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 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Am I reading it right : you cant get the emporer dragon unless you pledge the highest level?

Gold level pledge $160 gives you a choice of any current Dragon

Highest level gets you all current demons (4 of em) and both Dragons at $585 (CAD)

Also:

spend 700+ total, get 1 free bronze model
spend 850+ total, get another free model (silver)
spend 1000+ total, get yet another free model (gold)

I was wondering if I could just pledge for the dragon.

Gotcha. Thanks.

Don't get carried away with the KickTraq stuff. The projections assume the same pledge level every day.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Don't get carried away with the KickTraq stuff. The projections assume the same pledge level every day.

Quite, also, with the cancelled first attempt, the continuous comms and well publicised launch date, while an outstanding success by any yardstick already, the odds are this project is going to have a very weird shape.

So it looks like I missed the EBs by selfishly sleeping overnight. No pressure to pledge now then, though I'm looking most likely to go for the Creature Bundle, I'd like to see a bit more info on shipping first - like some actual ballpark numbers.

 basement.dweller wrote:
While I like the alt spider head a lot I keep seeing an elongated smiley ehad on account of the 2 front eyes.
I think 6 eyes are sexier and more menacing like the quick photoshop to the right:

I know I'm a few pages late, but I prefer the layout of the 6-eyes. Perhaps keeping 8 eyes but having the last two grouped with the clusters of three, to avoid the long smileyface that I now can't unsee...

 basement.dweller wrote:

Also:
spend 700+ total, get 1 free bronze model
spend 850+ total, get another free model (silver)
spend 1000+ total, get yet another free model (gold)

I admit though - this makes me concerned. Both in terms of how many models I'll want to get from this campaign, and also in hoping that the campaign doesn't over-extend itself with too many models to produce and then blow up the fulfilment date. I'd rather see the campaign with only 6 models and ship on time than add another 6 or 10 or 12 and ship in Jan, or Feb, or June.... and we so well know the way it goes by now... even "well prepared" campaigns get overwhelmed. Wasn't the Mierce Wave 0 supposed to ship in Dec/Jan? And now it's shipped in April instead?

Well you wanted an idea for how to make the ancient dragon look venerable. How about instead of a big rock for the base like the other models, have the ancient dragon mounted on a dead rival? Or a stash of valuables, gold, jewels, swords, shields but no skulls as those are trademarked. Unless it's another dragons skull crushed and beaten in battle, a grand souvenir of a former rival or top dog( er.....dragon)

 Azazelx wrote:
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I admit though - this makes me concerned. Both in terms of how many models I'll want to get from this campaign, and also in hoping that the campaign doesn't over-extend itself with too many models to produce and then blow up the fulfilment date. I'd rather see the campaign with only 6 models and ship on time than add another 6 or 10 or 12 and ship in Jan, or Feb, or June.... and we so well know the way it goes by now... even "well prepared" campaigns get overwhelmed. Wasn't the Mierce Wave 0 supposed to ship in Dec/Jan? And now it's shipped in April instead?

Did you just pull off that rarest of rare Azazelx moves - the pre-emptive pledge pull?!?

The thing is that Jeremy seems very keen to keep them on WFB-friendly bases, so that would probably be a difficult thing to pull off.

 Spellbound wrote:

And then there's the dragons. My chaos army doesn't yet have a dragon for my chaos lord - though this isn't two-headed, so it's still not quiiiiite right...

There is a multi headed dragon silhouette in the video

Azazel- That last quote is referring to how much an individual backer spends, not the number of sculpts in the campaign. There are only 6 right now, and I'd be shocked if there were more than a dozen by the end. There have only been hints of a tree creature, a few more dragons, and a few plague demons... despite how much I want to see a golem, they seem to be sticking to what they've already finished (or close to it) which is very good for fulfillment timelines.




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Also Creature Caster, you may want to edit the campaign link into the OP of this thread, particularly for folks who log back on Monday to check things and won't have seen the previous few pages where it was posted:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeremyglen/creature-caster-first-wave

This is humming right along, I'm quite sure I'll wake up to the first unlocked extra part for the sixth model in the morning... maybe even before I go to bed, depending on how late I'm up

 RiTides wrote:

Azazel- That last quote is referring to how much an individual backer spends, not the number of sculpts in the campaign. There are only 6 right now, and I'd be shocked if there were more than a dozen by the end. There have only been hints of a tree creature, a few more dragons, and a few plague demons... despite how much I want to see a golem, they seem to be sticking to what they've already finished (or close to it) which is very good for fulfillment timelines.

