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LRB 2019 edition? Also, the Rafm lots finished last night at over $600 combined for a neat $20 each on average... Anyone here try and/or win a lot?



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 Albertorius wrote:

Oh, absolutely. That's one of the charms of the setting, and it made it be very believable. Particularly because it was extrapolated to everything, not only Gears and Gear-adjacent stuff.

Agreed! I liked that there was a tool box you could refer to with Gears being the swiss army knife capable of performing many roles adequately but clearly not the optimal choice for much of it.

 warboss wrote:
the RAFM minis are almost up to $300 for all the lots combined. Wow, there sure is alot of interest in that scale!

Quite a bit additional RAFM stuff popped up! New box, even!

Indeed! Striders and a squad box this time as well. When it rains, it pours I suppose. Not my stuff either this time btw.

Yeah. Those Striders are over $60 already. I wonder what they close at.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yeah. Those Striders are over $60 already. I wonder what they close at.

Geez, probably somewhere just south of $100 USD. And new in box! It seems like somebody found an old stash in their dad's storage garage or something.

It's funny (in a sad clown way not the haha kind) that we're more excited about the appearance of DP9's first products on the second hand market than their current efforts.

Moreso that it's RAFM, not DP9!

Besides, my personal interest only lies with the super-rare 1st gen 1/144 scale pre-Blitz product with the hazard markings.

The new stuff is oversized, though I wouldn't be opposed to getting a RAFM Cobra to count as whatever the South's Gear Strider is.

More RAFM figs up, most likely going to go for too much again

http://stores.ebay.com/Winland-Books/_i.html?_nkw=rafm&submit=Search&_sid=7231589

 John Prins wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yeah. Those Striders are over $60 already. I wonder what they close at.

Geez, probably somewhere just south of $100 USD. And new in box! It seems like somebody found an old stash in their dad's storage garage or something.

Maybe its DP9 trying to raise up some cash with old stuff they had stashed away?

No international post. So not for me, even if I had the money and enough desire to spend it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Moreso that it's RAFM, not DP9!

Besides, my personal interest only lies with the super-rare 1st gen 1/144 scale pre-Blitz product with the hazard markings.

The new stuff is oversized, though I wouldn't be opposed to getting a RAFM Cobra to count as whatever the South's Gear Strider is.

I'm not an old HG grognard, but I do prefer the RAFM sculpts sizing decisions over the current make things larger or smaller to indicate their relative "power."

And, while I appreciate this is old territory to go over, choosing 10/12mm over a more popular wargame size like 15mm beggars belief.

Oh yes, I do know I've just done the whole wargame size not scale thing, so let me rephrase.

Choosing 1/87th was quite frankly a very bold decision that isolated the range from more common wargaming scales. Then going to 1/144th or 1/160th was made the original 1/87th scale look positively unimaginative.

BTW: I'm British, the above is British sense of humour.

At the time, was 15mm a more popular scale? I remember when Gear Krieg came out in 15mm it was considered surprising because everyone did WW2 in 20mm or 6mm (Battlefront at the time were a mostly unheard-of manufacturer with a small WW2 armour range). I can't remember if anyone was doing 15mm SF except GZG (or again, did that start later?)

Describing it in terms of a modelling scale rather than a wargaming size was the unusual bit. That's pretty new, though; it was only the miniatures released with the Blitz rules that were "stretched".

But yes, I wish they'd kept everything to scale rather than exaggerating the larger and smaller models.

The scales in Heavy Gear correspond to HO and N scale in the railroad miniatures hobby. I suspect they wanted to capitalize on the plethora of existing terrain in the days before 15mm modern to sci-fi terrain was widely available in the dark and primitive days of the previous millenium.

I'd almost agree, but – and this may be because I'm from England – 15mm SF has been around since almost forever.

Let me define that.

From the 1980s.: Citadel nee GW Traveller, Laserburn, and GZG all go back that far.

