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I vote no discard if using decks as it skews the points potential in that players favor. If we are using the table(rolling dice) then I am ok with a reroll.

As for faction, there is a graph in the rules book that shows the different factions. You cannot ally with yourself basically, unless your code says so(space marine). So CSM, BL ans cannot ally with each other because they all belong to the CSM faction

I have played with the card several times now and I feel they are just so great and make each turn cool. I think you have to stay with the way the cards work. Yes, there are those days when the dice are mean, the cards will be nice or mean too, so live with it.

The real issues will show their ugly head, but I have yet to see them. Of course, spam is spam, and it is easy to smell when it shows up.


Here is Game Ogre's next RTT

Since 7th edition is still pretty new, we'll be limiting what you can bring to this one. No un-bound armies. All must follow the Combined Arms Force Org Chart, plus a maximum of 1 Allied Detachment. I will allow Come the Apocalypse allies though. After the tournament we'll discuss what we want to allow for the next one.

I'll go on record as being against tactical objectives as written. At best, they make the game dynamic and challenging for both players, so that's good. But at worst, they're just another level of RNG to throw a wrench in what should be tactically sound play. In the past, it used to be that when dice went against you, you could still play for the mission and hope for the best. In 7e, if the dice AND the cards go against you, you get to sit there with your thumb up your butt. Not exactly a thrilling narrative. I've also had games where I won on cards despite losing a good majority of my units, so it felt rather confusing.

Well, the format for this one is final. Or, as final as it can be given the circumstances; everything with this game is so up in the air right now it's going to take a while to coalesce, and even then I expect it will end up being an exacerbated version of where we were in 6th, where various camps within the community decide to do it one way or the other. Personally, I'm against playing "6th with a FAQ" and that's not how I plan to do it, but we'll see how it goes at an actual event.

In response to Ian, yes, the dice and cards can go against you, but when the Emperor wants you to lose, that's just how it goes. . Seriously though, I remember plenty of games in 6th where the dice went against me and *because* of that I *couldn't* play to the mission, either because my units were dead to hot dice or cold saves, or I was getting flipped over on Kill Points in particular, which was a nasty little one-two punch of your units are dying and giving up KPs, and since they're dead, you can't fight back to earn KPs of your own! And I have heard the argument that "the cards let me win even though most of my stuff was dead" a few times, and my response is twofold: One, I played plenty of games in 5th and 6th where I won or lost based on the equivalent of three Guardsmen cowering in the rubble, contesting objectives at the last moment and praying to the Golden Throne that the game ended on 5. And Two, It seems to me that a mechanic that creates an opportunity for a player to still clench a win, however unlikely, even when their back is against the wall, so to speak, is a good mechanic. One that allows for tactical play, even.

I'm pretty confident at this point that I've played more 7th than most at this point (que Casey's jab. Wait for it. ...Got it! ), and I've played all the Maelstrom Missions multiple times. There was at least one blowout, I conceded defeat on bottom four once, but overall the games have been good, fun, and reasonably close.

I guess my take on the Tactical Objectives at this point is that they've provided me with an improved 40k experience, and that all the doomsday scenarios about how they're bad or unbalanced sound like problems we had in sixth already anyway, so it's a net gain for me. But I do understand that a lot of people are playing and theorizing based on 6th ed. lists that were designed for Eternal War missions, or speculative 'good' lists for 7th and that may or may not pan out, so YMMV.

I also know that everyone's forming opinions from the point of view of a player for the most part, where I have to do that, but also get an idea how things work as a TO, which means I actually have to run an event using the new rules to see what works and what doesn't; otherwise I'm making an ill-informed decision. Unlike modern politics or culture, I endeavor to have a nuanced position on the game, which may well include my view as an individual player differing from my view as a TO who runs events for a community of players (jab from Casey in 3, 2... Got it!)

Regardless of all that, if you're showing up to Game Empire Pasadena this Saturday, here's what ya gotta know:

- 1500 points
- Maximum of 2 Detachments (of any type)
- Maximum of 1 Formation
- Maximum of 1 Fortification
- No Unbound (though I am considering Unbound for future events with Judge's (my) approval, but we'll talk about that on Saturday)
- No Lords of War
- Maelstrom Missions with Mysterious Objectives.
- 3 Rounds
- 10:00am
- $10

Standard Prize spread to best overall, best imperial / best non, best sport, best army.

