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rollawaythestone wrote:
I don't think it'd work, and therefore won't happen that way, cause you would have to introduce casting values for all Psychic Powers in the game currently. Which would require updating more than just the BRB - Chaos Daemons, Chaos Marines, Eldar, Tyranids, all have their own unique powers.

GW have already shown with Hull Points and Mastery Levels that they have no problems with adding in game-wide rules that affect codex entries in a new rulebook.

7th edition coming soon is very believable. GW speeds up dexes and throws out piles of supplements/books which players buy and then puts out 7th edition to 'fix' the mess they created - players again open their wallets - to start the process again with probably another quick release of books/supplements that were messed up by 7th edition and so on and so on. And maybe new editions will then come out every 2 years instead of 4 years.

Just depends on how far GW figures it can push players and keep them buying even if they grumble about this or that.

 Ventus wrote:
7th edition coming soon is very believable. GW speeds up dexes and throws out piles of supplements/books which players buy and then puts out 7th edition to 'fix' the mess they created - players again open their wallets - to start the process again with probably another quick release of books/supplements that were messed up by 7th edition and so on and so on. And maybe new editions will then come out every 2 years instead of 4 years.

Just depends on how far GW figures it can push players and keep them buying even if they grumble about this or that.

Plus it has the ability to invalidate everything they've released.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Can we do a kickstarter to hire a lawyer to proof read the rules first?

Have an exalt for that. Also, while we're at it, let basic spellcheck run over it, since I haven't seen a GW release without typos every other page in all of 6th edition.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Can we do a kickstarter to hire a lawyer to proof read the rules first?

So wait, we're supposed to pay for someone who does the job the manufacturer is supposed to do himself while still releasing low quality, overpriced products?

You don't need a lawyer, you need an active competitive scene that is interested in balancing the game. WHFB has been balanced to an almost perfect degree by its competitive players in a huge collaborative effort - why wouldn't it be possible for 40k as well? We already see some very good steps in such a direction e.g. by banning Escalation, it just takes a few more steps. Quite a few actually.

 Sigvatr wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
Can we do a kickstarter to hire a lawyer to proof read the rules first?

So wait, we're supposed to pay for someone who does the job the manufacturer is supposed to do himself while still releasing low quality, overpriced products?

You don't need a lawyer, you need an active competitive scene that is interested in balancing the game. WHFB has been balanced to an almost perfect degree by its competitive players in a huge collaborative effort - why wouldn't it be possible for 40k as well? We already see some very good steps in such a direction e.g. by banning Escalation, it just takes a few more steps. Quite a few actually.

yeah cos banning escalation is a GREAT idea..... i cannot dissagree with you more. how about ballance the rules for STR D. thats the only change needed.... bigger problems than a tank that cost as much as 3 predators, shoots as much and dies just as easy...

the game has well bigger problems than that. and btw the competitive scene hasnt ALL banned them, your meta may have but thats not world wide....

6th edition needs a fix urgently ... because the current game designers ruined it with a flood of unbalanced rules pushing expensive products down our throat. Can't see current game designers fixing that though, so it will be another obvious and desperate money grap bringing even more people to quit.

I still hope this rumour is not true. It would be as stupid as renaming, say, Imperial Guard!

 Kosake wrote:
Also, while we're at it, let basic spellcheck run over it, since I haven't seen a GW release without typos every other page in all of 6th edition.

As part of my job application for a GW job (I think it was editor or rules writer or similar, something which ought to have responsibility for that stuff, among other things), I sent in, at my own behest, a list of the typos and grammatical errors in the first ten or so pages of the then newly released 5th Edition Tyranid Codex. I also pointed out some of the obvious rules imbalances with it. And I pointed out that I could be improving all their codexes that way, if they'd just give me the job...

Needless to say I didn't get called for interview. Hadn't really expected to. I felt a bit like an elaborate troll.

You obvuiously didn't show the right attitude

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Also, while we're at it, let basic spellcheck run over it, since I haven't seen a GW release without typos every other page in all of 6th edition.

As part of my job application for a GW job (I think it was editor or rules writer or similar, something which ought to have responsibility for that stuff, among other things), I sent in, at my own behest, a list of the typos and grammatical errors in the first ten or so pages of the then newly released 5th Edition Tyranid Codex. I also pointed out some of the obvious rules imbalances with it. And I pointed out that I could be improving all their codexes that way, if they'd just give me the job...

Needless to say I didn't get called for interview. Hadn't really expected to. I felt a bit like an elaborate troll.

The trolling part may or may not have been an issue, but did you write that you actually cared for warhammer? Had players experience in their games? Were integrated in the community? I think any of those is a surefire way to be set on permanent ignore. We can't have people communicating with the customers, now can we? Also, increased risk of leaks.