Don't get me wrong, just saying for the record.

 warboss wrote:
The scales in Heavy Gear correspond to HO and N scale in the railroad miniatures hobby. I suspect they wanted to capitalize on the plethora of existing terrain in the days before 15mm modern to sci-fi terrain was widely available in the dark and primitive days of the previous millenium.

For "real world", railroad terrain is still the answer.

Yeah, I really have no issue with the move to 10/12mm scale stuff specifically because of all the N-scale rairoad terrain out there, it made sense. Same reasoning they must have used for the the old RAFM stuff being 1/87 instead of 25mm or 28mm, 1/87 is HO scale.

And especially now that there's so much awesome N-scale modern terrain coming out of Japan, I've been tempted to do a city board just because it'd be awesome. Tomytec has been around for a few years doing pre-painted terrain in N-scale, they have all kinds of awesome buildings, and there's a bunch of Outland Buildings as well if you want high-rises. All of them are super cheap, like $10 to $15 range, but you'd need quite a few to to do a full board

various Outland buildings

more outland Buildings

Tomytec stuff

 Kalamadea wrote:
Tomytec has been around for a few years doing pre-painted terrain in N-scale, they have all kinds of awesome buildings, and there's a bunch of Outland Buildings as well if you want high-rises. All of them are super cheap, like $10 to $15 range, but you'd need quite a few to to do a full board

various Outland buildings

Holy crap, those are fantastic!

 Paint it Pink wrote:
I'd almost agree, but – and this may be because I'm from England – 15mm SF has been around since almost forever.

Let me define that.

From the 1980s.: Citadel nee GW Traveller, Laserburn, and GZG all go back that far.

Don't get me wrong, just saying for the record.

I know 15mm scifi existed back then but I don't believe that 15mm terrain was as widely available as now. Back in the late mid to late 90's in the US, the breath and quality of railroad scaled terrain in the average local railroad hobby store soundly beat out what I was seeing for sale at the much larger Gencon convention for modern or scifi games. That's obviously no longer the case now but I was more referring to the motives DP9 had (and the advice their staff directly gave me when I inquired about RAFM scale terrain during that era).


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 Kalamadea wrote:
Yeah, I really have no issue with the move to 10/12mm scale stuff specifically because of all the N-scale rairoad terrain out there, it made sense. Same reasoning they must have used for the the old RAFM stuff being 1/87 instead of 25mm or 28mm, 1/87 is HO scale.

And especially now that there's so much awesome N-scale modern terrain coming out of Japan, I've been tempted to do a city board just because it'd be awesome. Tomytec has been around for a few years doing pre-painted terrain in N-scale, they have all kinds of awesome buildings, and there's a bunch of Outland Buildings as well if you want high-rises. All of them are super cheap, like $10 to $15 range, but you'd need quite a few to to do a full board

various Outland buildings

more outland Buildings

Tomytec stuff

Nice! Those are relativley affordable if purchased over time. They obviously need to be painted unlike some railroad terrain but at least you're not limiting yourself to only fighting in the midwest United States sometime in the 1960s+/-20 years.

Well, haven't posted in this thread in ages, and what a long, strange trip it's been for the Pod. I have to admit that I should probably eat a little crow for saying that I thought they were screwed after losing money by mishandling the exchange rate; I really expected them to be in deep trouble trying to deliver the moulds they'd promised with the money they had left. Kudos to Robert for managing to find his way through that mess, even if it was self-inflicted. A far better performance than Palladium. Still, I think they managed it by cutting a couple figures, AND delivering some remarkably poor plastics (everything about their "weird" proportions and posing is for ease and cost of moulding).

I saw Warboss also asked the question again about what would it take to bring one back to the Pod... in a way, I never left. I just recently bought some of their RPG PDFs, both on DTRPG and Bundle of Holding, as I've been thinking of running some Silhouette-based RPG sessions for the first time in about 10 years. No doubt I'll be mixing some minis-based mecha combat in there where appropriate. But, dear God! I wish Robert would have some competent scans made of their books. The official PDFs are worse than amateur hour, and I could produce (and have in the past) something vastly better if I was willing to destroy my books (which you can hilariously see the Pod did in some of their scans, and yet still the quality was atrocious!).

