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 heartserenade wrote:
So you'll report a person just because they disagree with you? Stay classy.

I'm not for nor against 40k. What I'm against is faulty logic: i.e. yours.

i made the thread in hopes of wondering why this mentyality would occurr.

While offending a lot of people in the process. Nice. Really, you need to make a thread in order to know why people would want to complain about something they don't like? Wow.

As I showed, it is unfortunately, "stalker mentality".

See above.

Maybe I'll just never understand that sort of thinking.

If you can't understand why people would want to complain about something they don't like, you're either pretending to not know, or you're just super stupid. Choose.

no one should ever report someone just because they disagre with them. They should feel free to report a person who has broken the rules of the forum by making personal attacks. Read the actual rules of the forum. of course, it is up to the mods to make the actual call but as a 'concerned citizen and the victim of such personal attacks, i have every right to bring them to the attention of the mods.
We can discuss a topic without name calling and attacking one another personally.
you logic is faulty. No one is faulting someone for complaining about something they dont like. The question is about why the one complaining feels the need to spam the complains in all of the threads in a forum , even in threads where the complaints are totally off topic and just do not even make sense. There are threads dedicated to airing out those complaints. I'm wondering why not complain when it is actually on topic instead of hijacking threads where the complaints have nothing to do with the conversation. heck, I complain about aspects at times. but always on topic and when appropriate.
now, i disagree with the stalker mentality, but you will notice that I am talking about a behavior and course of actions rather than any particuler people or person. Running about targeting specific people and calling them stupid out of the blue goes back to reportable behavior.

CalgarsPimpHand, you have already made up your mind about me and have preconceived notions. Likely, you will not even bother to read my post but I will post it anyway.
my question is not about who HAS complaints about the game or about people who are not 100% satisfied with the game. like i said, I have had issues with it for decades. What I am talking about is someone who has a gutwrenching hatred for the company and everything about the game. Evidently this hatred is so strong that these people must get violently ill at the mere thought of the game or the company (yes extreme exageration but it is to prove the point) but yet still somehow feel the need to spend the majority of their waking hours glued to a computer moniter to scour the internet for sites and forums that cater to players who play the game and spam page after page of rage and bile practically puking all over their moniters the sickening hate they are putting into words is so strong (still using the extreme exageration) in a herculean effort to try to convince the rest of the world to hate the game and the company enough to put it out of business.

it comes down to if you hate it that much, stop playing it. Or come up with house rules. Hell, I'le been working on a set of rules for the last few years based on a D10 system that actually works very well so far and allows me to use the same models or even keep it in the same setting (of course, due to IP issues, I could never sell or publish anything directly GW related.
if you like the models only, even there are plenty of other games where they can be used in.
or you can closet them until a better edition comes out. Whatever, I just dont see spamming bilious rage across the internet disrupting conversations of others as being productive.

 EVIL INC wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
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if you hate the game and dont play it, there is no reason to spend all of your time on sites dedicated solely to it. Thats like breaking up with a GF and then stalking her everywhere she goes and trying to beat up any male person she talks to. Your going where you should not be WANTING to go harrassing others who like something you dont JUST because they like it trying to convince them to not like it either. THATS the no one situation right there.

If I remember correctly, this site is for wargaming and not just for 40k, yes?

let me scroll up to the top of the page.... ahh here it is, a copy and paste of the forum section we are in "Forum Index » 40K General Discussion". now there are warmachine sections here as well. I dont play war machine. it may be a perfectly good game. But as I dont play it, you dont see me going into that section and hijacking threads and spamming all over the place how much it sucks, should never have been, anyone who plays it is stupid and so on and so forth. But we see that here from those wh oprofess to hate 40k and everything about it.
i made the thread in hopes of wondering why this mentyality would occurr. As I showed, it is unfortunately, "stalker mentality". Maybe I'll just never understand that sort of thinking.

Poly Ranger wrote:
I played red alert 2. Everyone complained about how broken prism tanks and super weapons were. There were online matchs which banned the use of them... I still played and liked red alert 2. Just because someone dislikes a certain aspect does not mean they dislike the entire thing.
Oh and i've spent thousands on the hobby, I also have friends into the hobby. If I bought a house in an area I liked and then the area went downhill would I not be allowed to complain about the area becoming less desirable by your logic? Would your response just be 'stop annoying me and just move'? Despite my investment and friends being in the area?
Also quick question for you. If you hate people complaining about the game rules so much, why do you click on threads whos titles make it blatent you will see exactly that? Doing so makes your above statement incredibly hypocritical.

