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Puppet Master pg 423 main rules - The target immediately makes a shooting attack as if it was one of your models..."

Shooting with Walkers pg 84 main rules - "When firing a Walker's weapons, pivot the Walker on the spot so its guns are aimed at the target...Keep in mind, however, that its facing will determine where its rear armour is going when the enemy returns fire!"

If it's one of my models, I could spin it in the shooting phase towards its target, leaving it's rear exposed to me (assuming it turned in that direction) for the rest of my shooting phase?

That logic all sound with everyone?

Check the FAQ I seem to remember this issue being explained there

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3440036a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.5_September_13.pdf

Relevant question:
"Q: Does the Puppet Master power allow the controlling psyker
to ‘pivot’ an enemy Walker in order to select a target not
currently in its fire arc? (p423)
A: Yes, but the model is assumed to return to its original
facing when it reverts back to the owning player’s control."

SRSFACE wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3440036a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.5_September_13.pdf

Relevant question:
"Q: Does the Puppet Master power allow the controlling psyker
to ‘pivot’ an enemy Walker in order to select a target not
currently in its fire arc? (p423)
A: Yes, but the model is assumed to return to its original
facing when it reverts back to the owning player’s control."

Sooo for the rest of the ennemy shooting phase the walker can turn his back to the ennemy army?

EDIT

Nevermind, just remembered that once you resolved the shooting attack with the Controled model, it then revert back to its owner control, meaning that it doesn't stay with his back facing the opponent like i assumed you could do.

The way it's worded, the intention is if you puppet master a walker, you can then turn it to shoot wherever you want instead of being limited to the firing arc it's currently facing, and then it goes back to however it was facing before being mind controlled.

That said, mind controlling walkers is still pretty nasty. One of the biggest weaknesses to focused witchfire powers is you rarely actually target the exact model you want, and this is about as guaranteed as you can get to firing a huge gun the enemy brought on the board. Not that there are a lot of walker units sans Forgeworld worth bringing.

SRSFACE wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3440036a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.5_September_13.pdf

Relevant question:
"Q: Does the Puppet Master power allow the controlling psyker
to ‘pivot’ an enemy Walker in order to select a target not
currently in its fire arc? (p423)
A: Yes, but the model is assumed to return to its original
facing when it reverts back to the owning player’s control."

The interesting thing about that FAQ entry is that it's been assumed for a couple of editions now that the walker rules only actually allowed a walker to pivot to shoot at weapons that were already within its fire arc... So without directly addressing it, this would seem to be an indication that walkers can actually normally pivot to shoot at whatever they want.

Wouldn't be the first time a Frequently Asked Question has completely altered the perspective of the entire player-base on certain situations. I just wish the Frequently Asked Questions that did so where as well written as this one appears to be, as often the mass-upheaval is a side-effect of something completely unrelated. In such cases I usually have doubt if the Writer even bothered reading the question, as the Answers themselves are usually nothing more one word answers like 'Yes' or 'No.' The usual lack of any insight as to why the answer would be so different to what the majority expect is something that personally frustrates me with a few of these Frequently Asked Questions, cause I want to try and understand the Green-Skinned logic behind these rules!

This one is clearly not a loaded question and the answer shows some thought before the reply was penned, so maybe it was always intended to be this way?

 insaniak wrote:

SRSFACE wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3440036a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.5_September_13.pdf

Relevant question:
"Q: Does the Puppet Master power allow the controlling psyker
to ‘pivot’ an enemy Walker in order to select a target not
currently in its fire arc? (p423)
A: Yes, but the model is assumed to return to its original
facing when it reverts back to the owning player’s control."

The interesting thing about that FAQ entry is that it's been assumed for a couple of editions now that the walker rules only actually allowed a walker to pivot to shoot at weapons that were already within its fire arc... So without directly addressing it, this would seem to be an indication that walkers can actually normally pivot to shoot at whatever they want.

Whats the point of the pivoting rule if they could already see the target?

To bring more models of the unit in LOS, and/or bring a second weapon to bear.

 Happyjew wrote:
To bring more models of the unit in LOS, and/or bring a second weapon to bear.

This.

The perception amongst some gamers was that it was not supposed ot be a free 360 degree pivot, but simply allowed you to rotate the walker to bring all of its weapons to bear on a unit that was already at least partially in LOS of one of its guns. This is based on the way the rule is worded, and the timing of the whole target choosing process - specifically, that you pivot to face the target, and in order to be 'the target' the unit would have had to already be in LOS.

I thought that argument was primarily about the Chaos Dreadnought fire frenzy, rather than standard Walker firing.

The same argument applies to both.

So what is the conclusion now?
Does this Frequently Asked Question answer show the intent that pivoting for Line of Sight requirements was always allowed or is this a 'specific' situation which allows the Puppet Master to do more then the original model is permitted?

To my mind, it shows that it was always allowed, but that was always my interpretation of the actual rules as well.