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UltraPrime wrote:
Interestingly, the wording og the Tyrannic War Veterans dataslate says it can be taken when facing a force that contains Tyranid models. Take that as you will.

Wait, so my 'nids could take Tyrannic War Veterans if I'm playing against 'nids?
(who could in turn take Tyrannic War Veterans...?)

Thats how I'm understanding it...

Update on the GW Digital blog, with a little bit more info:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Vanguard-of-the-Leviathan_.html

Not sure where you got that idea? The only thing I can see that is saying anything close to that is their Avenge the Fallen 1st special rule, which only works if the opponent is Tyranids.

So we can make a full vanguard army? ok GW you have my attention, don't feth it up this time.

BL Digital have done a blog post today about this, doesn't look like it's been linked ITT yet.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Vanguard-of-the-Leviathan_.html

*edit* It's right there, Bull0, open your eyes!

Anyway, this looks interesting. Still no nid expert but can a nid expert tell me if this casts any light on the rumours that this is all content cut from 5E codex nids?

 Bull0 wrote:
BL Digital have done a blog post today about this, doesn't look like it's been linked ITT yet.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Vanguard-of-the-Leviathan_.html

*edit* It's right there, Bull0, open your eyes!

Anyway, this looks interesting. Still no nid expert but can a nid expert tell me if this casts any light on the rumours that this is all content cut from 5E codex nids?

Unfortunately there is no way to tell. The best we can hope for from 5th in this dataslate is Ymgarls, although I imagine they will have their move+assault omitted. I mean, it's possible they'll make it crazily overpowered and give the GSHunting Packs the ability to assault from their infil positions or something, but I doubt it. To be honest, lictors/dleaper/GS were hardly used, so there's really not a lot to expect; however, if the DSlate makes GS+BL groups cheaper and more sturdy (shrouded on turn they come in? who knows), I might consider them a strong contender for a troopFOC in standard lists.

The one thing I was worried about was having to take additional FoC slots (i.e. troops, HQ) if I use one of these slates (i.e. I'd like for the genestealers to be my require troop choice). It sounds like that will be possible with these three.

These formations don't use up a FOC slot. They are basically an allied detachment that doesn't use up your normal allies detachment allowance.

 airmang wrote:
These formations don't use up a FOC slot. They are basically an allied detachment that doesn't use up your normal allies detachment allowance.

How do you know? Was this in the link and I must have just missed it

citadel wrote:

 airmang wrote:
These formations don't use up a FOC slot. They are basically an allied detachment that doesn't use up your normal allies detachment allowance.

How do you know? Was this in the link and I must have just missed it

It's a standard rule for Dataslates.

citadel wrote:

 airmang wrote:
These formations don't use up a FOC slot. They are basically an allied detachment that doesn't use up your normal allies detachment allowance.

How do you know? Was this in the link and I must have just missed it

Because that's how all formations have worked thus far. They cost points, but no FOC slots.

UltraPrime wrote:

citadel wrote:

 airmang wrote:
These formations don't use up a FOC slot. They are basically an allied detachment that doesn't use up your normal allies detachment allowance.

How do you know? Was this in the link and I must have just missed it

It's a standard rule for Dataslates.

For Formations yes, but Dataslates can also contain rules for new units regular FOC slots, like the Tyrannic War Veterans or Be'Lakor.

 azreal13 wrote:

citadel wrote:

 airmang wrote:
These formations don't use up a FOC slot. They are basically an allied detachment that doesn't use up your normal allies detachment allowance.

How do you know? Was this in the link and I must have just missed it

Because that's how all formations have worked thus far. They cost points, but no FOC slots.

The next section contains five new Datasheet formations that give you new ways to use your Tyranids collection in games of Warhammer 40,000. These are primarily aimed at allowing you to represent the insidious tactics of Leviathan’s vanguard attacks against Satys. However, you could just as easily use them alongside your standard Tyranids detatchment, or even use them exclusively to create a super-sneaky army of Tyranid stealth specialists (they came out of the trees!).

This tells me that it wont necessarily be like that,

The "they came from the trees!" line has me doubling down on expecting Ymgarls. It sounds like it might be referring to their "Dormant" rule for deployment, plus the fact that one of the missions specifically calls attention to the kind of terrain on the table.

Ymgarls would deploy in an unannounced piece of terrain previously, and essentially "pop out" if something got close.

UltraPrime wrote:
Interestingly, the wording og the Tyrannic War Veterans dataslate says it can be taken when facing a force that contains Tyranid models. Take that as you will.

'cause of this and how it's written, I'm scavenging some of my brothers old sternguard he doesn't use, placing adrenal glands over their heads and claiming them as the brain slugs that control people, like the ones from futurama, ergo I had space marines in my tyranid force!

however that can be only when facing other tyranids cause of the word "facing"

UltraPrime wrote:
Interestingly, the wording og the Tyrannic War Veterans dataslate says it can be taken when facing a force that contains Tyranid models. Take that as you will.

 Redemption wrote:
Not sure where you got that idea? The only thing I can see that is saying anything close to that is their Avenge the Fallen 1st special rule, which only works if the opponent is Tyranids.

I'm unable to see anything that says any army facing 'Nids can take the formation. There's just the special rule that kicks in if you're facing 'Nids, as Redemption points out. A shame, as my 1KSons need more fancy bolter rounds to play with .

prankster wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:
Interestingly, the wording og the Tyrannic War Veterans dataslate says it can be taken when facing a force that contains Tyranid models. Take that as you will.

 Redemption wrote:
Not sure where you got that idea? The only thing I can see that is saying anything close to that is their Avenge the Fallen 1st special rule, which only works if the opponent is Tyranids.

I'm unable to see anything that says any army facing 'Nids can take the formation. There's just the special rule that kicks in if you're facing 'Nids, as Redemption points out. A shame, as my 1KSons need more fancy bolter rounds to play with .

Sorry, my wording was paraphrasing, and I seem to have given the wrong impression. I didn't mean to imply that you can only use the formation when fighting 'Nids. The point I tried, but failed, to make was that it states "...if the enemy army includes one or more models from Codex: Tyranids.", implying that an enemy army will have the option to include 'Nids.

Could just have been for Apocalypse games, where you can mix and match armies to your hearth's desire.

Personally I'd hold off buying these until all three are released as they are bound to release them as a bundle, I'm not certain that they'll discount the bundle though.

Do we know what paranoia and ill discipline are yet?

It makes enemy units use their lowest LD instead of the highest one.

 Tyran wrote:
It makes enemy units use their lowest LD instead of the highest one.

That sounds like ill discipline...is paranoia a separate rule?

TBH I have no idea.

So deathleaper lowers a character's LD by D3 and then you can force the unit to have to use that LD?

Nice..

 Tyran wrote:
It makes enemy units use their lowest LD instead of the highest one.

That is a really nice idea for a rule. Simple and makes immediate sense.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
It makes enemy units use their lowest LD instead of the highest one.

That is a really nice idea for a rule. Simple and makes immediate sense.

And the actual verbiage is lifted straight out of deathleapers fluff...where it talks about soldiers jumping at mere sounds and no longer shooting disciplined volleys...I am getting myself one more lictor..I have five.

So no Genestealer Cult list then. BAR STEWARDS!!!

Cult would require several new models, not going to happen for a dataslate unless they suddenly start selling a lot of dataslates.

There is nothing to say there won't be rules for Genestealer cults when the new IG codex is dropped, be it via dataslate or in WD weekly. In fact, if it was in WD weekly, then it would be a huge boost for a product some people are unsure of, and Cult army rules are still very popular wistlisted items....