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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 02:34:58
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Veteran ORC
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I'll try to make this quick and to the point, but this is something that just doesn't make sense to me.
On the subject of Abortion, I've always been of the notion that a father should have a say in if an Abortion can happen; this still allows unwanted pregnancies from ruining lives due to financial reasons or similar, but provides an additional safety net to protect the life of the unborn. This is usually shot down because of the following reaons:
- "It's her body, not his. The choice should be hers!" (By this logic, you could argue for the legalization of Meth, LSD, and Crack.)
- "What about Rape Victims; the Rapist shouldn't have a say!" (Agreed, see below)
- "Why should the father have a say?" (Because he had a say in making the baby in the first place [Barring rape])
I have always proposed that it should have to have yes votes from both mother and father, with a judge being able to rule in favor of the mother being able to ignore the father's wishes (In case of rape, a incompetent father, or some other mishap.) This has always been shot down as being too much of a hassle; it should be solely in the mother's choice to have an abortion, father should NOT have a say in it.
But does this mean that murder cases are too much of a hassle?
What I am saying, is that if someone's brother was brutally murdered, is it "too much of a hassle" for them to be dragged into a long, arduous and painful trial so as to see justice is done? What about a witness, they are asked to keep the brutal murder fresh in their mind and retell the tale over and over so as to allow the facts to be brought to light in court. Is that trial any less agonizing? Is a murder, a cessation of an old life, more important than an abortion, a stymieing of a new life?
Any sort of argument of an abortion not requiring a trial can be used for murder, as well; If a woman is raped, she should not have to wait for a trial for an abortion. However, if a man is killed, should his brother have to wait for a trial to imprison the murderer for 5-20 years? If a pregnancy is the result of a mutually consenting "good time" and doesn't require a trial, why do accidental murders (Such as a gun discharging at a firing range on accident and killing someone) require a trial and potentially bump the accidental death up into a Manslaughter charge?
Now, I'm not saying that Abortion is Murder. Letter of the Law, Murder is a human killing another, and a Fetus technically isn't classified as Human. I will fully state that I disagree with this, but that is not the point of this thread. This thread is about the Logical Jump from a Trial for Crime A and how it is too much of a hassle, but Crime B requires a judge, jury, and potentially executioner?
Thoughts, Dakka? I'm trying to open up a discussion, NOT a flame bait argument thread. Let's be civil, please.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 02:39:09
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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The male commitment to a fetus is just a loving spoonful.
While there can be emotional investment involved, if the woman doesn't want a child, it's her body, and regardless of the feelings of her partner, she's the one forced to make the biggest commitment.
If you're with someone who doesn't want a child, and you do, and you consider that to be a major factor in your relationship, you might not be cut out for one another.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 02:43:59
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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I agree, it takes 2 to make the life, it should take 2 to end it. (barring special cases of course). I already disagree with abortion, but it is up to people to decide. But i definately think the father should have a say. If my wife killed our kid against my will id leave her.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 02:58:28
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Oh... my...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:01:46
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Before this thread crashes in a ball of fire. I think the father should not be entirely separated from the process, though the mother should have the largest influence in the decision.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:03:15
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Do the mirror opposite.
Where I live... I had to get my (then) wife's signature/approval before I can get my vasectomy.
Is that right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:10:22
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Fafnir wrote:The male commitment to a fetus is just a loving spoonful.
While there can be emotional investment involved, if the woman doesn't want a child, it's her body, and regardless of the feelings of her partner, she's the one forced to make the biggest commitment.
If you're with someone who doesn't want a child, and you do, and you consider that to be a major factor in your relationship, you might not be cut out for one another.
Yes, but if a woman doesn't want to go to jail, she doesn't murder someone.
If a kid doesn't want to swatted with a wooden spoon, (s)he doesn't try to steal a cookie from the cookie jar.