So, if you're Ork enough to come and try a tournament that's actually 7th edition (mostly), I'll see you on Saturday!

Am I ork enough? Is Casey going to make a snide comment below? Will Ian spam some sort of small transport? Will I spam lobba in two weeks?

I think we all know the answer here

Do you have the mission cards in stock at GE?

I am unable to find them anywhere.

2 max detachments of any type includes self-allying, correct?

Also, RTT is no FW -- is this still RTT with those additional rules?

How dare you change x,y,z! I thought this was 40k (murica)! Who are you to do that? That's so OP unfair for army x and this just boosts the power of unit Z and deathstar y! Ugh, rage quit!!!!!!! (Even though I haven't played more than 0-3 games of 7th this opinion is still valid and CORRECT!)

I just interjected the rest of Dakkas feelings toward 7th edition over the last 4 weeks into your thread. You're welcome.

On a serious note I am sad 7th came out at such a busy time for me. I have read through the rules, and the changes and to me at least everything seems pretty good. I hated 6th about half way through it (no, this has nothing to do with my record in tournaments. I won 2 early on with Cron Air and came in top 3 3 other times with Cron Air and Nurgle Flying Circus not to mention playing Janthkin for all the marbles at the AnimeExpo GT with said Flying Circus. Some people have the memory of a gypsy moth ) and am happy to see a change. I can't make it this weekend because I will be out of town for a wedding. Hopefully I can make the July event and get a few games in starting this coming Tuesday.

I look forward to results and pictures from the event hint hint!

 Blackmoor wrote:
Do you have the mission cards in stock at GE?

I am unable to find them anywhere.

They are nowhere, thanks to GW's astonishing foresight during the initial production run (I think they printed what, 17, 18 copies? You know, for the US market )

I have made up a score sheet for games that allows players to roll for and track their active/scored/discarded objectives, and includes a cheat sheet with each objective's rules. We've played a few games with it at the store and it works well enough; you don't have to keep thumbing through the book for objective rules all game.

bryceloop wrote:
2 max detachments of any type includes self-allying, correct?

Also, RTT is no FW -- is this still RTT with those additional rules?

Yes to self-allying. FW is still out, as well. I'll put that in the event details.

How likely are we to include FW in these events in the future? I got the NEED. The need for KRIEG.

I had a blast. Definitely looking forward to attending more often. Everybody seemed great and I had 3 fun games. I wasnt expecting to win it. Thanks to Mike, Andrew and Alan for really fun games. Im not so sure about Maelstrom in tournaments though.

Big turnout for the first RTT of 7th, with tons of new faces!

Julnlecs won the whole thing with Space Marines, looked like Ultras with some rhinos and a drop pod or two.
Jonathan and his bikes w/ drop pod support took home Best Imperial
MikeFox was best painted, to the surprise of none, not even hermits living under a rock.
Brandon and his GK got Best Sports.
Yours truly managed to snag Best non-Imperial with CSM/Black Legion.

I have a few pics of armies from before the games started but I'm afraid that's all. Maelstrom missions, combined with new players and a new ruleset meant we had some problems with games finishing on time. I only got thru turn 4 with my first opponent, and was lucky enough to have game 2 and 3 finish naturally on turn 5, but I hear others weren't so fortunate.

Tim and I had no chance of finishing, but I had a blast playing, he is a great guy. Miles and I had a blast killing each others Coteaz. Jason and i slugged it out, but stole most of my cards, good job, he really played to the missions. I had a blast rolling a 6 on my Vortex of Doom and vaporizing his TH/SS Termies, that made the day oh so worth while. Thanks Travis for setting all the tables and answering our silly questions. What is the next one going to be?

I had a blast. My games went 7, 7 and 5 turns. All done with about an hour and 15 minutes. But then I only had 4 models in my army.

Maelstrom missions weren't that big of an issue as the average point difference was 4.6 I believe.

So, are we still doing the uber competitive event next month or should I actually be busy painting?

Can we bump it up to 1850 points for BAO practice?

 MikeFox wrote:
Upcoming BIG Events:

July 12th: No Dice, No Glory, No Painting Required
A fitting follow up to the fluffy event, an 1850 no-holds-barred throw down. Break out the cheese and the unpainted models because there is only one objective here; break the rules so bad you make your opponent wish he never started playing with little plastic army men. Our normal Sportsmen and Painting awards/requirements will be suspended to make way for some true d-baggery.

