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So this guy really intrigues me. for only 15 points more than Kharn he has : Terminator armor, furious charge, a S10 powerfist with 6 attacks on the charge or 4 any other time, a S5(6 on the charge) AP4 axe with 8 attacks on the charge or 6 base, ETERNAL WARRIOR, a 3-shot storm bolter, and Adamantium will. He also has a Warlord Trait that gives 1VP for every enemy character he kills.

He seems like he would really fit well in a full Landraider list, which I think are underestimated.

In general, he seems like the Kharn that should have been, minus AP2 at Initiative 5.

What's everybody else's thoughts on him?

This dude sounds mint, where do I find the rules?

On the downloads page on forgeworld in the characters uppdate

He is actually in the latest Apoc book and is 10 points cheaper than the downloadable one and has more attacks.

i'm considering using him in a 1k build for zone mortalis - he's freaking awesome!

a bit pricey in small games but having EW and getting into CC he will clear the corridor.

Sounds like a blatant Kharne+1. lol

Except, if I recall he does not make berzerkers troops, so that's something to consider if that's important to you.

Field him and kharn! Him with termies and cypher infiltrating them all. Kharn with zerkers in a LR! Yipi! he is good and fluffy and he is what you expect from a model called impaler
Btw does someone know the changes mentioned above for him in the new book?

His forgeworld model looks ballin aswell haha.

As for making bezerks troops....he is a lord.....with mark of khorne......I dont see why not altho it doesnt say in his rules.

Shouldn't have to if there is a clause in the codex that states Lord with the Mark grant berserkers as troops which I would assume there is.

He does seem awesome and I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about him from Khorne followers.
He can wipe out hordes AND high toughness models. S10 makes him the Chaos Lysander.
I used Kharn in every 5th game but in 6th I had to stop using him, he just couldn't keep up anymore. Plus one game I lost him to a melta gun to the face on overwatch...
I also think that he is pretty cheap for what he does. As for what I'll do with him, I guess I'll have to figure that out! I'm just glad there is a fluffy Khorne Lord that can actually wreck.

Avedominousnox, in the new book he is 10 points less, and they gave him Champion of Chaos. He also got to keep the +1 attack he had before from the old MoK. So he essentially got cheaper with an extra attack. It still doesn't say anything about Berserkers but I'm pretty sure that's an oversight.

herpguy wrote:
He is actually in the latest Apoc book and is 10 points cheaper than the downloadable one and has more attacks.

You must be confusing him with something else because he isn't in the IA Apoc 2013book, the 2 only chaos characters that i see are the 2 DPrinces, the Nurgle one and the Khorne one with his big axe.

 avedominusnox wrote:
Field him and kharn! Him with termies and cypher infiltrating them all. Kharn with zerkers in a LR! Yipi! he is good and fluffy and he is what you expect from a model called impaler
Btw does someone know the changes mentioned above for him in the new book?

Except that if you follow the rules about deployement, he can't join the unit and infiltrate them, he can however outflank them.

Then you could use a 2 LR lists, one LR with the termies, Zhufor and Cypher, outflanking, the other LR with Kharn+CHosen with 2 Meltas and 3 Powerweapons.

You could even take Kharn+ the CHosen and the LR has a BL allied detachement, making Chosen troops.

Maybe his talking the new IA apoc. Or the old one.

wich neither of those have zhufors rules.

Hmm.. maybe volumes 6 7 8 of seige of vraks. Either way makes me glad i just dropped a 4k forgeworld order that included zhufor.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

herpguy wrote:
He is actually in the latest Apoc book and is 10 points cheaper than the downloadable one and has more attacks.

You must be confusing him with something else because he isn't in the IA Apoc 2013book, the 2 only chaos characters that i see are the 2 DPrinces, the Nurgle one and the Khorne one with his big axe.

 avedominusnox wrote:
Field him and kharn! Him with termies and cypher infiltrating them all. Kharn with zerkers in a LR! Yipi! he is good and fluffy and he is what you expect from a model called impaler
Btw does someone know the changes mentioned above for him in the new book?

Except that if you follow the rules about deployement, he can't join the unit and infiltrate them, he can however outflank them.

Then you could use a 2 LR lists, one LR with the termies, Zhufor and Cypher, outflanking, the other LR with Kharn+CHosen with 2 Meltas and 3 Powerweapons.

You could even take Kharn+ the CHosen and the LR has a BL allied detachement, making Chosen troops.

He is in the latest apoc book under Siege of Vraks page 152.


All of the major tournament FAQs have ruled that you can join a unit and infiltrate them.

Yes because the OT of those tournaments has decided that you can, it doesn't mean that everybody would let you do it, or that you can use it in other tourneys.

there is a few threads about this in YMDC.

And i stand corrected, has i din't check the Vraks siege section of the book, sad thing though that he lost his Personal Icon, and that Twohanded Chainaxe isn't a AP3 thing.

herpguy wrote:
So this guy really intrigues me. for only 15 points more than Kharn he has : Terminator armor, furious charge, a S10 powerfist with 6 attacks on the charge or 4 any other time, a S5(6 on the charge) AP4 axe with 8 attacks on the charge or 6 base, ETERNAL WARRIOR, a 3-shot storm bolter, and Adamantium will. He also has a Warlord Trait that gives 1VP for every enemy character he kills.

He seems like he would really fit well in a full Landraider list, which I think are underestimated.

In general, he seems like the Kharn that should have been, minus AP2 at Initiative 5.

What's everybody else's thoughts on him?

Five attacks on the charge, seven with the axe, he has the old fashioned Mark of Khorne thats included in his profile not the new 'CSM' updated one as shown in his profile. He doesn't get rage and counter-attack.

