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i still love White Dwarf...
i have through every iteration from #75 on 'til today...
it makes me happy, each and every time it arrives...
it has given me something to look forward to every month, for over two decades...

i am sad to see the change...
if they lose me, as a lifelong subscriber, then you know they have screwed the pooch...
we'll see how the new format works, but i have a bad feeling about it...

cheers
jah

I have a couple of points to make about this. Firstly with the overlong list of GW stores, it is too long, but you don't complain about the Argos catalog with it's list of stores. That bit is useful if you are in a new area and have no access to the internet in order to find a store or a place that sells the models. I also have seen some older WD, but I actually didn't mind the change to the new format. We have to be open-minded about change, and not panic at the first sight of trouble, ala Manchester United fans and pundits with David Moyes atm. I will wait paitently, if the first weekly one is good, i may get all of them, and I think from rumours the new monthly one takes over from the old subscription, or so I hope. But here's to change, after all the more things change, the more they stay the same.

You don't have to pay for the argos catalog though; it does exactly what it says on the front.

People resent having the mag touted as having x many pages when 12 of them are the same store listings every time.

Bleh, still no news about the fate of the subscription holders

I'm actually liking this. I often feel like buying a WD, but it's really the price more than anything else that puts me off. If it's around £2, I'd be more tempted to buy one that interests me.

It'll be interesting to see what the monthly version's like as well.

Warhammer: Visions will be available on the first Saturday every month in your local Games Workshop store, Independent Stockist, games-workshop.com and local newsstands in the UK, Europe and Australia.

Apparently, GW is not planning to sell their new magazine in their US stores. Or they merely forgot to include the US in this announcement, which is a huge oversight since the US is currently the market where their lackluster sales since last year are the best.

I spoke to a person at GW customer service re my iPad subscription and apparently that will change to the Warhammer Visions monthly mag. The White Dwarf weekly mag is going to be a physical only copy. I suspect that it's being touted as a way to get people into stores that grow the GW hobby. It will be orderable from the website but I dont know if they will have subscriptions.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

Warhammer: Visions will be available on the first Saturday every month in your local Games Workshop store, Independent Stockist, games-workshop.com and local newsstands in the UK, Europe and Australia.

Apparently, GW is not planning to sell their new magazine in their US stores. Or they merely forgot to include the US in this announcement, which is a huge oversight since the US is currently the market where their lackluster sales since last year are the best.

I think it's a parsing issue; what they mean is "Warhammer: Visions will be available on the first Saturday every month in your local Games Workshop store (globally), Independent Stockist (globally), games-workshop.com, and local newsstands in the UK, Europe and Australia."

IE, it will be available at GW stores and FLGS everywhere, and newsstands in Europe, the UK, and Australia. I don't think I've ever seen White Dwarf at a newsstand or supermarket or what have you in the US.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

Warhammer: Visions will be available on the first Saturday every month in your local Games Workshop store, Independent Stockist, games-workshop.com and local newsstands in the UK, Europe and Australia.

Apparently, GW is not planning to sell their new magazine in their US stores. Or they merely forgot to include the US in this announcement, which is a huge oversight since the US is currently the market where their lackluster sales since last year are the best.

Or you are reading the sentence incorrectly. The "in the UK, Europe and Australia" phrase almost certainly is only intended to modify the words "local newsstands."

This may have been mentioned already but, apparently the weekly White Dwarf will contain new rules? Sometimes?

My local GW just posted an announcement with that thrown in: https://www.facebook.com/GWRenaissanceCentre/posts/581057868635405?stream_ref=10

There's also some more information about what is in Warhammer Visions.

Will see if they have anything different to add or they are just finding a way to fluff-up what they have for more revenue.

Utterly useless rag unless you have an interest in the latest release army, all other useful bits have been shunted to micro-transactions/publications.

I would say from 2012 or less the magazine was excellent. 2013 and greater I found little of use.

Wish they would as a sendoff have digitized all prior publications with an index. They could get good money for that.

 The Shadow wrote:
I'm actually liking this. I often feel like buying a WD, but it's really the price more than anything else that puts me off. If it's around £2, I'd be more tempted to buy one that interests me.

It'll be interesting to see what the monthly version's like as well.

