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Iron hands: Clann Raukann
3 tri-las preds
Skyshield raised
Master of the forge with 3 servitors and the Ironstone.
645pts

Preds have a 4++, a 4+ IWND (on a 6 an immobilized or weapon destroyed result is repaired), and MotF auto repairs 1hp a turn to boot. Deployed against a board edge and the opponent will only ever get a side armour shot against one of them as it will be protecting the side armour of the others. Effective tactic? Or is 9 lascannon shots (albeit 3 tl) a turn too expensive at 645pts?

Yes - d weapons. But just saying d weapons prevents discussion of the vast majority of non msu tactics.

Non-escalation it will be nice. Escalation, may as well use Stronghold Assault so ditch the skyshield and grab void generators cheaper and better

Good thinking. I suppose if you go dual foc you could include void shields as well as the skyshield for those juicy av12s AND a 4++ afterwards :-D!

It's not even very hard to kill. You regenerate a lot of HP, but if they focus fire on a single Predator until it's dead then you've wasted all of those points you spent on the repair unit.

 Peregrine wrote:
It's not even very hard to kill. You regenerate a lot of HP, but if they focus fire on a single Predator until it's dead then you've wasted all of those points you spent on the repair unit.

A somewhat mitigated points cost in that it fills your mandatory HQ slot.

On another note, I don't think you can make a repair roll 1+. I know with enough servitors it's possible, but I don't think it's allowed by the rules.

 obsidiankatana wrote:
On another note, I don't think you can make a repair roll 1+. I know with enough servitors it's possible, but I don't think it's allowed by the rules.

Why isn't it?

Roll of 1 is always a failure, apparently.

SBG wrote:
Roll of 1 is always a failure, apparently.

There is no such rule. There are certain specific rolls where 1 is always a failure, but no general rule that it is. And the repair role is not one of those specific rolls.

 Peregrine wrote:
It's not even very hard to kill. You regenerate a lot of HP, but if they focus fire on a single Predator until it's dead then you've wasted all of those points you spent on the repair unit.

And how much firepower will they require to focus fire on av13 with a 4++? Especially now that most metas spam st7/8 shots. Thats a lot of shots to take down 3hps with a 4++! If they want to focus that much firepower on ONE 140pt predator, thats fine by me! Rest of the army will like that.


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 Peregrine wrote:

SBG wrote:
Roll of 1 is always a failure, apparently.

There is no such rule. There are certain specific rolls where 1 is always a failure, but no general rule that it is. And the repair role is not one of those specific rolls.

Besides - its not a roll of a one. Each servitor adds 1, as does the servo harness. So if the die shows a 1 - its actually a roll of a 5+...

 Peregrine wrote:

SBG wrote:
Roll of 1 is always a failure, apparently.

There is no such rule. There are certain specific rolls where 1 is always a failure, but no general rule that it is. And the repair role is not one of those specific rolls.

While there is no rule stating it and the only mentions of "1 counts as a failure" is usually just a little blurb after a rule explanation, are there actually any game actions where rolling 1 on a single die does not count as a failed roll? Besides Warlord tables and stuff like that.

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
While there is no rule stating it and the only mentions of "1 counts as a failure" is usually just a little blurb after a rule explanation, are there actually any game actions where rolling 1 on a single die does not count as a failed roll? Besides Warlord tables and stuff like that.

Rolling armor penetration for a STR 10 weapon against AV 10. A roll of a 1 is still a penetrating hit.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
And how much firepower will they require to focus fire on av13 with a 4++? Especially now that most metas spam st7/8 shots. Thats a lot of shots to take down 3hps with a 4++! If they want to focus that much firepower on ONE 140pt predator, thats fine by me! Rest of the army will like that.

Remember, they're only AV 11 on the side. And you're ignoring the chance of "explodes" results killing them in one shot. All you've really done is doubled their durability with a fortification that costs a non-trivial amount of points. Add in the cost of the repair unit and I'm perfectly happy with you spending a lot of points on protecting those Predators instead of on bringing twice as many shooting units.

Might be cheaper to ally in Dark Angles (Battle Bro's?) and deploy them all within a power field radius.

The concept has potential, but I think the way most armies (other than tau and IG) would deal with it is close combat.
Also, 645 points is more than:
2 flying daemon princes
2 fully kitted dreadknights
15 terminators
2 storm ravens
Alot of vendettas
Alot of crisis suits
Alot of bikes

So you need to configure the rest of your army to protect the preds from deepstriking meltas and fast CC. Then you must have an element that is fast enough to claim objectives. The biggest risk you have however, is that someone will bring a list that can just ignore the preds.. That said, 3 lascannons at 3 different targets that can ignore certain weapons is not bad, play it if you think it's cool and refine it.

Thanks for the advice guys but I want to put it to you when not considered im a vacume:
The advantages it has is that only one pred will be showing side armour, and if you have a tall LoS blocking piece of terrain you can arrange it so that isnt even possible.
Being c:sm means a nicely tooled up chap master can protect them from close combat. Also meaning plenty of bikes as fast scoring troops. Tooled up chap master is ~250pts. Say 4 bike squads with 2 grav and combi-grav at 145pts each. Throw in 3 storm talons with skyhammer for AA/a bit of anti horde and you're looking at a 1850 list. All tough as nails units.
Explodes is quite a low probability too, so not overly worried about that.
AT is sorted due to the preds, AA is sorted due to the talons, anti teq/meq is sorted due to the bikes, and close combat is sorted to a minor extent with the chap master. And all can take on MCs. The worry would be horde but hopefully all the tl bolters plus the assault cannons and skyhammers should help that a little.
It looks far better when not considered in a vacume I think.
Id considered the PFG but allying in DA paying for the libby with PFG and a compulsory troops choice comes to quite a bit more than the 75pts for the skyshield.


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But yes - it is A LOT of points for 9 lascannon shots.


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Could always replace the MotF with a bog standard tech marine without the iron stone, saving 70pts.

Nine lascannons hardly sorts out AT. Especially at 1850. I'd say your grav guns are more efficient than the lascannons at killing tanks. Two 6's between them takes down any 3hp vehicle.

I'd take that landing pad and shove three Thunderfire Cannons onto to it, meaning you don't need the MotF, and they're inherently cheaper than Laspreds. Gives you points for more biker squads, possibly enough wiggle room to grab a cheap bike librarian or bike chaplain to grab a grav biker command squad for the Chapter Master to roll with. Grav answers MEQ, TEQ, and armor, Talons answer air, TFCs answer hordes. Grab a couple of 55pt prescience Inquisitors to throw onto the TFCs for added glory.

True - that is a lot more competitive. Thinking of artillery for the pad. Wouldnt an allied in tri-earthshaker/medusa battery be great on a skyshield?

Medusas over Earthshakers, but they all have to shoot at the same thing. I'd rather the multi-target power of TFCs.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Thanks for the advice guys but I want to put it to you when not considered im a vacume:

No one's arguing it in a vacuum. I posted a list of stuff not as a "omg this stuff will eat your unit lolzzz" but to propose what units your opponents might be filling that 645 points with. They get the rest of their army too, you know.
It sounds cool, so I'd say give it a try then go from there.

You know what your worst enemy will be?

LOS-blocking terrain. LOL.