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Well, Heavy Gear's in an oddly good position to compare to, er, pants.
Heavy Gear Assault we can praise for being able to pay their workers, and success will be defined by the game existing at all. Likewise the RPG is in an "it exists or it doesn't" metric at the moment.
The tabletopgame proper has the dubious glory of higher expectations.
To your point, Mmmpi, I agree totally, and I think that's what makes this an interesting situation. If the models are too expensive, the rules don't matter. If the rules suck, the price doesn't matter. And then if the rules are good and the price is right, STILL neither of those will matter if enough new people don't stay with the game to make a new community. Because once you take away from the KS the veterans who bought dozens of cases, the people who were vaguely interested but will never make another purchase, the KS-fans who back everything, people who ONLY play this game, and probably some more odds and ends, the number of people who are using the KS as an avenue to start a "career" in the hobby is probably not that large. That is, people who will make more purchases. The vets don't need anything new, and if gamers aren't in any other circles, they can't get their X-Wing buddies to try Heavy Gear - because they don't have any. So even once the price and the rules - whichever is the more important, they are both going to work together - even once those things are sorted and all perfect, it's still an uphill battle.
But hopefully the price and rules will reduce the grade of that hill.
2016/05/21 08:12:29
Subject: Re:[Heavy Gear] General Discussion Thread
The King has a different torso completely - notice the huge blocks in front of the armpits? And the arms are different - notice the different spike arrangement?
Thanks for the pointers. I'll have to take a close look at the sprues as well since I forgot they were posted. It's just that the King doesn't look that much bigger compared with the normal Cobra whereas the blitz versions are noticeably bigger (I have 4 and 10 to compare respectively in my collection).
I mentioned last week that I might be getting some Rafm HG minis. That purchase went through but to quote a particular famous newscaster...
I'm pretty sure I now have roughly double what I had in the 90's... and I have no clue what possessed me into getting them besides nostalgia! lol. I might be able to play the new rules in 1/87 scale with that amount. There were a couple though that I need help with identifying.
From L to R: Armored Jager, Blitz Jager? (not sure about the dohicky on his left shoulder mount), ???, Sniper Chameleon (can't recall the variant's name at the moment), ????, Cheetah
Sorry about the Palladium Robotech Once a Year Update quality pics but I'll take better ones latter tonight hopefully.
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Anyhow, nice expansion to the collection there. I look forward to seeing it all together.
I'm still planning on selling my Southern blitz scale army.. when I get around to photographing it all for sale. The above is all the original bigger Rafm scale... and I have no legitimate reason as to why I bought the latter given the plans for the former. Not my pic but here's a comparison of the two scales.
2016/05/21 21:10:48
Subject: Re:[Heavy Gear] General Discussion Thread
warboss wrote: I'm pretty sure I now have roughly double what I had in the 90's... and I have no clue what possessed me into getting them besides nostalgia! lol. I might be able to play the new rules in 1/87 scale with that amount. There were a couple though that I need help with identifying.
From L to R: Armored Jager, Blitz Jager? (not sure about the dohicky on his left shoulder mount), ???, Sniper Chameleon (can't recall the variant's name at the moment), ????, Cheetah
Armored Jäger, Blitz Jäger (but yes, the shoulder ATM looks like "aftermarket"), Spitting Mamba, Black Claw (It's actually the laser sniper variant of the Black Cat), Fire Jaguar, Cheetah.
Hope that helps!
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warboss wrote: I'm still planning on selling my Southern blitz scale army.. when I get around to photographing it all for sale. The above is all the original bigger Rafm scale... and I have no legitimate reason as to why I bought the latter given the plans for the former. Not my pic but here's a comparison of the two scales.[/img]
Hey, if you end up not wanting it after all, call me (although I'm planning on unloading a lot of Blitz stuff, too XD).
Also, I love Warmaster minis ^_^
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2016/05/21 22:07:05
Subject: Re:[Heavy Gear] General Discussion Thread
From L to R: Armored Jager, Blitz Jager? (not sure about the dohicky on his left shoulder mount), ???, Sniper Chameleon (can't recall the variant's name at the moment), ????, Cheetah
Armored Jäger, Blitz Jäger (but yes, the shoulder ATM looks like "aftermarket"), Spitting Mamba, Black Claw (It's actually the laser sniper variant of the Black Cat), Fire Jaguar, Cheetah.
