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ok so i been hearing rumours here and there, of possibly a BA codex release sometime this year..... this got me thinking what every1 would like to see from the new dex.. the obvious pop outs are a point decrease across the board, some useful non-unwieldly weapons for HQ ect. ect.

So as with the new 6th ed dex's everyones got a new fancy rule specifically to them and some new toys, with the new DA books they got fancy knight bike rider guys, new landspeeder & flyer, marines got dreadnought/terminator clunky guys, some boringish tanks and a few special rules for each chapter..

so for blood angels special codex specific rule?? (like marines have the "chapter tactics")
possibly new unit/models? (very hopeful here, i know we got alotta fancy stuff just a while ago but what the hell)
fancy new relic weapons?
characters maybe?

lemme know what ya think....

This is not a proposed rule. I suggest News and Rumours for this thread.

40k general is a better fit, so .....

I'd like to see BA not be power armor, because all the power armor books in 6th have been disappointing.

Martel732 wrote:
I'd like to see BA not be power armor, because all the power armor books in 6th have been disappointing.

On that note, I really want Blood Angels to be good, since it'd mean that there'd be at least one MEQ assault army that isn't rubbish. The fact that Blood Angels are supposed to be a MEQ assault army doesn't give me much hope, though.

BA are going to suck. All the meq books in 6th fundamentally suck, and assault sucks from the base book. I can't imagine what they would actually write in this codex to make it competitive.

It comes down to surviving Xeno firepower, and you need Screamerstar or Jetseer durability to do that.

Would they really release a new codex so soon after releasing an updated digital codex? Same argument would apply for adepta sororitas.

The updated digital codex didn't really do anything.

 Opera wrote:
Would they really release a new codex so soon after releasing an updated digital codex? Same argument would apply for adepta sororitas.

Wasn't it just the 5th ed codex updated with the FAQs?

All I really want from the new codex is a fair point reduction. Maybe, a chapter wide special rule similar to Raven Guard chapter tactics... and no new stupid looking models. Really, no new units at all.

So they will release a new codex several months after charging people a fortune for a digital version of the old one? I doubt.

I rather like C: SM and C: CSM!

So they will release a new codex several months after charging people a fortune for a digital version of the old one? I doubt.

Well, there's also heavy talk of a 6.5 edition coming this year which supposedly incorporates all the content from escalation and stroghold assault, so who knows?

At the current pace of codex releases is anything to go by, Autumn 2014 is a pretty reasonable estimate, I think.

Also, I'm not sure that many BA players would've bothered with the digital codex. I'd be interested to know.

I know I didnt waste my $$ on the digital version of the BA 5th edition codex. I have been getting more and more certain that there is no FIX for BA that GW is willing to impliment. Power armored assaulty troops backed up by rhino-derived tanks and transports dont hold up against the new xeno codices.

Maybe a codex wide price reduction and the ability to remove jump packs from our underwhelming HQs would be a start. We will lose our Heroic Intervention while Tau pieplate us with interceptor

Vanguards were always crap, even in 5th. Looking back, the BA codex really relied in a few gimmicks in 5th, none of which exist in 6th. The BA were never a quality codex, just a gimmicky one.

Martel732 wrote:
Vanguards were always crap, even in 5th. Looking back, the BA codex really relied in a few gimmicks in 5th, none of which exist in 6th. The BA were never a quality codex, just a gimmicky one.

This was the case in 3rd edition as well where they were one of the first codexes released; they weren't good but had a lot of gimmicks (additional move or something, as I vaguely recall) and were better in CC which was dominant back in those days.

My wish list -

1. An across the board points reduction
2. Keep "fast" on all vehicles
3. A new flier that fills the roll of the StormTalon in the regular marine book (it could even be the actual talon - just don't name it the "blood talon"
and have it be like a crapier version of the ST) AND sits in the FA slot
4. Some kind of tweak to the Death Company. I feel like there's still potential for the BA to be a good CC army because of the DC, but I'm not quite sure
what the tweak needs to be. Maybe a better version of FnP?
5. Give the BA something (in terms of a new USR) that re-enforces their ability at airborne assaults. I know we still have skies of Blood/descent of angels but they could use tweaked now that you are limited in what you can do after a deep strike
6. Baal Preds able to be taken in squadrons - I know I know .... HUGE PIPE DREAM lol
7. Some good AA support

I think that covers it. I'd really be happy even with just a few of these.

1. Initiative boost on the charge.
2. glaive encarmine ap 1
3. Points reduction
4. Storm talon
5. Anti-air tanks
6. Thunder fire cannons, or some barrage-sniping weapons
7. Charge after deep strike

Like to see a codex come out that dosent need Erratta or amendments ever. Wait...its GW

 Opera wrote:
So they will release a new codex several months after charging people a fortune for a digital version of the old one? I doubt.

Why? Sounds like a typical GW move to me. Could become a SOP if it works out without too much of a craphurricane from the financial point of view.

Martel732 wrote:
Vanguards were always crap, even in 5th. Looking back, the BA codex really relied in a few gimmicks in 5th, none of which exist in 6th. The BA were never a quality codex, just a gimmicky one.

Well, BA Vanguards were less crap than everyone else's Vanguard, with Descent of Angels. Still, a gimmick that has rarely been worth trying for me, even without pie-plate Intercepting Tau. The SM replacement for "heroic Intervention" is just plain awful.

I started back into 40k right as 6th was coming out, so I never ran razor-spam with assault squads. I never got to assault out of non-assault vehicles.

