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I was wondering. What is the worst 1750 point army any army in the game can make?

Of course, the list would have to be as close to 1750 points as possible.

Tau

Aun'Va
Darkstrider

3 x 6 stealthsuit teams
each with 2 fusion suits and target locks
two with Shas'Vre upgrade

2 x 6 man FW teams

3 x 12 man Vespid with strain leaders

1 x Sniper drone team 3 marksmen and 7 drones

1750 on the dot.

This is my entry

HQ
Lord Kaldor Draigo (275)

Grand Master (415)
Mastery level 2; Servo-skulls(x3); Blind grenades; Meltabombs; Digital weapons; Psybolt ammunition; Empyrean brain mines; Psychotroke grenades; Rad grenades; Orbital strike relay; Master crafted Psilencer; Master crafted Nemesis warding stave

Techmarine (250)
Psyk-out grenades; Conversion beamer; Nemesis warding stave; Blind grenades; Meltabombs; Psybolt ammunition; Empyrean brain mines; Rad grenades; Psychotroke grenades; Digital weapons; Orbital strike relay;

Techmarine (250)
Psyk-out grenades; Conversion beamer; Nemesis warding stave; Blind grenades; Meltabombs; Psybolt ammunition; Empyrean brain mines; Rad grenades; Psychotroke grenades; Digital weapons; Orbital strike relay;

Techmarine (209)
Psyk-out grenades; Conversion beamer; Nemesis warding stave; Servo-sculls(x3); Blind grenades; Meltabombs; Psybolt ammunition; Empyrean brain mines; Rad grenades; Psychotroke grenades; Digital weapons;

Paladin(175)
Apothecary w/ Brotherhood Banner, Psybolt


Paladin(175)
Apothecary w/ Brotherhood Banner, Psybolt

7 Models, none of which have any real movement or shooting ability or CC ability.

This is actually quite a difficult question to answer - you want everything to be specialised towards killing one type of enemy, you want elite troops to avoid high numbers that you can use to block things off and such but you don't want tough troops because they might not give up victory points as easy as you'd like. Having things rely on chance is good as long as there is no realistic chance for something awesome to happen - you can build a list with 10 Shokk Attack Guns but it isn't actually that bad because there's a good chance you're going to get the "remove all models under the marker" result once or twice during the battle.

I think one of the worst list you can make uses the Necron Dark Harvest list from IA:12.
HQ
Maynarkh Overlord - 90
Maynarkh Overlord - 90
Troops
20 Flayed Ones - 260
20 Flayed Ones - 260
20 Flayed Ones - 260
20 Flayed Ones - 260
20 Flayed Ones - 260
20 Flayed Ones - 260
Fast Attack
Maynarkh Scarabs, 9 bases - 135
Maynarkh Scarabs, 9 bases - 135
Total: 1750

You have numbers, but that's about it. 120 4+ save bodies that can't do anything outside of close combat and some scarabs that die easily to whatever anti-tank fire your opponent has because there's nothing else for it to shoot at. The lords not only have no wargear to speak of, they also risk killing their unit if they successfully make assault. They isn't much worse than this, it might be better than a really bad CSM list or something but for the sheer cost and relative uselessness of all those troops it has to be right up there.

I disagree i think that this list would be worse:

Hq-CCs =50pts

Hq-CCs =50pts

Troop-
Pcs =30
x5 infantry squad=250pts
conscripts x50 =200pts

Troop-
Pcs =30pts
x5 infantry squads =250pts
conscripts x50 =200pts

Troop-
Pcs =30pts
x5 infantry squads =250pts
conscripts x50 =200pts

Troop-vet squad =70pts
Troop-vet squad =70pts
Troop-vet squad =70pts

This is 1750pts on the dot unless you are playing orks who are all on foot with sluggas and the guy doesn't like assaulting there should be no way to win, as you can't touch Av, hit T7+ or have high enough Ld to not run away with the highest Ld of 9 lowest of 5.

Eldar list.
Illic - 140
10 Banshees, Exarch, Disarming Strike, Stalker, Mirror Swords - 190
10 Banshees, Exarch, Disarming Strike, Stalker, Mirror Swords - 190
10 Banshees, Exarch, Disarming Strike, Stalker, Mirror Swords - 190
10 Pathfinders - 250
10 Pathfinders - 250
10 Pathfinders - 250
10 Pathfinders - 250
Vyper , vectored engines - 65

1750 dead on.

