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 Albertorius wrote:
Well, setting wise the Pod seems to have decided to double down on the stupid... [/facepalm]

o.O? Something new? Or just a general comment?

 fellowhoodlum wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, setting wise the Pod seems to have decided to double down on the stupid... [/facepalm]

o.O? Something new? Or just a general comment?

Oh, something new alright:

http://dp9forum.com/index.php?showtopic=17463&hl=

A lot of that is on the level with "what do you mean Imperial ships travel through an alternate daemonic dimension to go FTL? That's stupid, I'll change it".

 Albertorius wrote:
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A lot of that is on the level with "what do you mean Imperial ships travel through an alternate daemonic dimension to go FTL? That's stupid, I'll change it".

Yeah I see what you mean, changing one of the fundamental assumptions of the setting. Maybe someone liked Homeworld Deserts of Kharak a lot >.>

 fellowhoodlum wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
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A lot of that is on the level with "what do you mean Imperial ships travel through an alternate daemonic dimension to go FTL? That's stupid, I'll change it".

Yeah I see what you mean, changing one of the fundamental assumptions of the setting. Maybe someone liked Homeworld Deserts of Kharak a lot >.>

Yep, that was my first thought too ^_^. My second was "...and if that is the case, why didn't they do the same and made them run on tracks? Srsly".

FWIW, the idea of shipping desert aircraft carriers through space made me cringe (but because it's expensive... didn't remember about the impossibility of using them outside TN) but the change/expansion of the fluff focusing on vectored thrust rather than just electromagnetic forces doesn't bother me. About the only way I could see that possibly working in the setting would be if the actual landship was also the spaceship as well (instead of being transported in it). I'm not too ingrained in the fluff but rather focused more on the gratuitous cool robot shooty porn and the rules back in the day.

 warboss wrote:
FWIW, the idea of shipping desert aircraft carriers through space made me cringe (but because it's expensive... didn't remember about the impossibility of using them outside TN) but the change/expansion of the fluff focusing on vectored thrust rather than just electromagnetic forces doesn't bother me. About the only way I could see that possibly working in the setting would be if the actual landship was also the spaceship as well (instead of being transported in it). I'm not too ingrained in the fluff but rather focused more on the gratuitous cool robot shooty porn and the rules back in the day.

Thing is, if you limit yourself to vectored thrust and ground effect to lift multiple meters a knocked down building (only usually heavier), you'll have a knocked down building aloft directly above a mega tornado. Think about the strength that a tornado would need to have to lift a building... why do you even have weapons, again, if you're able to do that?

True...but my comment was based on the mistaken premise that the fan lift stuff was in the original post by DP9 and you quoted it. I was wrong as you seem to have quoted older fluff. Sorry but I just skimmed the threads on my phone. I thought you were opposed to that older fluff of the vectored thrust/fan lift being used to steer the ship in addition to the main electromagnetic properties and instead you preferred pure electromagnetic propulsion. Is your issue that they're replacing that electromagnetic propulsion with grav tech? Ymmv but I don't take issue with that but rather the idea of shipping aircraft carriers through space in HG. Earth and its interstellar empire has a hard enough time doing that let alone a backwater like TN. I see the change in propulsion for a new environment more akin to a switch from props to jet engines in the early 1940s (ours...not the TN calendar).

Also, just for the record... Tzeentch has long filled the warp with rainbows and I'd be more shocked if Slaneeshi followers didn't populate the aether with unicorns for various twisted carnal purposes than if they did.

Edit: stupid autocorrect...Which just turned the word autocorrect into WordPerfect and incorrect sequentially for the ultimate irony!

I have issues with both, TBH. The shipping landships through space is completely bonkers and would drive insane all their logistics people, but the grav tech is unobtanium in a setting that up to this point tried to be somewhat believable. At least the electromags were plausibly explained: they use them just for lift and they actually move via ground effect and vectored thrust, and it's only possible due to the particular magnetic properties of Terra Nova.

I'd much prefer if they simply switched to tracks: at leasts the mobile bases from Deserts of Kharak looked cool.

sqir666 wrote:
Hooray my ebay order finally arrived today,
Southern GP Cadre
Southern Recon Cadre
Southern Fire Support Cadre
Southern Army Starter
King Cobra
Sagittarius

Hey! I wasn't aware you were the guy who outbid me on the King Cobra. Not mad, you just saved me some money I didn't need to spend.