Hope that helps!
It does! I mistyped when I said chameleon (damn southern army on my mind!) but I didn't know the others. The fire jaguar has an odd variant head. I'll have to see if that is in the rpg recognition manuals I have; it's kind of like an MP style head with a glass window in front instead of the typical lens cluster.
Hey, if you end up not wanting it after all, call me (although I'm planning on unloading a lot of Blitz stuff, too XD).
Also, I love Warmaster minis ^_^
I might end up selling some of them but likely US international shipping may make them horribly expensive to get to you. I'm just not sure what I'll do. When I got back into blitz, it was in a similar type of "holy gak! what did I just buy because of the discount?!?" situation.
I don't unfortuantely have a hunter commando in the lot and that was one of my favorites from the era. Pretty much all the rest of my favs are in there though.
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2016/05/21 22:44:38
Subject: Re:[Heavy Gear] General Discussion Thread
warboss wrote: It does! I mistyped when I said chameleon (damn southern army on my mind!) but I didn't know the others. The fire jaguar has an odd variant head. I'll have to see if that is in the rpg recognition manuals I have; it's kind of like an MP style head with a glass window in front instead of the typical lens cluster.
Yeah, it's on the northern vehicles compendium (although with the regular northern square RPs, because that's 2nd edition). In the fluff it was a field refit done due to a lack of fast close support units for Jaguar teams during the WotA. The face shield was added to protect the head's sensors from the RPs backblast.
I might end up selling some of them but likely US international shipping may make them horribly expensive to get to you. I'm just not sure what I'll do. When I got back into blitz, it was in a similar type of "holy gak! what did I just buy because of the discount?!?" situation.
I don't unfortuantely have a hunter commando in the lot and that was one of my favorites from the era. Pretty much all the rest of my favs are in there though.
Anyhow, nice expansion to the collection there. I look forward to seeing it all together.
I'm still planning on selling my Southern blitz scale army.. when I get around to photographing it all for sale.
The above is all the original bigger Rafm scale... and I have no legitimate reason as to why I bought the latter given the plans for the former.
OK, fair enough.
Earlier, I thought I was a bit nuts for spending as much as I did on an effectively dead game. You win. In spades.
Not that one needs a "legitimate reason" for this stuff - it's for fun. And if you like 1/87 RAFM over 1/144 Blitz, far be it for anyone to say otherwise.
Well I've caught up with 40 pages of thread and was rewarded with the picture of a big stash of RAFM 1/87th scale Gears that made me very envious, but then I remembered I have no investment in 1/87th, and let out a sigh of relief.
As an outside observer, being largely an Old BattleTech grognard and Ogre/GEV fan, I can see both sides of the debate that has been going on here between those who have been burned from being over involved emotionally with an IP they don't own. Been there myself as a former FASA free-lance. I got better.
So, while I hope DP9 do well with the Heavy Gear Kickstarter, I'll be honest and say I'm only in it for the miniatures I want: Caprice and CEF mostly, as everything else is destined for my bits box as conversion fodder.
Paint it Pink wrote: Well I've caught up with 40 pages of thread and was rewarded with the picture of a big stash of RAFM 1/87th scale Gears that made me very envious, but then I remembered I have no investment in 1/87th, and let out a sigh of relief.
As an outside observer, being largely an Old BattleTech grognard and Ogre/GEV fan, I can see both sides of the debate that has been going on here between those who have been burned from being over involved emotionally with an IP they don't own. Been there myself as a former FASA free-lance. I got better.
So, while I hope DP9 do well with the Heavy Gear Kickstarter, I'll be honest and say I'm only in it for the miniatures I want: Caprice and CEF mostly, as everything else is destined for my bits box as conversion fodder.
Thank you for an entertaining thread.
Hey, welcome back! And, yeah, that's probably the best attitude to take with regards to all this (especially given that IMO the Caprice stuff transitioned the best over into plastic). The 1/87 stuff is nice but nostalgia definitely plays into it. I think I like the slightly more chibi Blitz Xactoboy sculpts the most out of all the various ranges (RAFM, Tacticals, Blitz, Plastic).