No one made a penal legion list yet... i tried it a month ago and well, it did not end well at all.

On second thought this list would probably beat the necron list above, because 700 lasgun shots is a lot, unless you get into combat it will blow you off the board.


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 Swastakowey wrote:
No one made a penal legion list yet... i tried it a month ago and well, it did not end well at all.

Penal legion units can get rending if your lucky, rending can hurt AV units so...

Blood angels (no upgrades unless specified)

Sanguinor

Astorath

9 tactical marines x 6 (dont get the guns they are taxed for unless 10men)

Techmarine

Techmarine

Techmarine

3 scout bikes
1 combi-flamer

Landspeeder

Landspeeder

1749pts

Couldnt lose to that if you tried!


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Im changing it actually!

Sanguinor

Techmarine x3
Servo harness, thunder hammer, storm bolter, 5 servitors

9 tactical marines x6

1748pts


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Now thats even worse!

I think all of mine are pretty close to worst from the way I have been playing in 6th. Just take a fairly ok list in 5th edition and don't update it at all for 6th and then BAM you got a "never ever wins" list. I guess eventually I'll have to update somehow... or just wait for new books.

EXAMPLE:
Blood Angels DOA list... DOA used to mean Descent of Angels... now well it means what DOA always meant...

Librarian
Priest
2x5 Sanguinary Guard
2x10 Assault Marines
2x5 Vanguard Veterans

OR

GK Paladin Stormraven list

Draigo
Libbie
2x5 Paladins
2x Stormravens

I'll just put down Draigo in deployment and see if you can get to him and kill him before the Ravens show up. So you will table me in 1 turn or probably more like 4.


The sad thing is that I converted and painted up these lists and played them with fun/good results for a long time... now they are laughably bad. I won't even start in on my old Bloodcrusher list...

I think I got ya all beat.... First off, gotta use CSM, it's got the most worst stuff of any book available.
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HQ.
1. Nekkid Chaos Lord 65 (gotta save points for the bad things)
65

Elites
1. 3xMutilators (unmarked) 165
2. 3xMutilators (unmarked) 165
3. 3xMutilators (unmarked) 165

Troops
1. 10xCSM with Bolters, Champ with a Bolter (phear the bolter)
2. 10xCultists

Fast Attack.
1. 5xWarp Talons 200
2. 5xWarp Talons 200
3. 5xWarp Talons 200

Heavy Support
1. Forgefiend with 3xEcto 200
2. Forgefiend with 3xEcto 200

Edit: 1750 Total.

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There you have it folks... one big steaming pile of junk that would lose to all but that steaming pile of Tau junk up above (well done sir)

Okay now for my other codex Dark Angels

Asmodai

2 x 10 company veterans
1 x 5 company veterans

2 x 5 scouts with bolters and camo cloaks

3 x Nephilim Jetfighters

3 x LS Vengance with assualt cannons

Astorath - 220

Sanguinor - 275

Techmarine w/ servo-harness, plasma pistol, thunder hammer - 120

Techmarine w/ servo-harness, plasma pistol, thunder hammer - 120

Techmarine w/ servo-harness, plasma pistol, thunder hammer, 2 servitors - 150

6 Death Company w/ jump packs, 2 thunder hammers each - 570

3 Death Company w/ jump packs, 2 thunder hammers each - 285

1750


16 models, nothing is scoring in any mission, nothing shoots more than 12", and still is 7 kill points.

How about:

Black Legion supplement:
Daemon Prince w/ Hand of Darkness, combat familiar, mark of khorne 225pts (not even flying or has power armor)
Dark Apostle w/ the eye of night, mark of khorne, combat familiar 205 pts

Chosen squad x 5 w/ veterans of the long war, 4x lightning claw, 1x power fist (champion), mark of tzeench, meltabombs (champion), gift of mutation (champion), Icon of flame - 285

Chosen squad x 5 w/ veterans of the long war, 4x lightning claw, 1x power fist (champion), mark of tzeench, meltabombs (champion), gift of mutation (champion), Icon of flame - 285

Chosen squad x 5 w/ veterans of the long war, 4x lightning claw, 1x power fist (champion), mark of tzeench, meltabombs (champion), gift of mutation (champion), Icon of flame - 285

Chosen squad x 5 w/ veterans of the long war, 4x lightning claw, 1x power fist (champion), mark of tzeench, meltabombs (champion), gift of mutation (champion), Icon of flame - 285

Chosen squad x 5 w/ veterans of the long war, 1x lightning claw, 1x power fist (champion), mark of tzeench, meltabombs (champion), gift of mutation (champion) - 180

Loreweaver I disagree with you, forge fiends can kill stuff so replace them with mauler fiends and give mutalators mark of slaneesh so they get the I boost to their power fists.