Anyhow, that's an awesome collection with a good mix of stuff. I look forward to seeing your P&M blog building it.

Congrats on the purchase, Sqir666. As for your suprise connection with John, awkward!

I had something similar a few years back when I got into HG blitz again with a massive ebay purchase of southern minis after missing out on the north. When I started my P&M blog, the guy who won the north lot I wanted messaged me to gloat. Dirty Northern Dog!

It was funny, because I was eyeing that 25-gear pile that he bought (Starter w/ GP, Recon & FS cadres). The price was super attractive, but then reality smacked me in the back of my head asking: "Stop! WTF are you doing? Don't you already have enough South? For a game that you hardly play at all?" And that kept me from pulling the trigger.

For a while, I was thinking to maybe pick up a 4-frame CEF Interdiction Squad on the cheap. The extra bulk would even out the numbers at a baker's dozen per faction. But I'm already roughly equal on points, so I don't need more stuff at the half-dozen to a dozen minis I'm going to play.

For me, I'm just going to hold at what I've got.

Now that is hilarious and a bit ironic. Now if only we weren't states away from each other we could get some games in.

That reminds me, I do need to start up a P&M blog to keep me motivated on getting this stuff finished. Though I do sadly paint at a sloth's pace.

 Albertorius wrote:
I have issues with both, TBH. The shipping landships through space is completely bonkers and would drive insane all their logistics people, but the grav tech is unobtanium in a setting that up to this point tried to be somewhat believable. At least the electromags were plausibly explained: they use them just for lift and they actually move via ground effect and vectored thrust, and it's only possible due to the particular magnetic properties of Terra Nova.

I'd much prefer if they simply switched to tracks: at leasts the mobile bases from Deserts of Kharak looked cool.

If they switched to tracks or, even worse, rails then I'd probably be the one who is livid. I'm fine with one quasi science being replaced with another even if the latter is even further away from the practical into the theoretical.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:


For a while, I was thinking to maybe pick up a 4-frame CEF Interdiction Squad on the cheap. The extra bulk would even out the numbers at a baker's dozen per faction. But I'm already roughly equal on points, so I don't need more stuff at the half-dozen to a dozen minis I'm going to play.

For me, I'm just going to hold at what I've got.

Remember that even Earth scum like yourself don't have to get the full minimum squad size of four (assuming they're one action each) as you can just get one or two to fill out existing squads or just add as a support unit. I'm considering that type of addition to my squads in order to add a single model recon element to squads of big guns (so it can TD/FO or do some ECM as neeed).

On an unrelated note, now that I'm at least temporarily done with my Northern RAFM gears, I might move onto my southern RAFM ones. Recently, I've been considering building them as a squad or two of dark series southern variant Black Talons instead of just the usual SRA.

I'll have to look at building squads, something that I hadn't considered before.

 Albertorius wrote:
I have issues with both, TBH. The shipping landships through space is completely bonkers and would drive insane all their logistics people,

If they could stealthily send landships into other systems, they would not have to do it; they could just stealthily send large (and fast) rocks onto CEF fleets and strongpoints.

 fellowhoodlum wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I have issues with both, TBH. The shipping landships through space is completely bonkers and would drive insane all their logistics people,

If they could stealthily send landships into other systems, they would not have to do it; they could just stealthily send large (and fast) rocks onto CEF fleets and strongpoints.

Or well, you know, spaceships.

That said, I'm pretty sure that making a rock stealthy in space would be much easier than making a huge ass transport ship stealthy, what with a rock not releasing emissions and all.

Well... the landship thread over at the Pod forums is proving to be quite an... enlightening experience.

For example, I just received this:

Hi Albertorius,

I'm getting time of your trolling in the Dream Pod 9 Forum, this will serve as your first warning, 2 more and I'll have to ban your account.

Sincerely,
Robert Dubois
President Dream Pod 9

Still not quite Kevin Siembieda, but getting there.

Aw. And I was just going to post about how nice it was that he was just asking for patience instead of name-calling dissenters.

So much for that, yeah... he needs a brainstorming to make things plausible in setting and instead he just jackboots it. Damn shame.