The issue is that it is not complaining about certain aspects of the game. It is people spamming hate for the entire game and everything about it.
It is also not an issue of buying a house and complaining because the area went downhil, it is a matter of buying a car and purposely driving to the worst criminal activity area and leaving the door open with the keys in it and walking away. and then complaining because it got stolen
It is also not about us avoiding threads that have those posts in them. They are in each and every single thread here spammed.
as i said before, complain and whatever you like, thats your right (not you in particuler, just using the figure of speach), I'm just curious of the mentality.

 Zweischneid wrote:
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Exalted

Deadnight wrote:


Want me to hold your high horse while you come down?

*shrug*. Honestly? Whatever floats your boat, bud. Seems you've got your mind made up, and you've got your scapegoats ready, damn any other conflicting opinions that clash with the worldview that it's only waacers who complain.

Plenty folks complain. For a lot of reasons. What you say is both short sighted and narrow minded. Plenty folks other than waacers have issues with the game, and a lot of it is more than 'I have to win every game' (that's just bloody rude)and ranged from issues with its structure, mechanisms, with its balance (or lack of it), with the lack of company support, faqs etc. plenty people want a fame that works, not a game they have to fix themselves.

And in case you didn't notice, it's a forum. People are allowed discuss things - that includes complaints. What's next - officially sanctioned discussion topics that evil inc approves of?

Poly Ranger, this applies to you too.
Reported, asking a simple question is no reason for a personal attack and insults. try to keep it polite.
Personally, I have many issues with the game. Each edition has aspects that I do and dont like and to be honest, the inconsistancy of the fluff has always been a thorn in my side and I honestly feel that switching it from a D^ system to a D10 or percentage system (although the D10 would be faster than the percentage), would allw for more realism and variation while keeping it simple. However, you dont see me hijacking and spamming each and every thread that is started posting page after page of complaints and adding nothing to the actual topic. That is a bit much. I learn each edition and learn to play within the rules of them and enjoy the game as it is focusing more on the aspects I like without letting the aspects I dont ruin my fun. I am the LAST person anyone could call a WAAC player but that doesnt mean i wont discuss the aspects I dont like in a civil conversation when it is on topic. what i am talking about here is when it is not. For example, an OP may say "What special weapon should i put in my tactical squad when facing eldar?" and the "stalker" will start pages of "THE RULES ARE BROKEN! you shouldnt be putting special weapons in your tactical squads because your going to lose anyway.GW sucks and 40k is no good ect ect ect...." A little extreme representation but overall accurate in meaning and intent.

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Reported??? I have not insulted you once. I have merely stated the fact that YOU insult people and use anecdotal 'evidence'. And that you rarely respond when I make a valid point! You however insult in most threads ive seen you in. Oh - i did call you hypocritical. But then again - thats a fact!


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I would suggest you read the rules of the forum ;-).

Calling people names is a reportable action. again, try to keep the conversation civil and on topic.

Reading through the thread, you will notice that i am far from the first person to notice this trend and wonder or come up with hypothesis, hypotheses, however multiple ones are spelled. lol

I appreciate that you have started to be civil now and have stopped insulting people. Thank you.


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On a side note... what name did i call you?

If you have a personal issue with me, use the PM function of if you are unable to interact politely, use the ignore function. It was you doing the name calling. Not I. i have remained civil and polite since joining the site.

For an example, I am not a big fan of incorporating the optional rules into the basic rules. Titans and such i 'normal games". mainly because of the amount of tailoring required to face them. Talking to my local TO yesterday at the tourney, he indicated that this may be an increasing trend. Rather than go from thread to thread across the internet, I will discuss it when it is the actual topc and just either work out a house rule arrangement with my gaming group or learn to tailor in as balanced a way as i can. Likely it will mean I lose more games, but that wont be the end of the world.

Aha, it's the weekly EVIL INC troll thread.

Why do people continue to play? Because they enjoy it and are already invested in it. This doesn't mean they have to agree with everything GW does. Simple.

Stop feeding the troll people.

I don't think this one ever had a chance...

And yet... It's still open

Trolling is a fishing term. so a "troller would be a fisherman. A trol is, well, I'm sure you know what one of those are. Depending upon the mythos, it could be a huge green regeneating guy or a big blue puker, whatever the case is, Calling a person one is a huge personal insult. Reported.