Death Company jump packs need to be cheaper. Death Company themselves need to be cheaper. I also need a magic formula to determine how many DC marines it takes to GET into close combat without killing yourself OUT of CC in the first assault and getting shot to death. I'd like Dirge Casters too

I'm currently using LR spam for "attempts at competitive play", when half my gaming group is running TAU or ELDAR armies (in their defense, they *always* played TAU or Eldar, no FOTM). If I'm going to lose, I'm going to lose after shoving LRs down their throat, not hanging back and pretending to be Ultramarines.


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 Opera wrote:
So they will release a new codex several months after charging people a fortune for a digital version of the old one? I doubt.

It was dirty pool to release an "updated" Digital Codex without flat out telling people: There are NO new rules here. It is the existing CODEX + some FAQs, in digital format.

Scanning in the old Codex takes approximately NO TIME, and adding the FAQs only slightly longer. I don't know if it cost "a fortune". It cost more than it should.

What I'd like to see, being reasonable (and note this is from the POV of not seeing either MEQ or assault as worthless)
- Some boost to CC potential. Either old-school FC (just rename it Rage of Baal or something, and give them the +1 Init) or something that allows assault from DS. Even if it's only a 1d6 charge, it would be something cool and fluffy. Maybe even make them give up shooting. That said, given the way Heroic Intervention changed, I don't expect this. Another idea (A bit out-of-the-left-field) is to allow them a 6"+d6 charge, to give them that much more reliability.

- DC and SG cheaper

- Give our IC's back their initiative. I'd even tolerate AP3 if it meant I could actually use the high Init that Astorath and Dante pay for.

- points drops as expected. Perhaps cheaper CC upgrades than C:SM.

Martel732 wrote:
BA are going to suck. All the meq books in 6th fundamentally suck, and assault sucks from the base book. I can't imagine what they would actually write in this codex to make it competitive.

It comes down to surviving Xeno firepower, and you need Screamerstar or Jetseer durability to do that.

Not true at all. I play daemons without screamerstar and stomp xenos... All you need is 4 -5 FMC with a bunch of quick units like seekers, daemonettes, and flesh hounds.

Okay. Well marines have a decided lack of FMC as well. And bikers are fast, but still too few. And servo skulls happened.

Truly, I don't expect much.
Point reductions, point reductions everywhere and that's most of it. The DoA will propably have some minor change and we will get WL-traits, which will look cool but won't be great. Maybe a relic or two which I won't be excited for.

I assume that they will make some small changes to ASM (no idea what) and DC will have some new idea. Maybe new ASM box btw?

Maybe a single new unit or some vehicle variant but I doubt it.

I would like to see the sanguinator priests stay the way they are in now, but for GW to actually release a mini with the chalice other then Corbalu.

Since assaulting out of deepstrike/reserve is gone and won't be back this edition I would like to see a rule where any blood angel unit that deep strikes gets to fire their weapons a second time and at +1 BS. Makes deep striking units with jump packs (and the Decent of Angels rule) nasty landing behind your lines in order to ignore cover. Maybe give such units access to more special weapons.

A large reduction in the cost of jump packs for character models/ death company. And increase in the cost of bikes.

A new dreadnought that is jump jet equipped.

Better rules for encarmine glaives. They are very strange at present. Two handed power weapons that act as 1 handers with master crafted.

Rumbleguts wrote:
I would like to see the sanguinator priests stay the way they are in now, but for GW to actually release a mini with the chalice other then Corbalu.

Since assaulting out of deepstrike/reserve is gone and won't be back this edition I would like to see a rule where any blood angel unit that deep strikes gets to fire their weapons a second time and at +1 BS. Makes deep striking units with jump packs (and the Decent of Angels rule) nasty landing behind your lines in order to ignore cover. Maybe give such units access to more special weapons.

Intresting idea... Or maybe twin-linked in Deathwing style? Would be nice, but I doubt that. GW will propably keep them as CC-army.
The Priest model? Yes please.

 soomemafia wrote:

Rumbleguts wrote:
I would like to see the sanguinator priests stay the way they are in now, but for GW to actually release a mini with the chalice other then Corbalu.

The Priest model? Yes please.

If you can get hold of the space hulk chalice, they aren't too hard to make.

AN ASSAULT VEHICLE THAT IS NOT A MINIMUM OF 240PTS!!! Maybe make the lucius pattern rhino assault.

Cheaper assault marines, scouts and tacticals.
Massively cheaper jp equipped dc and sanguinary guard.
Honour guard with artificier armour upgrade option (differentiates them from c:sm command squad and c:sm HG)
Sanguinor cheaper and with IC status (he bloody leads units in their codex photos) or T5 and extra wound.
Dante with EW and ability to strike at initiative.
Astorath without a jp option.
Corbulo with a jp option.
Mephy with MC status to get rid of his silly st10 yet ap3.
Not having to pay pointless extra points for a fast whirlwind.
Spartan assault tank as an actual non-fw, codex legal, hs choice (makes up for the stormraven theft).
Tactics similar to ravenguards 'use jp in movement and assault phase'.


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That should bring us in line with 'tier 2' codecies.

Poly Ranger wrote:
AN ASSAULT VEHICLE THAT IS NOT A MINIMUM OF 240PTS!!!

Said every Space Marine player, ever!

 kronk wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
AN ASSAULT VEHICLE THAT IS NOT A MINIMUM OF 240PTS!!!

Said every Space Marine player, ever!

True, true. But one can still dream... :')

To the OP: where are these rumours of your? I got curious and anxious now so if the codex really is coming this year that's great!!