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Holy gak, the license is up next year? The game hasn't even launched yet! Time to step on the gas, guys!

It was launched in some fashion in 2015 as it's available to purchase by the general public. On the plus side, DP9 stands to potentially make some quick and easy cash next year either from Stompy renewing or someone else picking up the license to make another style of game.

Oh, I suppose that's true. I've just never thought of it as anything other than beta. I hate early access and pre-orders. XD

If I read the numbers right, that means Stompy has paid about 12 400$ in sale royalties to DP9 so far, with 5 000$ over the last year.
At 15%, that means total sales of around 82 700$, and something like 33 000 $ over 2015. When they started going on sale.
Wow, that's a smash-hit there !

Robert must thinks he made out like a bandit, with 20k handed in advance, and to be fair, he kinda did, I don't see anyone else having made money over this

The canadian people are living up to their reputation as kind folk as they generously gave Stompy $300,000 CAD from their media grant fund. And in the words of Stompy, a rising tide lifts all boats! Your Canuck tax dollars at work.


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 Firebreak wrote:
Oh, I suppose that's true. I've just never though of it as anything other than beta. I hate early access and pre-orders. XD

If they're charging for it, I consider it a release.. even if it is still a WIP. YMMV. I agree though about the early access and pay to demo preorders. The only beta I participated in was the World of Tanks console one and it was a very well done beta. They didn't charge anything and actually worked on the game with steady progress for about a year while we were testing (which basically amounted to just playing and occasionally commenting on their forums). They'd wipe your progress, introduce a new country or set of tiers (it started only 1-6), change maps, do balance tweaks on existing tanks, and start farming that new data. It wasn't one of those BS month before retail launch "betas" that are just glorified demos after the game has already gone gold and no significant changes can be made in time even if they find massive game breaking bugs.

 warboss wrote:
DP9 stands to potentially make some quick and easy cash next year either from Stompy renewing or someone else picking up the license to make another style of game.

Given the financial performance of the license to date, I'd expect license fees to be dramatically lower next year...

 Firebreak wrote:
Hey I have an idea. Let's do our own retcon, only, instead of Paxton, Nicosa-er, I mean, Earth... Earth blows up Port Arthur, breaking the spine of the nascent NuCoal.

Heh. I know it's a joke, but that would have some quite interesting implications, all in all. For example, what would be Port Arthur's reaction to that? Would they see as a direct attack from the CEF on their attempts on integration? Would that make the colonel to renege of TN and side again with Earth, or would that be the final push in a long story of betrayals and defections?

I was digging into my new blisters, and I'm feeling a bit of angst over my King Cobra and Spitting Cobra models.

In comparing the bitz, the Arena Spitting Cobra is *dramatically* larger than my Tactical-era King Cobra. The body seems nearly 2x as big, with much bigger arms and legs. Also, it appears that the rules/stats are off, as the Tactical King Cobra has the same HRP pack as the Arena (Blitz?) Spitting Cobra.

As my other South stuff is Tactical-era metal, maybe I should just unload the Arena stuff pack? Anybody got an OOP Tactical-era Spitting/Support Cobra they want to trade for the current Arena (Blitz?) Spitting Cobra with "FREE!" Strike Cheetah?
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Crap. It's a Spitting Cobra, no Striking (Bazooka)...

Are you sure it isnt a spitting cobra? I have that blister and I don't recall any bazookas in it that the striking cobra would need. The arena blisters are cool but dont always give you the standard load out iirc but make up for it in extra bits. Id love another strike cheetah but sadly dont have any tact era stuff.

Sorry, yeah, it's a Spitting Cobra, and it definitely does make the standard Spitting Cobra model.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Firebreak wrote:
Hey I have an idea. Let's do our own retcon, only, instead of Paxton, Nicosa-er, I mean, Earth... Earth blows up Port Arthur, breaking the spine of the nascent NuCoal.

Heh. I know it's a joke, but that would have some quite interesting implications, all in all. For example, what would be Port Arthur's reaction to that? Would they see as a direct attack from the CEF on their attempts on integration? Would that make the colonel to renege of TN and side again with Earth, or would that be the final push in a long story of betrayals and defections?

And how would the GRELs react? What would happen to Jan Mayen and Proust?

 Firebreak wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Firebreak wrote:
Hey I have an idea. Let's do our own retcon, only, instead of Paxton, Nicosa-er, I mean, Earth... Earth blows up Port Arthur, breaking the spine of the nascent NuCoal.

Heh. I know it's a joke, but that would have some quite interesting implications, all in all. For example, what would be Port Arthur's reaction to that? Would they see as a direct attack from the CEF on their attempts on integration? Would that make the colonel to renege of TN and side again with Earth, or would that be the final push in a long story of betrayals and defections?