However, I will address your case on the topic. i am not talking about the people who enjoy the game. those are not the ones spamming the bile.

I can understand being invested. Especially so if you started playing in an edition you actually liked and spent a ton of money. I know this because there have been editions I liked better than later ones. There was even a period of seems like years where i hardly played at all. i think it was 3rd edition I almost missed and only played a little of.
There ARE other games. Some of them would even allow you to use the majority of your GW models. You could also house rule or create your own set built off of this or another game. Regardless, this I can still understand to a degree. However, in these cases, the image I have is not a guy talking about an ex he is trying to talk others away from, it reminds me more of a man talking about an ex-wife who 'took him to the cleaners" and is trying to keep others away from. lol THAT I still disagree with because talking about it when it is the actual topic would make sense but not spamming EVERYTHING with it. so in that case, i can understand but not totally agree with.

no one should ever report someone just because they disagre with them. They should feel free to report a person who has broken the rules of the forum by making personal attacks.

That's an insult? Wow. You must be really fun at parties. Should I "report" you as well for calling posters "stalkers"?

you wrote:you logic is faulty. No one is faulting someone for complaining about something they dont like.

also you wrote:"If you hate the game so much, save yourself the headache and just dont play the game."

"if you hate the game and dont play it, there is no reason to spend all of your time on sites dedicated solely to it."

"From all appearances it looks as though there are a lot of players who hate 40k and are only doing their best to convince others to hate it as well. "

"This appears to be more the truth. From what I have seen here, it is the hardcore guys who HAVE to win every game who generally complain about the rules because they dont get the free win every time they play the game. Because of this they aggressively attack the game and try to convince other players to not play the game. "

"i made the thread in hopes of wondering why this mentyality would occurr. As I showed, it is unfortunately, "stalker mentality". Maybe I'll just never understand that sort of thinking. "

Yeah, calling them stalkers who just want to makeother people unhappy because they're unhappy is not putting them at fault. Totally.

If you're going to mention logic, please use it. Please. I'm begging you.

I'm wondering why not complain when it is actually on topic instead of hijacking threads where the complaints have nothing to do with the conversation.

I'm wondering why complain about the complaining thus creating more complaining?

you wrote:CalgarsPimpHand, you have already made up your mind about me and have preconceived notions.

="also you"] From all appearances it looks as though there are a lot of players who hate 40k and are only doing their best to convince others to hate it as well. This is not good for the hobby, the gaming industry as a whole and not good for yourself or the people you are trying to "turn'.

EVIL INC, you have already made up your mind about those posters and have preconceived notions.

me wrote:If you can't understand why people would want to complain about something they don't like, you're either pretending to not know, or you're just super stupid. Choose.

So which one is it? Are you still wondering why people complain if they don't like something?

Why is there so many hate for 40k? Because some 40k fans are fat nerds that like to nerdrage and because people just seem to like complaining and whining in general. It is the same in politics.
40k is far from being perfect, but in all those whinestorms, the actual constructive criticism is being lost.
We should all stop the negativity, stop complaining, look at the good parts and offer constructive criticism to the parts that could be better. And then we will all sit down and have tea. With biscuits. Nice biscuits.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Why is there so many hate for 40k? Because some 40k fans are fat nerds that like to nerdrage and because people just seem to like complaining and whining in general. It is the same in politics.
40k is far from being perfect, but in all those whinestorms, the actual constructive criticism is being lost.
We should all stop the negativity, stop complaining, look at the good parts and offer constructive criticism to the parts that could be better. And then we will all sit down and have tea. With biscuits. Nice biscuits.

To be fair, A LOT of the criticism against 40K is in fact very constructive. As opposed to calling people "fat nerds that like to nerdrage".

 heartserenade wrote:


EVIL INC, you have already made up your mind about those posters and have preconceived notions.

So which one is it? Are you still wondering why people complain if they don't like something?

I do not know these posters so I do not presume to know anything about them. Definitely not enough to come up with preconcieved notions. I I felt I already knew the answer to a question, I would not have asked it.
i also notice that you are purposely asking a question that is unrelated to the subject matter at hand. Not a single person is wondering why people complain. You are well aware of this. I am wondering why they feel the need to spam their complaints. spam them in threads that do not have anything to do with what they are complaining about. To purposely hijack and derail threads in order to make them about their complaints.
As a mod and admin on other forums over the years, i can sympathize with the mods here for having to put up with it and I give them props for being so lenient and understanding in allowing it. Thats a lot more hassle than they should have to deal with.