Why is this so much different with Sex and pregnancies? If you don't want to live with the consequences, you just simply don't do the thing that has potentially bad consequences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:11:50
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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What the actual feth do you care if somebody gets an abortion or not? Stop trying to control peoples lives and guilt trip women.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:13:33
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Slarg232 wrote: Fafnir wrote:The male commitment to a fetus is just a loving spoonful.
While there can be emotional investment involved, if the woman doesn't want a child, it's her body, and regardless of the feelings of her partner, she's the one forced to make the biggest commitment.
If you're with someone who doesn't want a child, and you do, and you consider that to be a major factor in your relationship, you might not be cut out for one another.
Yes, but if a woman doesn't want to go to jail, she doesn't murder someone.
If a kid doesn't want to swatted with a wooden spoon, (s)he doesn't try to steal a cookie from the cookie jar.
Why is this so much different with Sex and pregnancies? If you don't want to live with the consequences, you just simply don't do the thing that has potentially bad consequences.
If your first look at a child is as a punishment or a bad consequence, something's to be said that maybe you shouldn't be the one caring for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:13:58
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Because, in the end it is the womans body who is going to get wrecked, has to go through the pain of child birth and have to deal with some nasty stuff afterwords. And then suddenly, the baby she carried for nine months isnt hers? What if they are in the army, or a physical job?
Until men can carry the babies for the women lik in that episode of sliders, NO!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:16:50
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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whembly wrote:Do the mirror opposite.
Where I live... I had to get my (then) wife's signature/approval before I can get my vasectomy.
Is that right?
Several things I would have to ask about that:
1) Did you and your wife talk about it before hand, or did you just suddenly decide to get a vasectomy without talking to her?
2) Is getting a Vasectomy comparable to an abortion, or more along the lines of severing the Tubes of a female to prevent childbirth?
3) Should a mother not have a say in if she could have kids with her partner?
I would say that she should have a say in the fact that, Assuming happily married and going to be so for 30+ years, it will affect her just as much as it affects the male. However, I would disagree that a Vasectomy is not quite like an abortion in that a third life wouldn't be ended due to a vasectomy (Indeed, a male could even sperm back some of his.... sperm..... for when the time is to have a kid is right).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Medium of Death wrote:What the actual feth do you care if somebody gets an abortion or not? Stop trying to control peoples lives and guilt trip women.
What the actual feth do you care about Meth, Crack, LSD, and general Drug Trafficking in the country? It's not right to try to control people's lives, if they want to do drugs, should they not be able to chose? Automatically Appended Next Post: Fafnir wrote: Slarg232 wrote: Fafnir wrote:The male commitment to a fetus is just a loving spoonful.
While there can be emotional investment involved, if the woman doesn't want a child, it's her body, and regardless of the feelings of her partner, she's the one forced to make the biggest commitment.
If you're with someone who doesn't want a child, and you do, and you consider that to be a major factor in your relationship, you might not be cut out for one another.
Yes, but if a woman doesn't want to go to jail, she doesn't murder someone.
If a kid doesn't want to swatted with a wooden spoon, (s)he doesn't try to steal a cookie from the cookie jar.
Why is this so much different with Sex and pregnancies? If you don't want to live with the consequences, you just simply don't do the thing that has potentially bad consequences.
If your first look at a child is as a punishment or a bad consequence, something's to be said that maybe you shouldn't be the one caring for it.
A child isn't a punishment or a bad consequence (A consequence is a result of an action, winning the lottery is a consequence of buying a lottery ticket). My point is that if you (in general, not you in particular) aren't willing to take the time to realize "Hey, she could get pregnant if we have sex, what do we do if that happens?", why are you having sex in the first place?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:26:48
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Slarg232 wrote:
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Medium of Death wrote:What the actual feth do you care if somebody gets an abortion or not? Stop trying to control peoples lives and guilt trip women.
What the actual feth do you care about Meth, Crack, LSD, and general Drug Trafficking in the country? It's not right to try to control people's lives, if they want to do drugs, should they not be able to chose?
You have no Idea his ideas on drugs, you are assuming.