It's the quality I have a problem with, rather than the price. I don't mind paying the WD price if it's a good magazine.

I'm really looking forward to the launch of the new magazine. Like I said earlier in the thread, when you're in my boat (not reading WD at all) it can only get better, really

Wait, I thought the weekly magazine was going to be digital as well? Because if it really can only be bought from GW and mail order, it goes from "of dubious worth" to "utterly useless".

Been informed that Subscribers (in the UK at least) will get a free copy of the first Weekly WD with the first copy of WH Visions. And then WH Visions 1 week early as their subscription. No idea if Subs are going up though,.

So a White Dwarf subscription has gone from a (pseudo) Hobby Magazine with the occasional hobby article to a literal Catalogue with all hobby content (ha!) siphoned off into the new weekly magazine?

If they bring back Eavy Metal Masterclasses articles in the Warhammer visions then I might start buying WD again.

There was the comment about weekly mag containing rules....

pass the salt please.

 Micky wrote:
There was the comment about weekly mag containing rules....

pass the salt please.

They mention rules in the official post on GW's website.

Now, the really amusing part of that is how that post has embedded links to GW's homepage...which you're already on.

Aside from that, reference to weekly releases is interesting, though I imagine it'll likely be splash releases of hobby stuff, such as dataslates, paints, etc; I don't neccessarily see the monthly army release schedule really changing, save for maybe a few splash models which have been sitting finished for some time with no slot to release them in.

Quoting this from three pages ago in this thread.

This is from the Helsinki GW facebook page:

Stop press, we have a new format of White Dwarf incoming!

Starting February 1st. White Dwarf will appear weekly. Within it's 32 pages you'll find everything you need to know about all the week’s other new releases and latest hobby news.

You’ll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more. All of this will be available, for the price of a paint pot!

Alongside the the new White Dwarf, we'll have a brand new magazine; Warhammer: Visions. Warhammer: Visions contains all your favourite sections from the old monthly White Dwarf – from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter. This 232 page tome will be available on the first Saturday of every month, for only 9€!

For those of you with subcriptions to the old White Dwarf, fear not, you will still be able to use them monthly. We'll have more information on the subscriptions for you on Thursday, so check back with us to find out how the new system will work.

Like i said, pass the salt.

 BrassScorpion wrote:

Warhammer: Visions will be available on the first Saturday every month in your local Games Workshop store, Independent Stockist, games-workshop.com and local newsstands in the UK, Europe and Australia.

Apparently, GW is not planning to sell their new magazine in their US stores. Or they merely forgot to include the US in this announcement, which is a huge oversight since the US is currently the market where their lackluster sales since last year are the best.

Well, I have a store (non GW) in the US and we were told about it at the beginning of this week.

 Micky wrote:
Quoting this from three pages ago in this thread.
Like i said, pass the salt.

White Dwarf, now weekly.

From Saturday 1 February, White Dwarf will be available each and every Saturday exclusively in your local Games Workshop store, Independent Stockist and at games-workshop.com

White Dwarf will contain everything that’s new and exciting in the hobby that week, from news and information on all the week’s other new releases, to new columnists, interviews, painting, modelling, game rules and much more. And the price? The same as a pot of your favourite Citadel paint.

As the poster above said, it's on the "What's New Today" on GW's own website.


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 MajorStoffer wrote:

Aside from that, reference to weekly releases is interesting, though I imagine it'll likely be splash releases of hobby stuff, such as dataslates, paints, etc; I don't neccessarily see the monthly army release schedule really changing, save for maybe a few splash models which have been sitting finished for some time with no slot to release them in.

Or you might see a bit of a 'slowdown', with releases every week of the month for that month's release rather than all at once.

That would be dumb though.

Are independents getting on board with stocking two magazines then? Because that means more outlay, and I know that my old FLGS complained White Dwarf didn't sell anything like it used to and that was before it was relaunched with a price increase. GW seem to think shops will pick up the tab to push these weekly magazines on top of a monthly, I think more will take a pass on at least one if these. Unless GW try to make it a requirement of having an account with them.

I hope somebody from gamesworkshop peruses these forums and reads this. I would buy or subscribe to the white dwarf if it had quality content. The white dwarf magazines I bought in 2012 & 2013 were a huge disappointment. Its eye candy at first glance. It's got corporate image and marketing department written all over it. It screams brand standard. And thats what kills it.