Thud wrote:
Astorath - 220

Sanguinor - 275

Techmarine w/ servo-harness, plasma pistol, thunder hammer - 120

Techmarine w/ servo-harness, plasma pistol, thunder hammer - 120

Techmarine w/ servo-harness, plasma pistol, thunder hammer, 2 servitors - 150

6 Death Company w/ jump packs, 2 thunder hammers each - 570

3 Death Company w/ jump packs, 2 thunder hammers each - 285

1750


16 models, nothing is scoring in any mission, nothing shoots more than 12", and still is 7 kill points.

Haha love it!

This is such a great thread.

You really do want to use an older codex for this, as most 6th ed books have drastic points reductions. I, personally, would use Tyranids (they have some of the most expensive and worthless upgrades):

HQ
Tyranid Prime 85
-Scything Talons, Deathspitter

Elites
3x Lictors 195
3x Lictors 195
3x Lictors 195

Troops
9x Warriors 360
-Spinefists, Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs

9x Warriors 360
-Spinefists, Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs

9x Warriors 360
-Spinefists, Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs

1,750 on the nose. Some may think that 37 models on 40mm bases is a lot, but trust me... it isn't. This army cannot kill AV12 or flyers reliably, if at all. Any army with a Battle Cannon can crush this.

The tau are the best at everything, even at being the worst.

Farsight supplement list:

hq-
commander xv8, Shield, Stim, DC, EWO 138

bodyguard xv8 x2 shield, bonding 118


Troops-
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
1750

Tau with no guns!

Still think the Necron list has it... no shooting.

I'm actually finding this a bit difficult to come up with, because even the worst army list has a chance against some things.

Let's give it a go with Dark Eldar, because you can really put a lot of redundant upgrades on them:

It's more of a horde list, although with only 62 Incredibly fragile models, and it has virtually no survivability, and most weapons are really close ranged.

HQ:
Archon w. 2 Huskblades, Combat Drugs, Soul-Trap, Djin Blade, Clone field, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Webway Portal.
Court: 2x Lhamaean's
Archon w. 2 Huskblades, Combat Drugs, Soul-Trap, Djin Blade, Clone field, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Webway Portal.
Court: 2x Lhamaean's

HQ: 550 pts.

Elites:
10x Kabalite Trueborn w. Splinter pistols and close combat weapons, 1 w. Shredder Includes Dracon with Phantasm grenade launcher and agonizer. All have plasma grenades and haywire grenades.
10x Kabalite Trueborn w. Splinter pistols and close combat weapons. Includes Dracon with Phantasm grenade launcher and agonizer. All have plasma grenades and haywire grenades.
10x Kabalite Trueborn w. Splinter pistols and close combat weapons. Includes Dracon with Phantasm grenade launcher and agonizer. All have plasma grenades and haywire grenades.

Elites: 590 pts.

Troops:
5x Wyches, 1 w. Razorflails. All w. Haywire Grenades. Includes Hekatrix w. Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agoniser.
5x Wyches, 1 w. Razorflails. All w. Haywire Grenades. Includes Hekatrix w. Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agoniser.
5x Wyches, 1 w. Razorflails. All w. Haywire Grenades. Includes Hekatrix w. Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agoniser.
5x Wyches, 1 w. Razorflails. All w. Haywire Grenades. Includes Hekatrix w. Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agoniser.
5x Wyches, 1 w. Razorflails. All w. Haywire Grenades. Includes Hekatrix w. Phantasm Grenade Launcher and Agoniser.
5x Wyches, 1 w. Razorflails.
Troops: 610 pts

Total: 1750 pts

C&C Welcome.

You all disgust me. You forgot the best one.

HQ: 160
Parasite of Mortrex

Troops:1350
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm

Fast Attack: 240
8 Sky Slasher Swarms
8 Sky Slasher Swarms

ekim wrote:
The tau are the best at everything, even at being the worst.

Farsight supplement list:

hq-
commander xv8, MSS, PEN, VT, DC, Shield, Stim 188
bodyguard xv8 x7 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 658


Troops-
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, DC, Bonding, 1 w/ATS 156

1749

Tau with no guns!

That is... awesome.

ekim wrote:
The tau are the best at everything, even at being the worst.