Also, Drug Traficking and rug using tend to be very violent crimes, with speed and crack making you violent
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:28:17
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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And sometimes precautions fail. Condoms break, prescriptions might not be perfect, or sometimes people make mistakes or might not even have the right education.
But the important thing, in relation to the OP, is that she could get pregnant. Not him. And that's a weight she has to carry. So forgive her if she holds more weight in the decision.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:29:03
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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whembly wrote:Do the mirror opposite.
Where I live... I had to get my (then) wife's signature/approval before I can get my vasectomy.
Is that right?
Bingo, many places require then, but the men have no say the other way around.
My opinion is the man should have just as much say. Sure the gestation takes place in the woman, but that is a baby, a child, a son/daughter to the man. That is a life, a lifetime of memories, joys, fun, anger, hatred, whatever that the woman has sole discretion over. That is wrong in my eyes.
I see no reason why the woman gets total say over that much of my life. Especially when she made the same decision I did to engage in sex.
And now that I've put my opinion in, I will not visit this thread again, because nothing will have come of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:29:29
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Slarg232 wrote:
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Medium of Death wrote:What the actual feth do you care if somebody gets an abortion or not? Stop trying to control peoples lives and guilt trip women.
What the actual feth do you care about Meth, Crack, LSD, and general Drug Trafficking in the country? It's not right to try to control people's lives, if they want to do drugs, should they not be able to chose?
You have no Idea his ideas on drugs, you are assuming.
Also, Drug Traficking and rug using tend to be very violent crimes, with speed and crack making you violent
Their bodies, taking and selling/buying drugs are their decision. Yes, arrest them for doing violence to another person, but solely using, buying, or selling drugs? What does it matter to anyone else?
And most people are not fans of any of the major offenders with drugs. Marijuana is the only one with a majority backing, and it's starting to be legalized.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:31:42
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Y'know I promised myself I wouldt come into this thread. Why the hell did I?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:33:32
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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djones520 wrote: whembly wrote:Do the mirror opposite.
Where I live... I had to get my (then) wife's signature/approval before I can get my vasectomy.
Is that right?
Bingo, many places require then, but the men have no say the other way around.
My opinion is the man should have just as much say. Sure the gestation takes place in the woman, but that is a baby, a child, a son/daughter to the man. That is a life, a lifetime of memories, joys, fun, anger, hatred, whatever that the woman has sole discretion over. That is wrong in my eyes.
I see no reason why the woman gets total say over that much of my life. Especially when she made the same decision I did to engage in sex.
And now that I've put my opinion in, I will not visit this thread again, because nothing will have come of it.
WOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOOOOO
Don't make that assumption.
Some people have been raped and are stuck with pregnancy from someone that just came up to them and did that to them.
Thats blaming the victim right there. I advise you rewrite that please and withdraw your statement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:35:22
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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This got stupid QUICKLY.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:37:16
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Fafnir wrote:And sometimes precautions fail. Condoms break, prescriptions might not be perfect, or sometimes people make mistakes or might not even have the right education.
But the important thing, in relation to the OP, is that she could get pregnant. Not him. And that's a weight she has to carry. So forgive her if she holds more weight in the decision.
To break it down:
Condoms Break: Dude was wearing a Condom, so he probably doesn't want the kid either. Not much of an issue.
Prescriptions aren't perfect: Again, they were taking birth control, so they probably don't want a kid. If it's the result of a drunken hookup, the father wouldn't even know about it half the time, again, no change.
People Make Mistakes: So because a guy now has a son he wants nothing to do with but the girl wants to keep, he is forced to pay Child Support/have a spawn of his running around, but if a girl gets pregnant, doesn't want the kid, but the father does, tough luck?
Right Education: So it is morally right to prevent people with poor education for not having high paying jobs, but not for allowing people to be born?
He could get her pregnant. She has the choice of spreading her legs or not, just like he has the choice of doing anything with it. Both are at fault/to be blamed/should have a say. Automatically Appended Next Post: Asherian Command wrote: djones520 wrote: whembly wrote:Do the mirror opposite.
