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The rhino was launched at said terminator by the shockwave of a an Eldar titan's weapon hitting the ground nearby, so it's not like it didn't have ample amount of force behind it when he caught it.

After catching it, he pushed it back so hard that it slid along the ground and hit a Wraithlord with enough force to snap its legs off from under it.

That's not a gentle push, fellas. Wraithbone is hard as hell.

For what it's worth he didn't even use a powerfist, actually. He saw the rhino coming, "braced his shoulder and leaned into it." The rhino buckled around his body and came to a stop.

Wow, now that sounds pretty buff.

Though I'm sure Harker could do that too.

TiamatRoar wrote:
I don't know physics that well, so I could be wrong, but isn't something that weighs twice as much as something else a LOT harder than "twice as hard" to stop? Again, I could be thinking things wrong here.

Correct.

Exponentially harder, in fact.

You're wrong, actually, Melissia.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The rhino was launched at said terminator by the shockwave of a an Eldar titan's weapon hitting the ground nearby, so it's not like it didn't have ample amount of force behind it when he caught it.

After catching it, he pushed it back so hard that it slid along the ground and hit a Wraithlord with enough force to snap its legs off from under it.

That's not a gentle push, fellas. Wraithbone is hard as hell.

For what it's worth he didn't even use a powerfist, actually. He saw the rhino coming, "braced his shoulder and leaned into it." The rhino buckled around his body and came to a stop.

Wait, wait, wait. Wait. The Rhino has ceramite plates over a plasteel hull, right? The Tactical Dreadnaught armour is made from ceramite also. One is utterly impervious to small-arms fire whilst the other is extremely resistant to it. One weighs in at 30 tonnes, the other at maybe 1-2 tonnes with the Marine? So the thicker, heavier ceramite armour backed by a plasteel hull weighing in at 30 tonnes and propelled by the shockwave of an Eldar titan's weapon buckled around thinner, lighter armour and was stopped instantaneously? This would explain why I found this to be absolutely and utterly hilarious. If anyone needed an example of 'bolter porn' this is a fantastic example. Do magclamps suddenly work on earth/mud/whatever the terrain was? I assume it was not a metallic/magnetic surface, so why was the Astartes not bowled over? How did his own armour survive the impact when the Rhino's armour buckled? Then he threw it back? And broke the legs of a Wraithlord? This just gets better and better.

To me this is just another example to put down as a story that has evolved and grown with the telling - more propaganda, essentially.

When it comes to the strength and toughness of the Astartes I'm all for the 'crush a man's skull with one hand when not wearing their armour' thing but stopping a 30 tonne armoured vehicle by 'leaning' into it? That's ludicrous - what are Astartes now? Derived from Superman? 'What's that? A tank flying towards me? No problem! I'll just lean a bit and it'll bounce off!'. Utterly ludicrous. That's not even covered by 'rule of cool' in my eyes.

(Please don't take my 'rant' seriously, I just found this example to be incredibly funny)

Terminator Armour is heavy-gauge ceramite plasteel composite plates, mounted on an adamantium exoskeleton.

Most Rhinos are constructed of a bonded Ceramite layer over a cast Plasteel hull, although others use composite carbon compounds or a conventional hardened steel, depending on their origins.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:

He didn’t really chuck the Rhino though. He just pushed it back with all his might.

bs.

He stopped it and tossed it so hard that it proceeded to break a Wraithguard on impact.

Are we really going to do this? Fine, have it your way.

Angel Exterminatus pg 356 “The vehicle buckled, stopped dead, and Forrix pushed it back the way it had come. Two of the elder constructs, each twice as tall as a legionary, punched through the gateway, their limbs ablaze with emerald fire. One staggered as the Rhino crashed into it.”

Son, your claim has just been debunked.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Based on?

Based on the fact that a tank won’t cease to function unless you have done enough damage to the mechanism within it, or its tank crew, that will do as well.