Kharn will also strike before most people at a respectable S7 with more attacks, and would likely murder him before he got to strike.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

herpguy wrote:
So this guy really intrigues me. for only 15 points more than Kharn he has : Terminator armor, furious charge, a S10 powerfist with 6 attacks on the charge or 4 any other time, a S5(6 on the charge) AP4 axe with 8 attacks on the charge or 6 base, ETERNAL WARRIOR, a 3-shot storm bolter, and Adamantium will. He also has a Warlord Trait that gives 1VP for every enemy character he kills.

He seems like he would really fit well in a full Landraider list, which I think are underestimated.

In general, he seems like the Kharn that should have been, minus AP2 at Initiative 5.

What's everybody else's thoughts on him?

Five attacks on the charge, seven with the axe, he has the old fashioned Mark of Khorne thats included in his profile not the new 'CSM' updated one as shown in his profile. He doesn't get rage and counter-attack.

Kharn will also strike before most people at a respectable S7 with more attacks, and would likely murder him before he got to strike.

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Look at the new rules in Apoc, not on the FW site. He has the new MoK and 4 attacks base. I love Kharn but losing 2 of my own dudes per turn gets very annoying after awhile.


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 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Yes because the OT of those tournaments has decided that you can, it doesn't mean that everybody would let you do it, or that you can use it in other tourneys.

there is a few threads about this in YMDC.

And i stand corrected, has i din't check the Vraks siege section of the book, sad thing though that he lost his Personal Icon, and that Twohanded Chainaxe isn't a AP3 thing.

Yeah the whole infiltrate thing is a very touchy subject. Eh, I guess the personal icon had to go with the new codex. I can't really complain about his axe being AP4, 8 attacks on the charge and 6 base at the high strength is great for clearing out hordes. Plus he has a S10 powerfist, can't ask for much more lol.

The Mark of Khorne referes to...the mark of Khorne, wich the only iteration of this wargear is in the CSM codex, so yeah he use the actual MoK.

I don't see any reasons why he wouldn't, this is further supported by the fact that he also have the Champion of Chaos rule.

God, there's so much confusion going on in this thread.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
The Mark of Khorne referes to...the mark of Khorne, wich the only iteration of this wargear is in the CSM codex, so yeah he use the actual MoK.

I don't see any reasons why he wouldn't, this is further supported by the fact that he also have the Champion of Chaos rule.

Exactly, there is no Mark of Khorne debate anymore with the updated rules.

 McGibs wrote:
God, there's so much confusion going on in this thread.

Confusion comes from the fact that their is two profiles accesible right now.

One is the PDF released a the beginning of 6th for Vraks Characters, wich is still online and dll on FW site.

And the other(and up to date) is to be found in the new IA Apocalypse 2013 book, in the Warzone Vraks section, with the other characters present in the update on the FW site.

FW should take down this pdf update to avoid confusion.

Yeah, and the FW one is way more accessible. I myself thought that was the "updated" rules until a few days ago.
I'm going to send FW an email.

Anyways, doesn't change that this guy is awesome!

Its a nice character, but saying that he is awesome, thats a bit far fetched don't you think?

Its still a Termi Lord with a Powerfist and a two handed chainaxe.

he suffers from the same thing that do all termi Lords, no scatter mitigation, if you take him in a LR with his retenue of termies, you will have 4 termis with him tops, not even enough to be able to buy a Reaper AC.

They are still but Chaos Termies, meaning the worst termies of the game, even though they doesn't take an Elite slot.

Now you could argue that if you take a FW character anyway, you could also invest in a Stormeagle abd then embark 10 termies, and that would be true.

The only real good stuff about him, is that he have EW.

If at least FW wasn't so focused on SM and Xenos, maybe there would be some Cult terminators that would be worth taking...

I have been wanting to run a 3 land raider list for a while, which I notice most competitive lists in my area (or anywhere I see for that matter) don't have much of an answer for.
I would probably use him and a nurgle terminator lord to take along 2 plague marine squads in the other land raiders (since they are unfortunately better than berserkers in assault and can take special weapons), and take termis with zhufor. CSM termis may be lacking but they are still cheap, and can take combi weapons for only 5pts.
It is unfortunate that GWs only way to give CSM a way to mitigate scatter is completely and wholly useless.
I think he may have potential in a LR spam list, but I don't think infiltrating him up would let him last very long.

herpguy wrote:
So this guy really intrigues me. for only 15 points more than Kharn he has : Terminator armor, furious charge, a S10 powerfist with 6 attacks on the charge or 4 any other time, a S5(6 on the charge) AP4 axe with 8 attacks on the charge or 6 base, ETERNAL WARRIOR, a 3-shot storm bolter, and Adamantium will. He also has a Warlord Trait that gives 1VP for every enemy character he kills.

He seems like he would really fit well in a full Landraider list, which I think are underestimated.

In general, he seems like the Kharn that should have been, minus AP2 at Initiative 5.

What's everybody else's thoughts on him?

I am currently building a army with him. The best benefit is being able to take the Terminator squad at no cost to your FOC. I plan to Run Kharn side by side with zerkers. Costs very little to the FOC. Stick Zhufor in a LR with the bodyguards should be impressive. I hope.

Yeah I'm currently building an army around him with 3 land raiders, as opposed to my usual jugger/biker lord with spawn combo.
Him and his terminator retinue seem like a perfect spearhead.

Solution, if you are using Zhufor then FW is ok, then you can also use a Spartan and have a full ten man termy squad. No problem(aside from being close to 1k points hehe).

he is from siege of vraks
fmj