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 Moridan wrote:
The rule difference here is with regards to Monstrous Creatures. Look there.

Any chance you can be less cryptic?

What "rules difference", in 6th edition, exists with MCs? ICs have one page, page 39, and that describes the sum of their allowances and restrictions when joining units.

 Moridan wrote:
The rule difference here is with regards to Monstrous Creatures. Look there.

There's literally no difference between MCs and non-MCs as far as ICs are concerned.

Mephiston is as unjoinable as a C'Tan.

I think it's legal, just not the intention. Which explains Tau's current dominance somewhat.

I'd love a FAQ one way or the other though.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Riptides are units of a SINGLE model, the difference is that they can buy drones.

Crisis teams are units of SINGLE models, the difference is that they can gain more Crisis suits and Drones.

Broadside Teams are units of SINGLE models, the difference is that they can gain more Broadside suits and Drones.

Obliterators are units of SINGLE models, the difference is that they can gain more Obliterators.

Drones are strange and shouldn't count, because if only drones are left the unit is considered killed and some other strangeness that makes them not count as part of the unit (such as ICs with drones can still join units etc). However it doesn't explicitly say that drones don't count for the purposes of not being a single model unit, therefore you get to join your commander. If they FAQ ANYTHING at all at this point I would be happy, so don't hold your breath for this to get FAQ'd one way or another.

Kisada II wrote:
Drones are strange and shouldn't count, because if only drones are left the unit is considered killed and some other strangeness that makes them not count as part of the unit (such as ICs with drones can still join units etc). However it doesn't explicitly say that drones don't count for the purposes of not being a single model unit, therefore you get to join your commander. If they FAQ ANYTHING at all at this point I would be happy, so don't hold your breath for this to get FAQ'd one way or another.

This topic has been a hot mess for players for almost a whole year. It's hard to imagine that they will FAQ this at all. It took them less than a month to come out with an FAQ to allow Crisis Suits to equip two of the same weapon, but yet this remains unchanged.

Kisada II wrote:
Drones are strange and shouldn't count, because if only drones are left the unit is considered killed and some other strangeness that makes them not count as part of the unit (such as ICs with drones can still join units etc). However it doesn't explicitly say that drones don't count for the purposes of not being a single model unit, therefore you get to join your commander. If they FAQ ANYTHING at all at this point I would be happy, so don't hold your breath for this to get FAQ'd one way or another.

Most of that is incorrect.

A riptide that has died with 2 drones will still be a unit of 2 drones(and still be a riptide unit if that were to matter, it does in the case of a Fire warrior unit that is reduced to just 2 drones, it can still be joined by a fireblade)

ICs with drones have a special allowance to still join and leave units, but that is a special rule(the only special rule drones really have), and an IC with drones that Dies has his Drones still operate and his unit is not destroyed until the drones are destroyed

Kisada II wrote:
because if only drones are left the unit is considered killed

Incorrect.

and some other strangeness that makes them not count as part of the unit (such as ICs with drones can still join units etc).

Incorrect. They are part of the unit. Perhaps you should read the rules for drones as to why your parenthetical is allowed.

rigeld2 wrote:

Kisada II wrote:
because if only drones are left the unit is considered killed

Incorrect.

Sorry that shouldn't have been a blanked statement as it only applies to vehicles and ICs, reference section right after the army listings "the characters unit has, for the purposes of victory points, been destroyed" , something similar for vehicles

rigeld2 wrote:

and some other strangeness that makes them not count as part of the unit (such as ICs with drones can still join units etc).

Incorrect. They are part of the unit. Perhaps you should read the rules for drones as to why your parenthetical is allowed.

When the IC joins the unit the drones are no longer part of the IC's unit and become part of the unit joined, and read above "the character's unit has been destroyed" so clearly they are not counted as part of it for some purposes.

We'll the TO informed me it will not be allowed, for game balance reasons.

But that it's perfectly fine to take o'vesa and attach a commander to him.

Which does the exact same thing.

Meaning it's not a game balance issue at all, because this ruling puts the combo back into the game.

So the ruling is completely arbitrary.

Oh well. Can't expect everything to actually have a good reason.

It slightly nerfs it since you can't join both of them to a second riptide giving both riptides the buff commander bonus.