The gearstridering of the setting continues. So be it. Just don't bother posting constructive anything, Albertorius, including typos and obvious mistakes. If they don't want your feedback, then don't give it. It's why I left their forums completely for two years until just a few weeks ago. Ironically, in coming back, I noticed some (obvious) suggestionss I made both privately and publicly through the appropriate channels were apparently proven right as they were taken up or being taken up. The most recent was a thread where Dave talked about lowering the number of different squad types, something I suggested with the very first document release.

ps. I also wouldn't have minded a complete reboot of the setting ala Battlestar as well instead of the having their cake and eating it too approach. If they wanted to allow crazy gak that shouldn't exist according to the in-universe rules, then they should have done a reboot. Instead, they want that refresh while at the same time still not risking missing out on the money from long time fans of the in-universe ruels (at least initially until they notice but it'll be too late by then).

 warboss wrote:
The most recent was a thread where Dave talked about lowering the number of different squad types, something I suggested with the very first document release.

FWIW, I only recognize 4 types: standard, strike, recon & fire support that correspond to 40k's troops, elite, fast & heavy.

As I'm getting back to finalizing unit selection / force creation, I suppose I need to give it another look.

The last HGBTTWGLRB was 2015, still nothing released this year?

When I last checked, there were almost 20 different gear squads for the various factions that used gears... with the core ones you listed repeated in each faction leading to about 30 "different" squads. Too much... When I looked again to try and figure out a force for my Rafm Gears, it hadn't changed. Dave posted that the next update would get some sort of UA number reduction/simplification. We just don't know how many unnecessary special snowflakes will be culled. For instance, there isn't really any reason for the Talons to have 4-6 different gear squads that are unique to them when they could just use the strike/fire support/recon/strider templates instead with one or two unique ones.

I actually asked Robert about the next update of the rules which should be the print version sent out with KS and retail starter sets and he said he's working on it and it should hopefully be up last week. Not so....

There's better ways of registering your disagreement Albertorius. You could have said the same thing without being so rude, and you probably would have got a much better response from Robert. If you'd like you can post what you're planning on post here, and I'll show you the edited version you should post to get a positive response.

Quite frankly, I'm thinking to tighten things down to just 2 types of units:
- tactical generalist, and
- specialist for everything else.

I'll probably do that for KL, for brevity and clarity, leaving space for an example.

Nomeny wrote:
There's better ways of registering your disagreement Albertorius. You could have said the same thing without being so rude, and you probably would have got a much better response from Robert. If you'd like you can post what you're planning on post here, and I'll show you the edited version you should post to get a positive response.

Been there, done that, also got PMed by him and accused of trolling, and personally got quite fed up of tippy toeing around him for fear of hurting his ego. So no. He can do whatever the feth he wants, and time will tell if it ever gets out of his walled community.

A time jump would've been fine. Bring it up to say TN1980, ignore/rewrite completely everything about the WfTN and the 1940/50s (for the third time!) and say that thanks to the Prime Knights/microgate weaponry/NuCoal's mere presence Earth was beaten off again and now Terra Nova is taking the fight to them. Easy peasy. And then just throw in some historical scenarios at the back of the book for the skipped decades.

 Albertorius wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
There's better ways of registering your disagreement Albertorius. You could have said the same thing without being so rude, and you probably would have got a much better response from Robert. If you'd like you can post what you're planning on post here, and I'll show you the edited version you should post to get a positive response.

Been there, done that, also got PMed by him and accused of trolling, and personally got quite fed up of tippy toeing around him for fear of hurting his ego. So no. He can do whatever the feth he wants, and time will tell if it ever gets out of his walled community.

Just be glad he threaten to shame you (again!) for pledging $1.00 to the kickstarter... after you had already stated it publicly yourself.

No such thing as "polite disagreement" with DP9. If you're not towing the party line, you're a troll.

I guess Robert is looking up to Kevin these days.

On an unrelated note, Stompy Bot is now in the final countdown (queue the song!) towards their possible delisting from the Canadian Stock Exchange. They've got less than a week before the two month deadline is up to publish their 2015 financials. I'm curious to see how many folks signed up during their premiere year.

From the look of the forums, even some of Stompy's faithful are starting to get skittish. Could be an interesting time for the game.