus completely and utterly anihilating any reason to buy one, since if you want those models you can get them for the same price and dont have to pay for an army you don't collect in the first place...
If they do that - and I wouldn't put it past GW - that will prevent every single hope of someone new to start playing forever and ever.





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 Leth wrote:
 Bull0 wrote:
Wow, didn't take long for this barely relevant tidbit about the starter boxes maybe being removed to spark off an off-topic GW hate-in


You can say "hello" here and it will start that.

Interesting to see them pulling stuff this far out though...

Unless it is just a reboxing with a new mini rulebook with updates. That sounds more likely to me than a whole new plastic set when this one is pretty good.

That strikes me as more likely, but I base this on nothing but intuition.


No solid rumour has suggested the models are changing that I've seen - something is definitely afoot, I think the crucial question is "6.5 or 7"

My own limited information is, and I quote in the "very much 7th" camp, but I still have personal reservations.

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I feel like this is the setup for a 7th edition that will be a glorified update to 6th with rule clarifications and update with all the changes to things like FOC, flyers, lords of war, etc. From a marketing stand point calling it 6.5 sounds optional compared to calling it 7th so everyone has to buys the new BRB.

At best we can hope to see some rule changes like allowing jump infantry to assault from reserve/deepstrike or making it so overwatch removes models after the charge movement is made. (Let's face it assault needs some help and gun lines are too strong)

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I feel like this is the setup for a 7th edition that will be a glorified update to 6th with rule clarifications and update with all the changes to things like FOC, flyers, lords of war, etc. From a marketing stand point calling it 6.5 sounds optional compared to calling it 7th so everyone has to buys the new BRB.

At best we can hope to see some rule changes like allowing jump infantry to assault from reserve/deepstrike or making it so overwatch removes models after the charge movement is made. (Let's face it assault needs some help and gun lines are too strong)


Calling it 6.5 or 7th, heck even XP doesnt matter at all. It's an update which means a shift in rules however small, which means you'll need it to play current. I think its funny how so much debate goes into semantics like this.

   
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Of course if there is a 'new' BRB, then they get to re-release all the codexi/supplements/mini-dexes/data slates etc

so prepare your wallets for that

 
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Of course if there is a 'new' BRB, then they get to re-release all the codexi/supplements/mini-dexes/data slates etc

so prepare your wallets for that


Although I doubt the new codexes will look different to the current theme. In this case I'll continue to update my armies. If not....well fuuuuuu

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 Red Corsair wrote:


Calling it 6.5 or 7th, heck even XP doesnt matter at all. It's an update which means a shift in rules however small, which means you'll need it to play current. I think its funny how so much debate goes into semantics like this.


The whole "6.5" vs. "7th" is a massively misleading debate. The original 40KRadio rumour was 7th. A few days later, some crowd-in-rumour-monger said "no, not 7th, but 6.5"... and well, since then we have that mess.

Frankly, I doubt the issue will be resolved even after the new edition hits. People who have been shouting "7th" will say... "look, new edition, it's 7th", and people who have been shouting "6.5" will say... "look, it's still backward compatible, so it's 6.5".

Nobody (as far as I know) expects a "full-break" / "genuinely-new" edition-change that was 2nd Edition to 3rd Edition.

If, as is my guess, it'll be 6th + Escalation + Stronghold + a few random tweaks just because, it's anybody's personal preference if they wanna call it 6.5. or 7th. If we had the same discussion in 2012, maybe we would've all ended up calling 6th Edition 5.5. instead.

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Well 6th edition wasnt a revamp of 5th, but a complete reinvention.

However, 5th edition can be called 4.5.

But then again 4th ed would be called 3.5

3rd ed however cannot be called 2.5.

So really, we have Rogue Trader, 2nd edition, 3, 3.5, 4 and 5th edition (current) lol

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 Ravajaxe wrote:
Up ! Because there are some moves behind the scene.


The Dark Vengence starter box may be removed from the stores in following days.
According to a Faeit212 source, this appears to be the case at least in Netherlands :

http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/03/confirmed-dark-vengeance-is-going-away.html

So these rumors of a new edition (7th or patched V6.5) appear to be more than a vaporous idea.
There is still no "confirmation" of the new starter box content.


This actually doesn't have a lot of to do with 7th edition. GW is dropping lots of multi language stuff.
I was at a GW this afternoon and a LOT of stuff is being sent back there from the store. Like the High Elf Battalion boxes, the Ork Boys Boxes (40K), lots of fantasy ork stuff, loads and loads of Beastmen stuff. They think quite a lot is turning into order only.

Rather farfetch'd to think if 2 boxes of the dutch Dark Vengeance (Wich weren't being sold a lot anyway. Everyone buys the english version anyway.) are being sent back it's the end of the 6th starterset... Tinfoil hats... anyone?

It's true the Dutch version of Dark Vengeance is going away. But this was the plan all along. The same with the Dutch version of The Hobbit. They were planned as limited runs since the day they were made up.

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Bishop F Gantry wrote:
 Ravajaxe wrote:
Up ! Because there are some moves behind the scene.


The Dark Vengence starter box may be removed from the stores in following days.
According to a Faeit212 source, this appears to be the case at least in Netherlands :

http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/03/confirmed-dark-vengeance-is-going-away.html

So these rumors of a new edition (7th or patched V6.5) appear to be more than a vaporous idea.
There is still no "confirmation" of the new starter box content.


This peaks my intrest.


Piques.
It piques your interest.
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Trasvi wrote:
Bishop F Gantry wrote:
 Ravajaxe wrote:
Up ! Because there are some moves behind the scene.


The Dark Vengence starter box may be removed from the stores in following days.
According to a Faeit212 source, this appears to be the case at least in Netherlands :

http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/03/confirmed-dark-vengeance-is-going-away.html

So these rumors of a new edition (7th or patched V6.5) appear to be more than a vaporous idea.
There is still no "confirmation" of the new starter box content.


This peaks my intrest.


Piques.
It piques your interest.


/grammarnazi

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