This is a hobby for most of us, a hobby we play with friends. I am not interested in show case after show case of gamesworkshop products, I'm not interested in paying for a commercial.

I am interested in the hobby and things involved in it.

Write me short stories, comics, small campaigns I can play with my friends. Show me epic conversions and paint jobs (not the heavy metal gak), show me REAL battlereports instead of the made up ones and show me multiple in a row. Discuss tactics and units.

And stop lumping together all your products in one magazine. I don't want to read about the hobbit and if I did, I'd buy a magazine about it. Im sick and tired of being force fed your product portfolio. Its annoying. I have the internet, I know your website, I don't need a monthly reminder on every little product you carry so that hopefully you can meet your monthly/quarterly/yearly sales figure to please your shareholders.

Give me a magazine that approaches the hobby in a way that I as an hobbiest would like to read it, not the other way around, where you are giving me a magazine you would like me to read!!!!!

 aliusexalio wrote:
I hope somebody from gamesworkshop peruses these forums and reads this. I would buy or subscribe to the white dwarf if it had quality content. The white dwarf magazines I bought in 2012 & 2013 were a huge disappointment. Its eye candy at first glance. It's got corporate image and marketing department written all over it. It screams brand standard. And thats what kills it.

This is a hobby for most of us, a hobby we play with friends. I am not interested in show case after show case of gamesworkshop products, I'm not interested in paying for a commercial.

I am interested in the hobby and things involved in it.

Write me short stories, comics, small campaigns I can play with my friends. Show me epic conversions and paint jobs (not the heavy metal gak), show me REAL battlereports instead of the made up ones and show me multiple in a row. Discuss tactics and units.

And stop lumping together all your products in one magazine. I don't want to read about the hobbit and if I did, I'd buy a magazine about it. Im sick and tired of being force fed your product portfolio. Its annoying. I have the internet, I know your website, I don't need a monthly reminder on every little product you carry so that hopefully you can meet your monthly/quarterly/yearly sales figure to please your shareholders.

Give me a magazine that approaches the hobby in a way that I as an hobbiest would like to read it, not the other way around, where you are giving me a magazine you would like me to read!!!!!

QFT

I really don't think it would be hard at all to make WD good again, you just have to actually want to put in some content instead of trying to sell that on top.

BL are putting out how many short stories these days? A bajillion, that's how many, or at least more than 1 a month. Throw one of those a month over to WD.

Battle Reports are not hard, you just have to have people who know what they are doing and someone to observe/take notes. Seriously, not hard. There are tons of them all over youtube and these forums to prove that, but having access to the new units of the month allows the WD ones to show people how they perform on the tabletop before any forum users can upload one doing the same.

At least a few armies have had scenario packs and painting guides quietly released along with the dexes on itunes, why not throw some of that in?

Dataslates. Why are they trying to sell these separate now? That is exactly the kinda thing that should be in WD, then a couple of months later they can put it out, hell at an inflated price even, on itunes or whatever for people who want it but missed the WD.

And for campaign stuff... seriously that's not hard when you have the Hobbit licence. I imagine there is a curtain amount of restrictions on any interaction between WHFB and Hobbit but if it's allowed by new line grab a bunch of points and say 'get X number of points of heroes from any good WHFB faction and pit them against these bad guys from army book A/B/C and reenact this scene from the Hobbit in the WHFB world. That's 6 months of campaign content per movie if you play it right.
If the contract doesn't allow that simple, run the Fellowship of the Ring through the Hobbit journey and or vice versa. See if Bilbo could have got past Golum and destoryed the ring, or if Aragorn could have led them to the Lonely Mountain.

Even just concept art, or blurred out pics of things being worked on that don't reveal anything at all but get people excited.