You're misunderstanding my point. The "all-in" pledge right now is just under CA$500. If Jeremy is planning for pledges of $700-1k from individuals, then I'm concerned that there are a LOT more models planned for stretch goals - and as such - a real danger of the campaign blowing out by another 3-6 months. Something that makes this campaign more attractive to me right now is the limited scope and fast turnaround. While you might call me a fethwit for expecting the fulfilment on a KS to be something near what it says on the tin, the more limited a campaign is, the more chance it has of actually meeting those goals...

 Alpharius wrote:

Did you just pull off that rarest of rare Azazelx moves - the pre-emptive pledge pull?!?

Hah, you're behind. I did that already with that recent Weird-WW2 game that all but admitted on day 2 or whatever that their fulfilment date was optimistic at best. They're getting Panda who is part of the recently-delayed-by-8-12-months Incursion campaign to do their models, so expect at least an extra year for that one.

This campaign, I'm very interested in going all-out in. With the EBs gone, I'm just going to play it cautiously - or as other posters in other threads would call it - "selfishly" by waiting to see how the shipping pans out and what happens with stretch goals and additional models before "going in as early and as big as possible" pledging $500+ in a KS-hyped frenzy of excitement.

Well, as I stated above, I'd be shocked if more than 12 models were offered, based on everything CreatureCaster has previewed and hinted at (with everything else being shunted to "perhaps in a later campaign"). That could easily put a pledge into that price range, though, for folks who want one of everything (whether to paint, collect, re-sell some, etc). From what I've seen they're being pretty conservative in what they're offering- it's about to break 90K, and no new models have been added to produce- only additional free parts for the existing models, which is a really smart idea for stretch goals, imo.

Totally justified fears when it comes to campaigns that overstretch.

Under promise and over deliver is my mantra in this campaign. The models that will be offer as stretch goals are already in development, and will have 100 percent focus upon the campaign's end.

Plus, there simply will not be THAT many models added as additional models that we must complete in the same time it takes to ship everything. There will probably only be three, maybe four models added, and that is all.

First week is lots of unlocked exclusive parts to add value to the models you already got.

Second week is adding the stretch goal models PLUS their own parts.

Third week is new bundles which include the new models, and maybe even some bundles with some extra special gifts included.

Ambassadors, you are amazing, and thank you. So glad to be here on Dakka with you all as this thing goes down. The initial burst has not phased me from my original goal of making a campaign that surpasses expectations by being realistic, honest and passionate.

Oh, and here is a link to a youtube vid I did, which is sort of a commentary on the comment section. Has some Q and A pertaining to some points brought up here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNk3iwfQvw8&feature=youtu.be

Jeremy, thank you for all you cool designs and the great communications you've had with the kickstarter. I hav bought your models when you owned ultraforge and was sad to hear it when you sold he company . But looks like all is good now with the kickstarter.

Only one thing concerns me.......GET SOME SLEEP we want you to live through this and there's more excitement to be had tomorrow. Just think how much fun it will be to wake up and see the numbers then instead o just sitting and hitting F5. Get some rest, refresh, and one up with more great ideas for KS2.

Good to hear, Jeremy. I probably won't back until the final days, since the campaign is using Canadian dollars and Kickstarter's lack of competent security has already caused me to need to have one card reissued. I'd definitely be interested in seeing how the updated all-in bundles look - though I'm not so keen on the concept of a tree(wo)man - so perhaps allowing some trade-ins worked out by model category could work?

(Anyone got a pic of the early treewoman concept they can link? I missed it first time around).

I was on board for this (Creature Bundle) but when we were approaching $100k and still no stretch goals announced and only some 'rewards' of spare alternate parts I reckoned this is more a pre-order sale than a kickstarter (unfortunately following many others in the figure gaming genre). I should say that in principle there is nothing wrong with this IMO, but nothing worth following as everything is already planned out.