Should've included 'member of Dakkadakka.com' on your resume for sure.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Also, while we're at it, let basic spellcheck run over it, since I haven't seen a GW release without typos every other page in all of 6th edition.

As part of my job application for a GW job (I think it was editor or rules writer or similar, something which ought to have responsibility for that stuff, among other things), I sent in, at my own behest, a list of the typos and grammatical errors in the first ten or so pages of the then newly released 5th Edition Tyranid Codex. I also pointed out some of the obvious rules imbalances with it. And I pointed out that I could be improving all their codexes that way, if they'd just give me the job...

Needless to say I didn't get called for interview. Hadn't really expected to. I felt a bit like an elaborate troll.

Don't you read GW's statements? GW doesn't hire for competence, they hire for attitude! And you insinuating to them that they have somehow released a flawed product, in any way, is definitively the wrong attitude for a GW employee.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Also, while we're at it, let basic spellcheck run over it, since I haven't seen a GW release without typos every other page in all of 6th edition.

As part of my job application for a GW job (I think it was editor or rules writer or similar, something which ought to have responsibility for that stuff, among other things), I sent in, at my own behest, a list of the typos and grammatical errors in the first ten or so pages of the then newly released 5th Edition Tyranid Codex. I also pointed out some of the obvious rules imbalances with it. And I pointed out that I could be improving all their codexes that way, if they'd just give me the job...

Needless to say I didn't get called for interview. Hadn't really expected to. I felt a bit like an elaborate troll.

Lol.

I personally think everything will work out for the best no matter what GW does with its changes to pricing or rules/releases.

With the nature of the internet and the online community even if GW was to go belly-up (which I doubt) there would still be re-casting/3D printing/Kickstarter companies that could easily fill the demand for new mini's.

Not to mention, an online-open-source approach to the Rules and fluff would benefit almost everyone, in my humble opinion.

 streamdragon wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Edit: On the (salty) chance the rumor is true, it would make Dominion a much weaker power for Tyranids. IB tests are done at the start of the movement phase; you wouldn't be able to get Dominion in place in time to prevent IB checks.

But our Maledictions would get an effective 6"+ range due to coming after movement...paroxysm and the horror become much better...especially as you could use it from reserves.

True enough. I focused on Dominion because it is the Primaris and thus always available.

Also because Instinctive Behaviour is such a gak rule.

I'm guessing you just want to use your hormagaunts again?

They're the only unit I can't run effectively due to IB and lack of mobility in this book.

 Kosake wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
Can we do a kickstarter to hire a lawyer to proof read the rules first?

Have an exalt for that. Also, while we're at it, let basic spellcheck run over it, since I haven't seen a GW release without typos every other page in all of 6th edition.

I have textbooks far more expensive than GW's books with typos, and have seen Military Regulations full of them too. It's not just GW, the whole damn world needs to learn how to spell.

 Sigvatr wrote:
WHFB has been balanced to an almost perfect degree by its competitive players in a huge collaborative effort - why wouldn't it be possible for 40k as well?

Because 40k has an vastly quicker release schedule bloated with shovelware DLC that redefine the metagame every few weeks:

A special codex full of cheap psykers that don't count as real allies

A codex with the competitive builds buried in add-on DLC

A new codex that exclusively uses super-heavy walkers

An updated codex with incredibly cheap Divination and cheap AV14

At this rate every codex will be able to take cheap ranged Str D weapons by next year, and GW will have to start the cycle again by nerfing shooting in favour of assault.

 streamdragon wrote:
Edit: On the (salty) chance the rumor is true, it would make Dominion a much weaker power for Tyranids. IB tests are done at the start of the movement phase; you wouldn't be able to get Dominion in place in time to prevent IB checks.

There are a few powers in other codexes and the BRB that interact with start-of-turn actions, such as reserve rolls. That change would break much more than synapse without some decent errata.

 Sigvatr wrote:
WHFB has been balanced to an almost perfect degree by its competitive players in a huge collaborative effort - why wouldn't it be possible for 40k as well?

Because there are like 10 WHFB players in the world...

Seriously, I've met like a handful of people who actually play it.

 ductvader wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
WHFB has been balanced to an almost perfect degree by its competitive players in a huge collaborative effort - why wouldn't it be possible for 40k as well?

Because there are like 10 WHFB players in the world...

Seriously, I've met like a handful of people who actually play it.

Seriously? There are a huge number of people that play fantasy. It isn't as big as 40k, but it is still a massive game.

 AlTzeentch wrote:
I personally think everything will work out for the best no matter what GW does with its changes to pricing or rules/releases.

With the nature of the internet and the online community even if GW was to go belly-up (which I doubt) there would still be re-casting/3D printing/Kickstarter companies that could easily fill the demand for new mini's.

Not to mention, an online-open-source approach to the Rules and fluff would benefit almost everyone, in my humble opinion.