Beyond that? They'd have to lower their prices on most of their stuff to convince me to buy it anywhere other than second-hand. Which they won't do, and that's a shame, as I'd still happily spend money with them in spite of everything (I sold off my HG RAFM stuff (which included everything ever produced) a number of years ago, and then the bulk of my HG Tac stuff a couple years ago). I'm now thinking of diving back in with the Leclerc stuff, and I was toying with purchasing a bunch of the JC minis, so it could still happen. But again, not at the current pricing.

As for the new rules? Who cares! Like Albertorius, I have everything I'll ever need from the Pod in that respect, and I have liked the newer rulesets less and less with each iteration (though there've been bright spots I've stolen). Beyond that, like HudsonD said, the Pod I knew and fell in love with has been gone for almost twenty years now. Anything else creative I might've wished they'd done will simply never happen (or it will happen, but it'll be done so badly that it'll make me throw up in my mouth a little). Ah, well... such is life.

So, I have a fluff question.

I'm looking at putting together a WFPA, and I'm not sure what exactly goes in it. I know the whole older equipment thing, and I understand the current rules for making a WFPA list. What I'm interested in are the rough limits. I know Cheetahs, Jags, Kodiaks, and Grizzlies are SU only. But even then, how rare are they? What is an appropriate amount of the rare stuff to fit the fluff. If I make an army that has three support units, and in each one are 3 Jags for example, is that too much? Also basic formation stuff. What squad sizes do they prefer (4/5/6?) stuff like that. I recently picked up the League book, but I'm still working my way through it.

Do you have access to the older rules (whether the RPG or the more recent blitz rules)? Those have some additional restrictions IIRC. I wouldn't spread out so many relatively advanced/modern gears in an WFPA army if you're trying to go for the theme especially given the small size of actual played armies people use. Personally, I'd say limit the modern gen gears to a single unit (core and support) and make that the "elite" squad. Other than that, make sure to upgrade as many of the older equipped squads to veteran as possible to illustrate their "oldie but goodie" grizzled veteran style. Just my thoughts so YMMV.

p.s. I guess DP9 has stopped messaging the original kickstarter backers (I was in for a buck) about the newer campaigns. Wasn't the Nucoal one supposed to be up by now or something?

Thanks for the info.

As for the KS:

I think I remember Rob saying the Nucoal/PR one was being pushed back.

And He's apparently so busy running a company solo that he missed the last KS update. vf-xx on the DP9 forums apparently found a "Sorry I'm late" apology on FB. Still nothing as of me writing this on the KS page though.

 Mmmpi wrote:

And He's apparently so busy running a company solo that he missed the last KS update.

Thanks. I predicted earlier something like that would be an issue going forward but it's admittely not some monumental leap of logic on my part.

So, back to my original question.

How does this look as a hypothetical list for including advanced gears.

GP
Head Hunter Gunner (Stripped)
Hunter UC (Stripped)
Assault Hunter (Stripped)
Sniper team
Sniper team
-SK (SU)
-Sniper Jaguar
-Hunter XMG Grenadier*
-Hunter XMG Grenadier*

FS
Den Mother
Bear
Mauler Bear
Hunter
Hunter
-RC (SU)
-Cheetah
-Riotmaster WIldcat
-Riotmaster Wildcat

Infantry
Grenadier Squad
Grenadier Squad
AT Squad
AT Squad
Recon Squad
-Duelist--Strike Cheetah**

*Represents souped up hunters
**Duelists get better options

This gives 3 advanced gears, all in different squads and different roles (sniper, EW, Action movie star).

 Mmmpi wrote:
And He's apparently so busy running a company solo that he missed the last KS update.

I kinda figured that was going to happen, very glad I immediately bought the last of the JC models I needed when it was first announced that DP9 had dropped to a 1-man operation. Figured if I waited even a bit he was gonna get too swamped to handle orders. Kinda wish i had also gotten some resin mount legs, but oh well

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
At the time, was 15mm a more popular scale? I remember when Gear Krieg came out in 15mm it was considered surprising because everyone did WW2 in 20mm or 6mm (Battlefront at the time were a mostly unheard-of manufacturer with a small WW2 armour range). I can't remember if anyone was doing 15mm SF except GZG (or again, did that start later?)