Power fist cannot do any of those things. It will put some large dents in the plating though. The exception to this would be hitting on the thinner rear armor. Only then could you feasibly take down a something as tough as a Leman Russ tank.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Both can break tanks, chainfists just do it even more easily.

One can reliably deal with light vehicles and heavy infantry. The other is used to literally dismantle heavily armored tanks. That is the difference between those two weapons.

Loosely related to the topic, this was a pretty fantastic durability feat I picked up on for Marines while reading the Farsight Enclaves book.

Wave by wave, the Crisis Teams descended, their numbers
such that, from a distance, they looked like a Vior’lan seedstorm floating to earth.
Hundreds of plasma rifles spat bursts of burning fire down into the ranks of the Space
Marines, melting through ceramite and searing through flesh to scorch the ground
beneath. The Imperial warriors were not so much shot as cored, the sizzling holes in their
torsos exposing innards to the air.
Incredibly, many of the fallen Space Marines still fought on, firing powerful sidearms
from the ground and shouting their defiance even as their vital fluids drained away. It was
an amazing display of fortitude and determination in the face of devastating firepower,
and it impressed Farsight deeply – as did the courage of the white-armoured medics
administering to their fallen brothers. Yet courage would not be enough to save them.

Massive, gaping holes seared through your body by plasma guns? Studio fluff says Marines don't give a gak.

Though I now have this mental picture in my head of Space Marines laying on their backs like upside-down turtles, massive smoking craters where their torsos were, shaking their fists in rage at the Crisis Suits above while shouting obscenities. lulz.

 Redcruisair wrote:

Are we really going to do this? Fine, have it your way.

Angel Exterminatus pg 356 “The vehicle buckled, stopped dead, and Forrix pushed it back the way it had come. Two of the elder constructs, each twice as tall as a legionary, punched through the gateway, their limbs ablaze with emerald fire. One staggered as the Rhino crashed into it.”

Son, your claim has just been debunked.

It has not, not unless you are willing to make this a semantics argument.

He moved the rhino fast enough to hit a Wraithlord so hard the Wraithlord proceeded to break. Both are what I claimed

Based on the fact that a tank won’t cease to function unless you have done enough damage to the mechanism within it, or its tank crew, that will do as well.

Power fist cannot do any of those things. It will put some large dents in the plating though. The exception to this would be hitting on the thinner rear armor. Only then could you feasibly take down a something as tough as a Leman Russ tank.

So once again, based on what? Why can't the power fist punch through a Leman Russ and kill the people inside, or hit the engine?

Also, all attacks are automatically resolved against rear armour.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
It has not, not unless you are willing to make this a semantics argument.

Well, he certainly didn’t toss the rhino, that’s for sure.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
He moved the rhino fast enough to hit a Wraithlord so hard the Wraithlord proceeded to break.

That doesn’t tell us much though. Those same elder constructs were pulverised by some spirit stone obsessed noise marines. How tough can they be if marines can break them with the stub of their guns?

 Void__Dragon wrote:
So once again, based on what? Why can't the power fist punch through a Leman Russ and kill the people inside, or hit the engine?

With those short stumpy arms? I don’t think so. Also the power fist won’t go through the armour.

You are the one auguring a power fist can go through thick metal plating, so the burden of proof is on you my friend. Give us some sources, and I’ll start taking your claim seriously.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Also, all attacks are automatically resolved against rear armour.

Touché

Can you quote the passage where the Noise Marines were bludgeoning them to death with their bolters?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Can you quote the passage where the Noise Marines were bludgeoning them to death with their bolters?

Not tonight. Give me a day’s worth of time and I’ll see what I can dig up for you.

Keeeewwwwwwl.

 Redcruisair wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Can you quote the passage where the Noise Marines were bludgeoning them to death with their bolters?

Not tonight. Give me a day’s worth of time and I’ll see what I can dig up for you.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Keeeewwwwwwl.

Sorry, just made me laugh.