Farsight supplement list:

hq-
commander xv8, MSS, PEN, VT, DC, Shield, Stim 188
bodyguard xv8 x7 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 658


Troops-
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, DC, Bonding, 1 w/ATS 156

1749

Tau with no guns!

That list isn't legal :(. The regular commander can't take the 7 large bodyguard and he also can't take the signature systems from Codex: Tau


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 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
You all disgust me. You forgot the best one.

HQ: 160
Parasite of Mortrex - 160

Troops:1350
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm

Fast Attack: 240
8 Sky Slasher Swarms
8 Sky Slasher Swarms

I want to run that list just because.

 Mulletdude wrote:

That list isn't legal :(. The regular commander can't take the 7 large bodyguard and he also can't take the signature systems from Codex: Tau

I have failed. For shame. How about this then?

hq-
commander xv8, Shield, Stim, DC, EWO 138

bodyguard xv8 x2 shield, bonding 118


Troops-
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
xv8 x3 VT, Shield, Stim, Bonding 249
1750

Only 21 models of unarmed tau!

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
You all disgust me. You forgot the best one.

HQ: 160
Parasite of Mortrex - 160

Troops:1350
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm

Fast Attack: 240
8 Sky Slasher Swarms
8 Sky Slasher Swarms

I came here to post a variant on this list. Beaten! Don't forget to deep strike near board edges to mishap if scattering. :p

Some great bad lists here. At one point, we were thinking (locally) of playing a tournament of "play your opponents army" which would encourage taking your worst junk, and seeing if your opponent could figure out how to use it.

So which list is completely hamstrung regardless of how well the general plays it? In my opinion, either the ripper-swarm nids (no scoring!) or the gunless Tau (eeek).

Pluses to both lists, those Ripper Swarms can kill a lot of things. S5 T4 3+ with 5+ FNP and 3 attacks on the charge (even at WS2) isn't completely horrible... :-)

SBG wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
You all disgust me. You forgot the best one.

HQ: 160
Parasite of Mortrex - 160

Troops:1350
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
9 Ripper Swarms w/ Adrenal Glands, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm

Fast Attack: 240
8 Sky Slasher Swarms
8 Sky Slasher Swarms

I came here to post a variant on this list. Beaten! Don't forget to deep strike near board edges to mishap if scattering. :p

Best thing, only have to kill one model to wipe the army.

A seething hoarde of tissue paper!
Plus uncontrollable grots (29)
Plus the worst gun in the game (Ork Kombi Rokit). It hits one out of three games.

Mad Dok Grotsnik 160
Old Zogwort 205

5 Tankbustas: 2× tankhammer. 75
6 Nobz: 5× shoota/rokkit kombi-weapon; ammo runt. 148

29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107

3 Killa Kans: 3× rokkit launcha. 150
3 Killa Kans: 3× rokkit launcha. 150
3 Killa Kans: 3× rokkit launcha. 150

Aegis Defence Lines: comms relay. 70

1,750 points

 doktor_g wrote:
A seething hoarde of tissue paper!
Plus uncontrollable grots (29)
Plus the worst gun in the game (Ork Kombi Rokit). It hits one out of three games.

Mad Dok Grotsnik 160
Old Zogwort 205

5 Tankbustas: 2× tankhammer. 75
6 Nobz: 5× shoota/rokkit kombi-weapon; ammo runt. 148

29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107
29 Gretchin: 2× Runtherd. 107

3 Killa Kans: 3× rokkit launcha. 150
3 Killa Kans: 3× rokkit launcha. 150
3 Killa Kans: 3× rokkit launcha. 150

Aegis Defence Lines: comms relay. 70

1,750 points

This could murder every other list in this thread due to the 9 Killa Kans

1750 Pts - Codex: Orks Roster

150 Gretchin
. . 150 Gretchin - Cybork Body; Gretchin Blasta

1 Looted Wagon
. . 1 Looted Wagon - Big Shoota; Skorcha; Grabbin' Klaw; Grot Rigger
. . [Unassigned: 1 Rokkit Launcha]

1 Mad Dok Grotsnik
. . 1 Mad Dok Grotsnik - Cybork Body; Dok's Tools; 'Urty Syringe; Power Klaw; Slugga

15 Runtherd
. . 15 Runtherd - Grabba Stikk; Squig Hound; Cybork Body; Slugga

1 Weirdboy
. . 1 Weirdboy - Cybork Body
Total Roster Cost: 1750