In SF, 15mm was definitely a thing. Multiple ranges, building etc, etc.

But you're right about the WW2 being either 20mm or 6mm.

Also, I suspect Gear Krieg wasn't quite the right name. Weird War Krieg more accurately describes the genre, except that Weird tends to imply super-science, and the Gear Krieg models don't quite nail it.

I wasn't aware of ww2 being in those scales.

FWIW, DP9 sent out a kickstarter update (to the first KS, not sure of the others) saying that the Nucoal/Paxton campaign is starting on April 18th.

 warboss wrote:
I wasn't aware of ww2 being in those scales.

FWIW, DP9 sent out a kickstarter update (to the first KS, not sure of the others) saying that the Nucoal/Paxton campaign is starting on April 18th.

I can't afford to commit myself to it without a really good reason.

Happy to give DP9 money, but only for things i want.

Pilum infantry in the style of the exoskeleton armor suits in Edge of Tomorrow, now that would see me making a commitment.

 Mmmpi wrote:
So, I have a fluff question.

I'm looking at putting together a WFPA, and I'm not sure what exactly goes in it. I know the whole older equipment thing, and I understand the current rules for making a WFPA list. What I'm interested in are the rough limits. I know Cheetahs, Jags, Kodiaks, and Grizzlies are SU only. But even then, how rare are they? What is an appropriate amount of the rare stuff to fit the fluff. If I make an army that has three support units, and in each one are 3 Jags for example, is that too much? Also basic formation stuff. What squad sizes do they prefer (4/5/6?) stuff like that. I recently picked up the League book, but I'm still working my way through it.

Locked and Loaded is a good reference for this. Jaguars were mostly in Strike Squads, which the WFPA has listed as Elites, and Ranger Squads, which were Specialists. That puts Jaguars into the 'pretty darn rare' category.

As a suggestion, I'd attach Jaguars only to Veteran units - even though the SU won't be veteran per the WFPA rules, unless you're taking the Elite Army option, then go nuts. But if you're going non-elite, slap all the Jaguars in a SU attached to Veteran unit, don't spread them out.

Ditto with Cheetahs, though you're not being fluffy with WFPA unless you take Bobcats over Cheetahs.

WFPA should be 5 man squads. 6 man squads was a southern thing. WFPA is about older gears, Razorbacks, Bears, Bobcats, SD Hunters, Mad Dogs. Can't go wrong with baseline Hunters, either, as WFPA.


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 Paint it Pink wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I wasn't aware of ww2 being in those scales.

FWIW, DP9 sent out a kickstarter update (to the first KS, not sure of the others) saying that the Nucoal/Paxton campaign is starting on April 18th.

I can't afford to commit myself to it without a really good reason.

Happy to give DP9 money, but only for things i want.

Pilum infantry in the style of the exoskeleton armor suits in Edge of Tomorrow, now that would see me making a commitment.

PILUM Infantry got deleted, though who knows what the KS will bring.

 Paint it Pink wrote:
I can't afford to commit myself to it without a really good reason.

Happy to give DP9 money, but only for things i want.

Pilum infantry in the style of the exoskeleton armor suits in Edge of Tomorrow, now that would see me making a commitment.

I'm in the same boat as long as the design of the plastics is better this time around. The Pilum models would be interesting although infantry scales with HG have always been a bit off. The more recent stuff is larger/more exaggerated which can annoy scale afficionados a bit.

 John Prins wrote:

PILUM Infantry got deleted, though who knows what the KS will bring.

Did they actually get deleted from existence or are they just not yet stat'ed up? That's news to me regardless. I don't recall what the issue was with them in old blitz exactly but something was up with their rules (they were as good or better than grel from less points maybe? aka the chief playtester only plays paxton effect).