Earlier, I thought I was a bit nuts for spending as much as I did on an effectively dead game. You win. In spades.
Not that one needs a "legitimate reason" for this stuff - it's for fun. And if you like 1/87 RAFM over 1/144 Blitz, far be it for anyone to say otherwise.
I'm not sure if that last part is the case. As I mentioned above in response to Ashley's post, I actually prefer the Blitz era styling more and this purchase really was out of nostalgia. There definitely is some rose colored glasses tinting effect going on as my recent daily gallery searches of RAFM stuff that I haven't looked at much in 20 years reveals some very static poses, odd proportions for those used to blitz now, and some classic minor asymetry typical of 1990's hand sculpted minis. It's certainly not as bad/jarring as looking at Rogue Trader era 40k stuff from 4-8 earlier though. I'm a bit torn in the sense that I want to crack open all those blisters to examine the parts up close in person at different angles but doing so will devalue them if I decide to resell parts of the lot. It's 1980's Star Wars toys conundrum all over again!
I won't flood the thread with more somewhat off topic posts about my RAFM stuff after this post but will instead put some better pics and thoughts over on my long dead HG painting/modelling thread and my zombie blog later today.
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RAFM's HG stuff is definitely on topic here, so go ahead and post. Heck, you could even talk about Tactical, if others were so inclined. About the only thing that doesn't really belong in this thread is KS-related stuff... because there's a separate KS-specific thread for that.
Also, nothing wrong with a nostalgia purchase. It's all good.
Considering posting in the KS specific thread is akin to thread necro after all those months, I'd say that a single catch all thread for all aspects of Heavy Gear from the KS to the OOP works to the video game is probably fine. It's not like there are too many folks posting in the thread. I am updating my previous thread though a bit over in P&M linked above.
I'd say the War for Terra Nova kick-started is relevant to a thread about why more people aren't aware of Heavy Gear. I'd think the lack of a plastic starter set has held Heavy Gear back in past years.
warboss wrote: Considering posting in the KS specific thread is akin to thread necro after all those months,
I'd say that a single catch all thread for all aspects of Heavy Gear from the KS to the OOP works to the video game is probably fine.
It's not like there are too many folks posting in the thread. I am updating my previous thread though a bit over in P&M linked above.
Well, I just posted in it, so it's not buried anymore, and people can move the KS-specific talk over there.
I'd agree a single thread would be fine, except that the KS-specific sub-thread already exists and is the "correct" place for such discussion. At least, until such time that the KS thread should be locked. If you guys want that thread locked to focus on this one, please alert the Mods accordingly and request that the KS thread be permanently closed. Thanks.
New gameplay video from pretty much the only channel covering the game on youtube so far. The DP9 staff painter visited the GMG stuidos and they played an interpolar war game using the current version of the living rulebook.
Some striders, vehicles, and infantry instead of just the typical pure gears.
Because they're both according to the name but only one is allowed by the rules? They probably chose strider's because they better fit the silhouette profile mechanic they're using for the models and it also allows them more hit points. Iirc gears are limited to 6(aka 4/2 for the hunter iirc) whereas striders get more. This is without looking at the rules in a long time so salt as needed in case that changed last year. Let's be realistic... they functionally are striders but they shoehorned the gundams into the game as gear evolutions for a sales boost.
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For those in the know, is that Mason in the GMG video I posted above? He's the only staff painter that I recall (other than a short stint with Angel Giraldez for the southern book) but I'm not really current with possible changes.
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Albertorius wrote: I don't think so. IIRC, they got a local painter for the latest north stuff, like the northern gearstrider.
Ah, ok, thanks. For those interested, there is a kickstarter going on with some sort of connection with DP9 that looks to potentially have some nice 10mm terrain. The $75 buy in for each set of terrain seems a bit too good to be true and not sustainable at retail but here's the link regardless. Caveat Emptor.
-- $k 
-- 9k 
-- 6k 
-- 4k 
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(although I'm planning on unloading a lot of Blitz stuff, too XD).