Where I live... I had to get my (then) wife's signature/approval before I can get my vasectomy.
Is that right?
Bingo, many places require then, but the men have no say the other way around.
My opinion is the man should have just as much say. Sure the gestation takes place in the woman, but that is a baby, a child, a son/daughter to the man. That is a life, a lifetime of memories, joys, fun, anger, hatred, whatever that the woman has sole discretion over. That is wrong in my eyes.
I see no reason why the woman gets total say over that much of my life. Especially when she made the same decision I did to engage in sex.
And now that I've put my opinion in, I will not visit this thread again, because nothing will have come of it.
WOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOOOOO
Don't make that assumption.
Some people have been raped and are stuck with pregnancy from someone that just came up to them and did that to them.
Thats blaming the victim right there. I advise you rewrite that please and withdraw your statement.
Which again, rape victims would get waivered through and have an abortion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:43:27
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Slarg232 wrote: whembly wrote:Do the mirror opposite.
Where I live... I had to get my (then) wife's signature/approval before I can get my vasectomy.
Is that right?
Several things I would have to ask about that:
1) Did you and your wife talk about it before hand, or did you just suddenly decide to get a vasectomy without talking to her?
We discussed it because she chicken'ed out in getting her tubes tied after our 2nd child was born (C-section).
2) Is getting a Vasectomy comparable to an abortion, or more along the lines of severing the Tubes of a female to prevent childbirth?
Not comparable to abortion (tube tied, yes)... but that's what I wasn't talking about. I'm talking about the male/female making the decision together.
3) Should a mother not have a say in if she could have kids with her partner?
Of course... that's why I brought it up.
I would say that she should have a say in the fact that, Assuming happily married and going to be so for 30+ years, it will affect her just as much as it affects the male. However, I would disagree that a Vasectomy is not quite like an abortion in that a third life wouldn't be ended due to a vasectomy (Indeed, a male could even sperm back some of his.... sperm..... for when the time is to have a kid is right).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:53:01
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Seriously think this borderline misogynistic gak all the way through, fellas.
A woman is pregnant. Man wants baby, woman does not. Where do we go from here? A woman is forced to carry the baby to term and birth it? Against her will??? Fething nuts, man. Out to lunch. Totally fething bonkers.
If a man really wants a baby, then he first gets his gak together, finds a willing partner and commits to having a planned baby.
Or, oops! knock up your girlfriend, find out she's not the baby gettin' rid of kind, and sack the feth up and be an accidental father.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:54:19
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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feeder wrote:Seriously think this borderline misogynistic gak all the way through, fellas.
A woman is pregnant. Man wants baby, woman does not. Where do we go from here? A woman is forced to carry the baby to term and birth it? Against her will??? Fething nuts, man. Out to lunch. Totally fething bonkers.
If a man really wants a baby, then he first gets his gak together, finds a willing partner and commits to having a planned baby.
Or, oops! knock up your girlfriend, find out she's not the baby gettin' rid of kind, and sack the feth up and be an accidental father.
Sadly the last one wraps up half my high school grade quite nicely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 03:55:28
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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feeder wrote:Seriously think this borderline misogynistic gak all the way through, fellas. A woman is pregnant. Man wants baby, woman does not. Where do we go from here? A woman is forced to carry the baby to term and birth it? Against her will??? Fething nuts, man. Out to lunch. Totally fething bonkers. If a man really wants a baby, then he first gets his gak together, finds a willing partner and commits to having a planned baby. Or, oops! knock up your girlfriend, find out she's not the baby gettin' rid of kind, and sack the feth up and be an accidental father. Which is pretty much what i think those kind of guys do. All the ones i know do anyways. Sorta thing you figure out before marriage. But the point is, even if its planned your wife/partner can win the lottery and get free tickets to fiji, decide the baby can wait, kills it then goes on holiday. Without the dads approval. (far fetched i know but there is nothing there for the father, who could love the kid, as fathers usually do)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 04:00:04
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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feeder wrote:Where do we go from here? A woman is forced to carry the baby to term and birth it? Against her will??? Fething nuts, man. Out to lunch. Totally fething bonkers
A woman is a person with a full set of rights. Those rights don't allow someone else to trump them so she can become an unwilling uterus for an unwanted baby. That idea is pants on head insane.