And how would the GRELs react? What would happen to Jan Mayen and Proust?

IIRC, Proust razed Jan Mayen before the blowing up of Peace River, to get to the twins. I'm not sure that it would change much in that regards. As to the rest of the GRELs, if Port Arthur allies itself with the CEF again, the very "buggy" PAK GRELs would have plenty of contact with FLAILs, which could go either way, really.

Ah, the ever-teased twins. Had my dates mixed up.

A Port Arthur civil war could be very interesting.

 Firebreak wrote:
Ah, the ever-teased twins. Had my dates mixed up.

A Port Arthur civil war could be very interesting.

Indeed it could... and then you have the Soldier Roskiman and Scruffy Guy threads you could also pick on, for added chaos to the mix.

Looks like I'm gonna make it to Gencon this year, and I haven't seen anything for Heavy Gear or DP9. :( Makes me sad...

I always liked stopping by their booth and chatting with them. Plus, getting to see all the fully painted studio mini's was always nice.

They're releasing the kickstarter at GenCon.

Do you mean scheduled games or that DP9 isn't even going i.e. no booth in the dealer's hall? I thought nublitz was supposed to premiere there this summer. As for scheduled fan run games, you need fans to run them and HG has long been short of those. Even the gencon get together games that have months to prepare and organize with multiple participants confirming don't happen.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Firebreak wrote:
Ah, the ever-teased twins. Had my dates mixed up.

A Port Arthur civil war could be very interesting.

Indeed it could... and then you have the Soldier Roskiman and Scruffy Guy threads you could also pick on, for added chaos to the mix.

Okay, I officially want a NuCoal civil war scenario/supplement sparked off by the destruction of Port Arthur.

But.. destroying the a populous city in a badlands nation has been proven in the HGverse to just stimulate massive growth heretofore impossible for the remaining population despite the loss of that central powerbase! In 10 years, Port Arthur would be sending invasion fleets TO earth instead of just fighting them off! The puny Banner rule applies in the HGverse. The quickest way to exponentially grow an army overnight is to destroy its manufacturing and recruiting base.

 warboss wrote:
But.. destroying the a populous city in a badlands nation has been proven in the HGverse to just stimulate massive growth heretofore impossible for the remaining population despite the loss of that central powerbase! In 10 years, Port Arthur would be sending invasion fleets TO earth instead of just fighting them off! The puny Banner rule applies in the HGverse. The quickest way to exponentially grow an army overnight is to destroy its manufacturing and recruiting base.

By the Prophet! We've cracked the new landship fluff!!

 Firebreak wrote:

 warboss wrote:
But.. destroying the a populous city in a badlands nation has been proven in the HGverse to just stimulate massive growth heretofore impossible for the remaining population despite the loss of that central powerbase! In 10 years, Port Arthur would be sending invasion fleets TO earth instead of just fighting them off! The puny Banner rule applies in the HGverse. The quickest way to exponentially grow an army overnight is to destroy its manufacturing and recruiting base.

By the Prophet! We've cracked the new landship fluff!!

Now guess the ratio of Terra Novan cities destroyed to the number of Interplantery Landships deployed :O

It won't be cities. It'll be *SPACE*Landships:named characters. The ratio will be at least 3:1.

(Or should that be Land*SPACE*ships?)

 Firebreak wrote:

 warboss wrote:
But.. destroying the a populous city in a badlands nation has been proven in the HGverse to just stimulate massive growth heretofore impossible for the remaining population despite the loss of that central powerbase! In 10 years, Port Arthur would be sending invasion fleets TO earth instead of just fighting them off! The puny Banner rule applies in the HGverse. The quickest way to exponentially grow an army overnight is to destroy its manufacturing and recruiting base.

By the Prophet! We've cracked the new landship fluff!!

Well, taking into account that the second CEF invasion destroyed the southern landship shipyards... it completely checks out


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 Mmmpi wrote:
It won't be cities. It'll be *SPACE*Landships:named characters. The ratio will be at least 3:1.

(Or should that be Land*SPACE*ships?)

Funnily enough, a SPACElandship would make a lot more sense. Kind of like a White Base...


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 Firebreak wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Firebreak wrote:
Ah, the ever-teased twins. Had my dates mixed up.

A Port Arthur civil war could be very interesting.

Indeed it could... and then you have the Soldier Roskiman and Scruffy Guy threads you could also pick on, for added chaos to the mix.

Okay, I officially want a NuCoal civil war scenario/supplement sparked off by the destruction of Port Arthur.

It actually writes itself. It's a very compelling scenario, and it doesn't break the setting or its premises...

Arguably, the Peace River attack could still happen, and the Earth nuking Port Arthur would be the second step in a harrasing campaign from the CEF to prevent the problems it had during the first invasion, that being a cohesive Badlands creating a third front.