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 heartserenade wrote:

That's an insult? Wow. You must be really fun at parties. Should I "report" you as well for calling posters "stalkers"?

If I had singled you out specifically, yes. However, i did not. i am talking about the behavior and not any particuler people.

 heartserenade wrote:



Yeah, calling them stalkers who just want to makeother people unhappy because they're unhappy is not putting them at fault. Totally.

If you're going to mention logic, please use it. Please. I'm begging you.

not once have i called anyone a stalker. Can you site the names of the members i did? No, This is because I have not. Not even once. Again, I am talking about a behavior. Now were i to go into every single thread on the forum and start spamming posts about butterflies and guppies, would you wonder why i was doing so? This is the same exact thing, Some are doing that and spamming posts that are just as off topic as that and I am wondering why. I apologive, if you do not see the logic in that.

 heartserenade wrote:

I'm wondering why complain about the complaining thus creating more complaining?

This is actually valid.
I feel that simply wondering or asking a question is not really complaining. Even if it was, you do not see me spamming it in each and every thread on the forum though do you? It is here in this little thread which will likely be locked anyway, but it allowed me to get a few answers and to find out that I am far from alone on the topic. That would satisfy me perfectly without having to derail every thread here.

 heartserenade wrote:


EVIL INC, you have already made up your mind about those posters and have preconceived notions.

So which one is it? Are you still wondering why people complain if they don't like something?

I do not know these posters so I do not presume to know anything about them. Definitely not enough to come up with preconcieved notions. I I felt I already knew the answer to a question, I would not have asked it.
i also notice that you are purposely asking a question that is unrelated to the subject matter at hand. Not a single person is wondering why people complain. You are well aware of this. I am wondering why they feel the need to spam their complaints. spam them in threads that do not have anything to do with what they are complaining about. To purposely hijack and derail threads in order to make them about their complaints.
As a mod and admin on other forums over the years, i can sympathize with the mods here for having to put up with it and I give them props for being so lenient and understanding in allowing it. Thats a lot more hassle than they should have to deal with.

Iron_Captain. You are correct.
fishy bob, Notice that we are not addressing constructive critisism. that is good and has it's place. We are addressing the smmed hate and vitriol. They are two very seperate things.

Oh, so you're pretending to not know. Gotcha.

Not a single person is wondering why people complain.

i made the thread in hopes of wondering why this mentyality would occurr.

I like how you contradict yourself.

If I had singled you out specifically, yes. However, i did not. i am talking about the behavior and not any particuler people.

"Well, I think people who make threads like this are ignorant and narrow-minded, not to mention full of themselves and they also like having sex with animals. I'm not singling you out, mind you, but the people who think like that, yeah, totally they're into animals. But I didn't mention any names so I didn't attack anyone so it's okay."

"I think Filipinos are a bunch of stinky people, and they're super racist and ugly. But I didn't mention anyone specifically so I didn't insult anyone so totally don't report me."

Running by your logic, those statements are perfectly fine and I'm not attacking or offending anyone at all!

See how stupid that sounds?

I do not know these posters so I do not presume to know anything about them. Definitely not enough to come up with preconcieved notions. I I felt I already knew the answer to a question, I would not have asked it.

If you "felt" you already knew the answer, you shouldn't have put your preconceived notions in the first freaking post. If saying "From all appearances it looks as though there are a lot of players who hate 40k and are only doing their best to convince others to hate it as well. This is not good for the hobby, the gaming industry as a whole and not good for yourself or the people you are trying to "turn'." is not a preconceived notion, then the earth is rectangular, humans are actually birds and Nicholas Cage is actually pretty decent in Ghost Rider.

I apologive, if you do not see the logic in that.

I'd tell you the same thing, only I'll spell "apologize" correctly.

Whoa! I acturally got an answer to OP's topic that is contructive! Here it goes....

First of all, you need to know the majority of people in this fourms have played 40K/Fantasy from GW. GW games are still for most participated game in the wargaming industry, so any action that relates to these games you will see far more people talking about it compaired to newer wargames like Malifaux or Warmachine.

Second, people complains when changes occur. This happens in all aspects of life. People complain when taxes are raised, their favourite TV show takes a new direction from the last season, or one of the sport teams just got a lot of money and brought the best alethlets and made the whole sport 'unfair'.

GW for the last 4 years have been making the most unflavorible changes to its gaming structure. from constant prices increases to unclear rules to broken rules from lack to playtesting. GW has made so much unjustified changes to its games these past few years it gave it largest playerbase a lot to complain about, hence why you see so much complaints on dakka.