Hell if you wanted to get REALLY crazy the serialized White Scars Horus Heresy book released in WD instead of downloads would draw a lot of customers.

 aliusexalio wrote:
And stop lumping together all your products in one magazine. I don't want to read about the hobbit and if I did, I'd buy a magazine about it. Im sick and tired of being force fed your product portfolio. Its annoying. I have the internet, I know your website, I don't need a monthly reminder on every little product you carry so that hopefully you can meet your monthly/quarterly/yearly sales figure to please your shareholders.[/b]

Bring back Battle Games in Middle Earth for LOTR/Hobbit players. As both a Warhammer 40K and a LOTR SBG player, I'd be happy with that.

 aliusexalio wrote:
I hope somebody from gamesworkshop peruses these forums and reads this. I would buy or subscribe to the white dwarf if it had quality content. The white dwarf magazines I bought in 2012 & 2013 were a huge disappointment. Its eye candy at first glance. It's got corporate image and marketing department written all over it. It screams brand standard. And thats what kills it.

This is a hobby for most of us, a hobby we play with friends. I am not interested in show case after show case of gamesworkshop products, I'm not interested in paying for a commercial.

I am interested in the hobby and things involved in it.

Write me short stories, comics, small campaigns I can play with my friends. Show me epic conversions and paint jobs (not the heavy metal gak), show me REAL battlereports instead of the made up ones and show me multiple in a row. Discuss tactics and units.

And stop lumping together all your products in one magazine. I don't want to read about the hobbit and if I did, I'd buy a magazine about it. Im sick and tired of being force fed your product portfolio. Its annoying. I have the internet, I know your website, I don't need a monthly reminder on every little product you carry so that hopefully you can meet your monthly/quarterly/yearly sales figure to please your shareholders.

Give me a magazine that approaches the hobby in a way that I as an hobbiest would like to read it, not the other way around, where you are giving me a magazine you would like me to read!!!!!

Never a truer word has been spoken... well said.

I always loved WD for the hobby content...when that ended, and it became a catalogue, that was when my subscribing ended too.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Been informed that Subscribers (in the UK at least) will get a free copy of the first Weekly WD with the first copy of WH Visions. And then WH Visions 1 week early as their subscription. No idea if Subs are going up though,.

I went into my local GW today and was informed that indeed as others have stated the sub's will automatically move over to Warhammer Visions. The price will remain the same until you have to renew the subscription.

In my case we pay every three months so next time it will go up, equal to £10 over the year (£2.50 for the quarter in my case). If you got a yearly one it's when that is renewed.

ok, so I sent an email to GW Customer Service the other day and have got a reply (I've added a bit of emphasis on the bits I think are important):

GW Customer Services wrote:Hi Koppo

Thanks for the email, there are indeed a few changes to the White Dwarf, from February the White Dwarf team will be releasing 2 magazines, White Dwarf weekly and Warhammer Visions.

White Dwarf weekly is exactly that; a 36 page weekly magazine, come February we will be releasing new products weekly rather than monthly, which means more great models and hobby supplies to enjoy. The White Dwarf Weekly will contain everything you need to know about all the week's new releases and latest Hobby news. You'll also find new features, new modelling and painting techniques, new rules, new columnists and much more.

Warhammer Visions is a completely new monthly magazine from the White Dwarf team. It will be over 230 pages full with a visual feast of Citadel Miniatures from the Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000 worlds and the lands of Middle Earth, with all your favourite sections from the old White Dwarf magazine from Army of the Month and Blanchitsu, to Kit Bash and Paint Splatter, along with new articles.

The White Dwarf weekly will be available to purchase every saturday from your local Games Workshop and independent retail store, as well as from the Games Workshop website.

As a subscriber, your subscription will now transfer over to the monthly Warhammer: Visions magazine, however you will also initially receive a free copy of the 1st issue of White Dwarf Weekly so you can see the difference between the new magazines. You should also receive a letter explaining the changes to the subscription, and if you would like to make any amendments to the subscription the letter should detail how to do so. You should receive this around the 1st February, (possibly a few days thereafter depending on the postal system in your area).

After the initial delivery you will receive the new Warhammer Visions issue each month, which will be released on the first Saturday each month, and as a subscriber you should receive the magazine a few days before the release in stores.

If you are a current subscriber the price for the subscription will not change until you need to resubscribe.

We hope you will enjoy the new magazines.
Regards

Games Workshop Customer Service

Thanks for posting that. I emailed them a few days ago, and again this morning but haven't heard from them.

Looks like when my sub runs out that's it for me. (Yeah, I know - but it's mostly out of habit since I started with WD 97 or 98)