An attack against Port Arthur could be prompted by the Yakut Brotherhood after the Peacer River bombing, probably sparked by Colonel Arthur's intent of having closer relationships with the rest of the NuCoal: that would be a threat against a renewed CEF invasion, so the Yakuts would not abide it.

Peace River and Port Arthur getting attacked sets up an interesting scenario regarding NuCoals NuGears, too. Some of them - I'd still see most of them disappear - could exist as part of a NATO-style joint defense program. (That is, behind schedule, overbudget, and lacking most of the features everyone wanted.) It would bulk out Paxton's line and make a little more sense than SUDDENLY HUMANIST GENIUS MAGIC. I'd like to see the Dark upgrades remain, but maybe the Claw series not launch or even enter development until the WfTN actually begins.

 warboss wrote:
Do you mean scheduled games or that DP9 isn't even going i.e. no booth in the dealer's hall? I thought nublitz was supposed to premiere there this summer. As for scheduled fan run games, you need fans to run them and HG has long been short of those. Even the gencon get together games that have months to prepare and organize with multiple participants confirming don't happen.

Oh, hey! DP9 does have a booth at Gencon this year! #1321, right next to Margerat Weis Productions and behind Upper Deck. it's not the smallest booth an exhibitor can get- it's the next size up. LOL Still haven't found any events for them in the gaming area. :( I might try the DP9 forums, but that place always makes me feel... sad.

And about the nuking of Paxton and landship yards, etc. etc. DP9 just uses the events of WWII as a play book for their own history. PAXTON got nuked just like Hiroshima, but Japan moved on to become a leading electronics and automotive industrial juggernaut after the war.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor made it such that many wrote off the US Pacific Fleet... but it just so happened that all the aircraft carriers were not in port that day, and it turned out those aircraft carriers won the Pacific Theater for the US.

Again, and again, DP9 has "ripped off" history for their own universe. I'm not saying it's a bad thing or not, just that that is where they get a lot of their inspiration from. Does it make any sense? /shrug

The difference is that Japan was then rebuilt thanks to the country that nuked it which also provided for its protection allowing the Japan to spend very little of its GDP on defense unlike the US... and it still took 20+ years for that electronics and automotive juggernaut to *start* happening. The equivalent from Heavy Gear would be more like if the US had nuked almost every major city and industrial area in Japan on Dec 8th, 1941 and Japan ended up winning the Pacific war decisively anyways by becoming a military and industrial juggernaut with all new advanced tech despite that.

As for Gencon, judging from a thread earlier this year when the events were due and then released, there aren't any official events outside of demos in the dealer's hall nor are there any fan run scheduled game events either. There was the usual half hearted talk of a get together unofficial game but that has consistently fallen apart in years prior.

 warboss wrote:
As for Gencon, judging from a thread earlier this year when the events were due and then released, there aren't any official events outside of demos in the dealer's hall nor are there any fan run scheduled game events either. There was the usual half hearted talk of a get together unofficial game but that has consistently fallen apart in years prior.

Once again, the Pod follows in Palladium's footsteps!

The Pod should "poll" the backers whether they should sell a "select" amount of product at Gencon prior to fulfilling KS Backers.

In all seriousness, I don't recall if they made that pledge. If they didn't, IMO they're free legally and morally to do so but it obviously may not be in their best long term financial interests (a concern that never particularly bothered them in the past).

So, for those going with access to the games, are there no fan run or official run Robotech or HG events at all at gencon beyond dealer hall mini-demos? That's a sad statement for the mech tabletop genre. I guess folks can get their fix with Battletech/Alpha Strike instead.


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On an unrelated note, has anyone here played a good amount or tried to play a good amount of arena? Why did that game fail specifically? (beyond the usual bugbears inherent with using the blitz silhouette system) They gave away a free copy of the rules a few years ago in some contest or promo (for HGA on facebook?) that I downloaded but I must not have kept it on more than one hard drive as I can't find it anymore.

Quite frankly, I doubt the Pod would even deign to ask. If the Pod can make an extra penny at the expense of their existing customers, what would they do?

And even if they did make such a promise to fullfill KS backers before selling to the public, it's not like the Pod doesn't retract promises when it's financially convenient for them to do so.

But getting back to GenCon, it's not that surprising. Reaper CAV was kind of a thud. RRT is dead in the water. HG is kinda floundering. OTOH, if someone announces a PacRim game using the X-wing mechanics...

Nah. A Pacrim game, even if released in conjunction with the sequel for a boost, would IMO be a flash in the pan less impressive than the already forgotten about MonPoc. I would offer though that HG might make a turn around. Yes, it's optimistic and plenty of screw ups can happen but it's floundering LESS than it was a year, two years, or three years ago. Baby steps...