Your rights end when they keep someone else from making their own medical decisions for their own body, in my opinion, whether it be a woman having the sole right to deciding if she wants an abortion or a man deciding he wants a vasectomy. I feel just as strongly about the latter as I do about the former.
If a man gets a vasectomy the spouse didn't agree to, she's free to seek a divorce. That's her right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 04:05:27
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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feeder wrote:Seriously think this borderline misogynistic gak all the way through, fellas.
A woman is pregnant. Man wants baby, woman does not. Where do we go from here? A woman is forced to carry the baby to term and birth it? Against her will??? Fething nuts, man. Out to lunch. Totally fething bonkers.
If a man really wants a baby, then he first gets his gak together, finds a willing partner and commits to having a planned baby.
Or, oops! knock up your girlfriend, find out she's not the baby gettin' rid of kind, and sack the feth up and be an accidental father.
Both parties agreed to have sex in the first place, no? Babies are a consequence (Not a BAD consequence) of having sex, is it not?
It wouldn't be "Man say woman have baby, woman have baby", but a judge would hear the case out.
And before anyone says "What if both parties didn't agree to have sex?" (Ergo, rape), than I would like to direct that person to read the original post; rape victims need not apply.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 04:07:18
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Mr Nobody wrote:Before this thread crashes in a ball of fire. I think the father should not be entirely separated from the process, though the mother should have the largest influence in the decision.
I agree with you, but I think the thread arrived as a ball of fire.
Really like any other important decision the two should talk about it before it actually happens and make sure both sides have made their point clear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 04:07:57
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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And then a judge, who is most likely man says "You have baby" That is dangerously clse to using women as breeding machines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 04:08:08
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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n0t_u wrote: Mr Nobody wrote:Before this thread crashes in a ball of fire. I think the father should not be entirely separated from the process, though the mother should have the largest influence in the decision.
I agree with you, but I think the thread arrived as a ball of fire.
Really like any other important decision the two should talk about it before it actually happens and make sure both sides have made their point clear.
Ideally, yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 04:08:34
Subject: Re:A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Slarg - is your argument that if a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want it, and the man does, she is forced to carry it to term anyway? No long justifications, just a yes or no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/10 04:08:50
Subject: A question for Dakka on Abortion.
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Slarg232 wrote:feeder wrote:Seriously think this borderline misogynistic gak all the way through, fellas.
A woman is pregnant. Man wants baby, woman does not. Where do we go from here? A woman is forced to carry the baby to term and birth it? Against her will??? Fething nuts, man. Out to lunch. Totally fething bonkers.
If a man really wants a baby, then he first gets his gak together, finds a willing partner and commits to having a planned baby.
Or, oops! knock up your girlfriend, find out she's not the baby gettin' rid of kind, and sack the feth up and be an accidental father.
Both parties agreed to have sex in the first place, no? Babies are a consequence (Not a BAD consequence) of having sex, is it not?
It wouldn't be "Man say woman have baby, woman have baby", but a judge would hear the case out.
And before anyone says "What if both parties didn't agree to have sex?" (Ergo, rape), than I would like to direct that person to read the original post; rape victims need not apply.
It is like this. Someone walks into a bar the person drinks the beer, gets in their car, drives their car into the bar. They blame the Bar owner for giving them beer. Bar owner has no say in the matter and is arrested.
It is mostly that the woman has to go through the the massive problem of child birth. If they have to go through that much physical trauma, you bet your kiddies that her opinions matter more than yours. Your opinion may sway her to either her keeping the baby or killing it. Just know that.
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