Although, I think Mike wrote this before 7e's advent ...

pleasantnoodles wrote:
So, are we still doing the uber competitive event next month or should I actually be busy painting?

On the painting thing, Tim: Just today, in maybe a couple hours, I *just* completed my first Warp Spider, from prime to ink & edging details and based. It's pretty much codex picture level in detail. Not nearly as neat, of course, I'm not delusional on my paint skills.

So, Tim, if you have work off, and ... 3 to 4 hours ... you can go from prime to finshed:





So, Douche-baggery or not, paint your junk!

Now that I *like* the paint job, that is, colors chosen, I'll assembly-line the rest, and post pictures tomorrow.

I talked to Travis Friday while buying 8 leman russes and he said it will still be 1500

I second Blackmoor to make it 1850 BAO practice. Ive been getting a bunch of games for this and 3 more games in one day would help out a bunch.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like some BAO practice in a tournament setting too, but I believe it's more of an issue with getting games to finish on time with the new edition. We had a lot of slow players last time and I think Travis just wants to make sure people get their kinks ironed out as much as possible before opening up the points a bit.

It's also not *that* hard to make a scaled-down version of your 1850 list for a 1500pt tourney. Unless you're trying Formation shenanigans maybe.

I'm good either way. I can add a couple leman russes. I don't have enough battle cannon shots as it is lol

For me it's more playing the BAO missions to see how they are then the points limit.

Yar I would be fine at 1500 I would just hope to play with the BAO missions.

Preferably also with the allowed FW units that BAO is doing

I'll weigh in with 1500 (as if my opinion counts for much The Tourney God's Will be done).

As mentioned the 1850 game time for BAO is going to be 2.5 hours, but the GE time allotment isn't quite that.

We're all jonesing for BAO practice, sure, but I would like my GE rtt, to be my *fun* "Game Empire RTT!" ...

We do play this for fun, yeah?

The BAO missions are alot of fun.
The Maelstrom missions itself, not so much.

 Julnlecs wrote:
The BAO missions are alot of fun.
The Maelstrom missions itself, not so much.

I find both sets of missions enjoyable.

The time is far more the issue, and with more points, ... well there ya go.

Will the new Ork codex be allowed? Also with the new codex having lords of war in it, will Ghaz or the Stompa be allowed (been painting my stompa and want to use it)?

Hiya, just a quick note from a foreigner.

We're over in Ca from London in Aug, and fancy a 40k tournament day, which looks to be Sat 9th.

I know it might be too early to say for definite, but what's the normal points value and vibe? Relaxed or super-competitive? What's the vibe on Lords of War (we're not planning any), formations (we tend to use one) or multiple CAD?

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Hiya, just a quick note from a foreigner.

We're over in Ca from London in Aug, and fancy a 40k tournament day, which looks to be Sat 9th.

I know it might be too early to say for definite, but what's the normal points value and vibe? Relaxed or super-competitive? What's the vibe on Lords of War (we're not planning any), formations (we tend to use one) or multiple CAD?

Likely, it'll be a 'normal' tourney for Game Empire, and I speak as a guy who has been attending the GE tourneys for 3+ years.

To directly answer:
a. 1500 to 1750. The TO is (likely) holding us to 1500 until most players are used 7e enough to finish games within the 2:15 minute time. If our July finishing times go well, then he'll bump points size up, much like we went through 6e growing pains two years ago.
b. I have always found the atmosphere to be fun, even on days where the 'theme' was "No Fluff, Pure Competition." The only time I've experienced a more competitive (that is, maybe less 'friendly') atmosphere was a 'Ard Boyz tourney.
c. LoW - I think we're still feeling this out. Multi-CAD would be Primary & Ally or Primary and a Supplement. Check 'Game Empire Pasadena' on FaceBook and you can Message the TO there (and here, if ya like).

Far more important essentials:
Recently, another Imperialist chap had come to play at our humble Yankee FLGS and I made sure he found the pub ( http://www.luckybaldwins.com ) across the street for lunch. He found it passable. So there's that to look forward to.


There will be (likely) prizes for Best OverAll, Best Imperial, Best Xeno, Painted Army & Sportsmanship.

Is that enough of a Welcome Mat for ya?

Couldn't ask for more!

Hivefleet Jr, the evil galaxy-threatening genius, won't be visiting any pubs but Im sure i will.

Thanks!