Other game compaines don't have as much complaints simply because the player base is much smaller than GW and these other games make less changes to their state of the game. Take a look at Maliflux when moved to 2nd edition, there are complaints from people who played 1st ed, its just that these people are few compaired to people who play GW.

The third point is invested interest, this mainly tied to with amount of money you already spent on the game. Back with the Maliflux example, those people who dislike 2nd edition will likely to drop the game to play something else. It is easy because the cost of models, rules, terrain, and game aids are inexpensive. I bought 2 starter sets and a rulebook and 2 deck of cards for about $110CAD. Most GW players have at least spent $1000 for their models/rules/terrians. So when you spend thousands of dollers on something you like then found out the rules changed so much that you lose your initial interest in the game you will complain even more furiously in the forums, either venting or looking for answers to these new changes.

My fourth and final point is that complaining means the player still loves the game at heart. They dislike the current changes and is seeking for solutions. For people such as myself, I used to complain a lot as well when prices increase and my Blood Angels Assault army and my Dark Angels army where nerfed to a points it is auto lose if I play with the current meta unless I spend thousands to dollars again to build a more competitive build. I tired to chase the dream but GW constant changes made me releaised there is no end to my problem. Either I buy buy buy with every new rulesset release or I am always at a disadvantage. So I don't complain and decided to move on to other wargames.

 heartserenade wrote:
Oh, so you're pretending to not know. Gotcha.

Not a single person is wondering why people complain.

i made the thread in hopes of wondering why this mentyality would occurr.

I like how you contradict yourself.

no contradiction there at all. the first is a statement that no one is wondering why people complain.. the second is about a mentality that causes someone to do something else. that something else not actually being the complaining. Apples and orages. Gotcha, so your pretending to not know the difference.

 heartserenade wrote:

If I had singled you out specifically, yes. However, i did not. i am talking about the behavior and not any particuler people.

"Well, I think people who make threads like this are ignorant and narrow-minded, not to mention full of themselves and they also like having sex with animals. I'm not singling you out, mind you, but the people who think like that, yeah, totally they're into animals. But I didn't mention any names so I didn't attack anyone so it's okay."

"I think Filipinos are a bunch of stinky people, and they're super racist and ugly. But I didn't mention anyone specifically so I didn't insult anyone so totally don't report me."

Running by your logic, those statements are perfectly fine and I'm not attacking or offending anyone at all!

See how stupid that sounds?

Re-read that and you will see that it does indeed sound stupid.To address a behavior that is displayed is one thing To compare that to a bigoted statement towards a very specific nationality is another. again, apples and oranges. to specifically target a single person which sexually explicit phrases on a "family oriented' forum in an effort to discredit them is reportable and will most likely get the thread closed (your intention anyway).

I do not know these posters so I do not presume to know anything about them. Definitely not enough to come up with preconcieved notions. I I felt I already knew the answer to a question, I would not have asked it.

If you "felt" you already knew the answer, you shouldn't have put your preconceived notions in the first freaking post. If saying "From all appearances it looks as though there are a lot of players who hate 40k and are only doing their best to convince others to hate it as well. This is not good for the hobby, the gaming industry as a whole and not good for yourself or the people you are trying to "turn'." is not a preconceived notion, then the earth is rectangular, humans are actually birds and Nicholas Cage is actually pretty decent in Ghost Rider.

If it bothers you so much to see criticism about a game you clearly find no faults with, then feel free to skip them.

Have you read the thread at all? i find a lot of faults with the game. Oh wait, you purposely worded it that way to instigate an argument lol
I usally do skip them, having to sift through page after page of them gets old. As you can see, I am FAR from the first and far from the only person to notice this. i'm sure the mods see a lot more of it than the rest of us and I gotta give them props on working with it.
the answer is, you cant just skip over them without at least reading far enough to see what it is. many of these posters also make posts that are actually on topic on occasion as well. Sometimes, they even offer actual constructive critisism or make valid points that are even on topic. that means you can just skip their posts by seeing their name either.
To be honest, it is not that big a deal, I was only asking out of curiousity to see if I was thonly one to notice it or wonder about it. As you have seen, many of us feel the same way and wonder. Also to see what insights others might have as to the reasoning behind the behavior. Again, remember the complaining is not the behavior being addressed at all but rather the spamming of it willy nilly in each and every thread.