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I wouldn't really be surprised to learn that Dave was the one doing the lion's share of the work regarding the KS either, TBH.

Taking it all into account, and given that he can't really advertise much, doing yet another Kickstarter where they barely reach their goal (or fail to do so) might even be detrimental for the company.

Well, I left a post on the 9 forums asking about the delay.

Rob posted this:
http://dp9forum.com/index.php?/topic/18296-heavy-gear-blitz-peace-river-nucoal-kickstarter-launch-update-and-nucoal-chevalier-3d-model-preview/

Just figured I'd pass it on.

 Mmmpi wrote:
Well, I left a post on the 9 forums asking about the delay.

Rob posted this:
http://dp9forum.com/index.php?/topic/18296-heavy-gear-blitz-peace-river-nucoal-kickstarter-launch-update-and-nucoal-chevalier-3d-model-preview/

Just figured I'd pass it on.

Interesting...




Well, I must say that those two renders look significantly better than the ones from the othe KSs, IMHO... although I have to wonder why all the Chevalier render's views are from above instead od from the side.

I'm not a fan of the Chevalier's feet. I like the way the ones on the metal one looked both sleek and big, rather then the blocky ones in the picture.

Granted I haven't been paying attention in recent years but I did notice after reading the above (and the update with the same that came out for the original kickstarter), I didn't see any mention of the Chasseur Mk II which I preferred (and own) ever. Did that get absorbed into the normal Chasseur or is it just a metal specialty model/possible unmentioned stretch goal?

The Chevalier looks good enough, although it looks more like a scaled down giant robot than a VOTOMS-class Gear.

 warboss wrote:
Granted I haven't been paying attention in recent years but I did notice after reading the above (and the update with the same that came out for the original kickstarter), I didn't see any mention of the Chasseur Mk II which I preferred (and own) ever. Did that get absorbed into the normal Chasseur or is it just a metal specialty model/possible unmentioned stretch goal?

Could be an upgrade pack too. A different set of arms and backpack maybe?


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$JohnDD Yeah, one of the things I liked about the metal chevalier torso was that it reminded me of the nose of a fighter plane.

Damnit, I was thinking of the Cuirassier one.

 Mmmpi wrote:

Could be an upgrade pack too. A different set of arms and backpack maybe?

Possibly if a stretch goal. The difference between the Mk 1 and 2 is actually more (chest, legs, and feet on top of the backpack) but that's me as a fan of the design nitpicking. I could see it reasonably being a leg and backpack bits upgrade to the standard Chasseur.

On the other hand, the Mk2 could just flat out be an unlock.

Based on the 1st KS, I'm guessing unlocks for NuCoal would be Mk2, Arbalist, and Jerboa.

Ran into these today, some of it might be useful for a HG table (also make 28, 35mm terrain)

https://www.impudentmortal.com/product-category/terrain/15mm-terrain/

 Mmmpi wrote:
I'm not a fan of the Chevalier's feet. I like the way the ones on the metal one looked both sleek and big, rather then the blocky ones in the picture.

I actuall didn't notice but you're absolutely right: the feet of both the Chevalier and the Chasseur are... not very good. I want to say that the Chasseur's are worse because they look like two lego blocks, but...


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The Chevalier looks good enough, although it looks more like a scaled down giant robot than a VOTOMS-class Gear.

That's a definite issue with most of the "post-CORE" DP9 designs, yes.

So, it looks like Wednesday is when he wants it to go. Don't know if he's advertised it or not. I haven't see any news posted anywhere but the DP9 forum, and that was in response to me asking.

Having said that, I think I like the Jerboa render better then the metal. While I've been less attached to the game line compared to many of you, much of the plastic line still was at the "good enough" level, rather then great. This one though I'm feeling.

It's been a while since I looked at the metal jerboa but I wasn't personally too big a fan of the buttwheel family overall myself so can't comment. The design does seem better than the ones you posted above though. A large part of that may be because it doesn't have puffy lego slippers though.

Yeah, it does look sleeker. Reminds me of USAF aircraft from the mid 1950's, at least a bit.

Rob just announced that the KS is dropping on the evening of the 25th.

Thanks for the update. I went to the forum to take a look and found this image. It's admittedly nitpicking but it's really not hard to import a 3d file into a program and take a screen shot. Asthetically, the one gear in the back that wasn't screenshotted in Solidworks sticks out like Waldo hiding in a nudist beach group picture, lol.

Very true. It is a good look at what to expect quality wise for the others though.

Is it just me, or are all of the gears incredibly samey? Like they might as well have been an offshoot of North?