The problem with that is that it needs GW to be the only game in the hobby for that to really be true, and the market has far more games in it than ever before.

40k is not going to survive no mater what GW do, because everything GW do wrong is pushing more people towards other games.
If GW don't turn around their current financial situation and go belly up people will continue to play 40k but nowhere near as many people will be getting into it, instead they will get into Warmachine or Infinity or another game, and 40k will be reduced to something that only the old vets even really know about or bought up by another company.

I'm not saying I want that to happen or anything, but it seems to me the way it's heading. And that holds especially true if GW really do feel the need to cut down the time on the edition cycle, put fantasy on the back burner and push out a new edition of 40k.

 RaptorsTallon wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
WHFB has been balanced to an almost perfect degree by its competitive players in a huge collaborative effort - why wouldn't it be possible for 40k as well?

Because there are like 10 WHFB players in the world...

Seriously, I've met like a handful of people who actually play it.

Seriously? There are a huge number of people that play fantasy. It isn't as big as 40k, but it is still a massive game.

I've heard that the Midwest and America has a whole has a very different ratio of 40k to fantasy players. So that's probably it, we're all sci-fi nerds I suppose.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Also, while we're at it, let basic spellcheck run over it, since I haven't seen a GW release without typos every other page in all of 6th edition.

As part of my job application for a GW job (I think it was editor or rules writer or similar, something which ought to have responsibility for that stuff, among other things), I sent in, at my own behest, a list of the typos and grammatical errors in the first ten or so pages of the then newly released 5th Edition Tyranid Codex. I also pointed out some of the obvious rules imbalances with it. And I pointed out that I could be improving all their codexes that way, if they'd just give me the job...

Needless to say I didn't get called for interview. Hadn't really expected to. I felt a bit like an elaborate troll.

Yeah, it should be said that pointing out a company's "errors" based on *your* assessment of their needs isn't exactly the path to success in an application/interview situation.

You know, pointing out inconsistencies and straight errors should be kind of a plus in a prospect writer...

 Kosake wrote:
You know, pointing out inconsistencies and straight errors should be kind of a plus in a prospect writer...

But on the flipside very few people get hired by telling a prospective employer "you're wrong, and here's why".

Perhaps all of the hardback codices were written with 7th in mind? Is it all that unreasonable for them to finish the what 5? codices without a hard back book? orks, ba sw, de, and gk? don't get me started on sisters inquisition or any other "secondary" army that was never going to get a hardback book to begin with.

Oh, I wasn't really expecting to get hired, 'cos I have game design and rules writing experience that I didn't get at GW. But I'd tried the more straight approach before, and got as far as an interview but didn't get the job 'cos I wanted too much money...

rothrich wrote:
Perhaps all of the hardback codices were written with 7th in mind? Is it all that unreasonable for them to finish the what 5? codices without a hard back book? orks, ba sw, de, and gk? don't get me started on sisters inquisition or any other "secondary" army that was never going to get a hardback book to begin with.

According to some stuff that was in a massive rumor dump: no. All the books are solely written for the edition they're in.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
You know, pointing out inconsistencies and straight errors should be kind of a plus in a prospect writer...

But on the flipside very few people get hired by telling a prospective employer "you're wrong, and here's why".

There's obviously a right and a wrong way to do it, but, done correctly, there's absolutely no reason why that wouldn't work. If I was approached by someone who was effectively saying "here's some weaknesses I've identified and here's some ways I can fix them" then they'd have my attention.

Of course, if the prospective employer has a massive ego, a history of apparent hubris and a bat gak crazy attitude over skills recruitment policy, then all that goes out the window....

 azreal13 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
You know, pointing out inconsistencies and straight errors should be kind of a plus in a prospect writer...

But on the flipside very few people get hired by telling a prospective employer "you're wrong, and here's why".

There's obviously a right and a wrong way to do it, but, done correctly, there's absolutely no reason why that wouldn't work. If I was approached by someone who was effectively saying "here's some weaknesses I've identified and here's some ways I can fix them" then they'd have my attention.

Of course, if the prospective employer has a massive ego, a history of apparent hubris and a bat gak crazy attitude over skills recruitment policy, then all that goes out the window....

Don't funnel the entire company's public image down on that poor HR department (which seems to be like 3 people). With GW's digital means of accepting CVs for positions now I wouldn't be surprised if there was a machine that did most of the screening work.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

rothrich wrote:
Perhaps all of the hardback codices were written with 7th in mind? Is it all that unreasonable for them to finish the what 5? codices without a hard back book? orks, ba sw, de, and gk? don't get me started on sisters inquisition or any other "secondary" army that was never going to get a hardback book to begin with.

According to some stuff that was in a massive rumor dump: no. All the books are solely written for the edition they're in.

Link please. What rumor dump by whom?