Well, here we are on the night of the 25th (EST). 9:42 PM. Still no KS drop. I wonder if Rob forgot.


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It looks like they posted on facebook that they were delaying until tomorrow.

You'd think he'd post that on his own forum...

 Mmmpi wrote:
Well, here we are on the night of the 25th (EST). 9:42 PM. Still no KS drop. I wonder if Rob forgot.


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It looks like they posted on facebook that they were delaying until tomorrow.

You'd think he'd post that on his own forum...

Naw, apparently they're still working on the graphics so it got pushed backed to tomorrow.

Thanks for the update. Hopefull my minor yet front and center pet peeve will be addressed.

The PRDF/NuCoal Kickstarter is up. Almost at 20K of 25K 'goal' on the first day, much more support than Utopia got (no surprise, really).

It's almost like it's the KS people want them to run...

They hit the 25K mark, so they're on to stretch goals with 26 days to go.

...He's now advertising his KS. Why didn't he do that earlier?

Is there a belief that more people will sign up for one if it's already hit it's base goal?


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So, it turns out I missed his announcement here on the news forum.

 Mmmpi wrote:
...He's now advertising his KS. Why didn't he do that earlier?

I see this a lot with Kickstarters, that companies don't advertise until they're a few days in - and by that I mean that news of the KS doesn't show up on the gaming news sites/forums. Not sure why this is, but I generally chalk it up to the creators being too busy getting the campaign ready to talk to those sites.

Is there a belief that more people will sign up for one if it's already hit it's base goal?

There's definitely a psychological element to it. You can cancel your pledge any time before the KS ends, but people shy away from backing one that hasn't hit its pledge goal. I think this has to do with the fact that KS that barely make their starting goal tend to be lower value than ones that have hit a bunch of stretch goals. For example, if the PR/NuC KS only gets 25K, you get 8 minis for $70 CAD, which is kinda crap. OTOH, if it hits 70K, 19 minis for $70 CAD. So people fear the most the KS that barely makes its funding, because it's the lowest possible value.

Note the Utopia KS cranked up the value late in the campaign just to meet the base funding, so it's a bit of a shell game in some respects - I'd wager most KS hold back part of the expected 'starter' to use as stretch goals and build hype.

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So, it turns out I missed his announcement here on the news forum.

Yeah, the Recent Threads forum moves pretty quickly, it's very easy for stuff to get lost. Even the News and Rumors forum can scroll down pretty quick if there's lots of postings, I wonder if new threads in that forum shouldn't be pinned to the top for a few days or something.

 Mmmpi wrote:
...He's now advertising his KS. Why didn't he do that earlier?

Is there a belief that more people will sign up for one if it's already hit it's base goal?


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So, it turns out I missed his announcement here on the news forum.

You might not have missed out on it as much as it would appear. The kickstarter thread was posted over in misc other games (not this subforum that has HG as the prototypical example but the other one) and I asked the mods to move it over to news and rumors when I noticed it.


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 John Prins wrote:


Note the Utopia KS cranked up the value late in the campaign just to meet the base funding, so it's a bit of a shell game in some respects - I'd wager most KS hold back part of the expected 'starter' to use as stretch goals and build hype.

My guess is that we'll see a jump similar to that in the closing days to bump up the funding by a stretch goal or two. This is the money that likely will keep the lights on at DP9 for some portion of the next year or two after all.

On an unrelated note, it's good to see that other folks (even if they're either freelancers or subcontractors) and that it's not just a one man band.



Does Phil do anything anymore with DP9 other than chibis? I don't remember the last traditionally sculpted model in the line that I can recall. The big push during the final years of oldblitz was for the "big" models like aircraft, tanks, and (gear)striders which from what I remember of concept art were all digitally produced. Alan is listed as the resin minis maker but no mention of metals; I wonder if he also does metal models or if once the stock runs out that's it (and the plastics are the only choice).

Greg Perkins is also mentioned and I remember the name from the forums but can't connect it with a username/forum tag.

IIRC Greg's handle on the DP9 forum was Mason.

Ah, ok, thanks. I knew the name sounded familiar! I remember him for his painted minis but didn't recall him doing graphic design as well.

Huh, I'm reading through his stickied painting thread right now. I think I'm up to 2008...

 warboss wrote:
Ah, ok, thanks. I knew the name sounded familiar! I remember him for his painted minis but didn't recall him doing graphic design as well.

IIRC Greg did much of the graphic design before, during and immediately after Drop Bears Dive!. My understanding is that he became much less involved when he and Jason Dickerson left to found Arkrite Press. I don't know who took over the graphic design work at that point.