The delay in stretch goals does amaze me, especially as only another 3 or 4 more additional figures will be released as stretch goals no matter what the funding levels achieved are. My guess is that next week when Jeremy announces the 'stretch goals' they will be add-ons and spaced at about every $250k. Makes me wonder though what were the plans if instead of being at $100k within the first day they were only at $50k after the first week, would then the stretch goals have been at every $50k or $100k? Of course we will never know. But it just left me bewildered as to why I should back the kickstarter, although of course many hundreds have, so therefore I am the unusual one here! (Seem to have heard that many times before! )

Good luck to Jeremy, absolutely nothing wrong with the demons at all, in fact I love the look of 5 out of the 6 (which is a pretty good strike rate) and will undoubtedly buy those ones post-kickstarter at retail some time in the future.

Only real question is will this kickstarter approach, reach, or breach the $1million barrier?

@Azazel - I am sorry for spoiling it for you

I figured it out though - It's not the eyes, It's the mouth! It makes it look like a starfish demon and way too cute
In order not to spoil it for anyone else - I've hidden the image with a rough rendition of mandibles in place.
I am sure Jeremy could make some jawsome mandibles.

@Jeremy - I am thoroughly enjoying all the updates and videos - I think you are doing a great job with KS. It feels very personal and up close.

I was on board for this (Creature Bundle) but when we were approaching $100k and still no stretch goals announced and only some 'rewards' of spare alternate parts I reckoned this is more a pre-order sale than a kickstarter (unfortunately following many others in the figure gaming genre). I should say that in principle there is nothing wrong with this IMO, but nothing worth following as everything is already planned out.

The delay in stretch goals does amaze me, especially as only another 3 or 4 more additional figures will be released as stretch goals no matter what the funding levels achieved are. My guess is that next week when Jeremy announces the 'stretch goals' they will be add-ons and spaced at about every $250k. Makes me wonder though what were the plans if instead of being at $100k within the first day they were only at $50k after the first week, would then the stretch goals have been at every $50k or $100k? Of course we will never know. But it just left me bewildered as to why I should back the kickstarter, although of course many hundreds have, so therefore I am the unusual one here! (Seem to have heard that many times before! )

Good luck to Jeremy, absolutely nothing wrong with the demons at all, in fact I love the look of 5 out of the 6 (which is a pretty good strike rate) and will undoubtedly buy those ones post-kickstarter at retail some time in the future.

Only real question is will this kickstarter approach, reach, or breach the $1million barrier?

I am glad this was brought up.

Look, between us here and the rest of the world..... all of my parts and models are going to be released during this campaign.... and I am going to run out. I could assign a target number and a silhouette on a pledge map that has been painted like a dungeons or a castle.... but that does not change the fact that all the parts are going in. I could get greedy and overstretch, but everyone knows I am not doing this. Putting an arbitrary number or silhouette on a map does not change anything. It is pure sales, it is a dangling carrot, and it is not in my character to use these strategies.

... and I am the one of the first to do this, so I totally understand if one were to be confuse by this.

In Kingdom Death, Adam silhouetted the next unlock, and this was pretty cool and in my opinion is an intelligent and honest way to approach it. I went a step further,a nd went purley for the suprise. EXACT same thing, only no silhouette.

If I were to have numbers and silhouettes going FAR into the millions.... that would be me overstretching. The items on this campaign are finite, and are based on their level of done'ness, not greed.

Not drawing the silhouette and number for the next goal was a concious choice on my part, because it is my way of saying that this is no more or less a pre-order because of a single silhouette. Adam Poots was the first to implement this style of honesty, and I am basically the next step.

CBRFigs wrote:
But it just left me bewildered as to why I should back the kickstarter, although of course many hundreds have, so therefore I am the unusual one here!

Why should you back it? Because it offers a product you want, at the price you want, nothing more. Stretch goals, unlocks, bonuses, etc., are completely irrelevant as there is never a guarantee they will all be met. If you do not want the product, as is, then do not back the project. That is what Kickstarter is all about.

Exactly. This is to launch a company that makes far more minis than are in this current lineup.

CBRFigs wrote:
I was on board for this (Creature Bundle) but when we were approaching $100k and still no stretch goals announced and only some 'rewards' of spare alternate parts I reckoned this is more a pre-order sale than a kickstarter (unfortunately following many others in the figure gaming genre). I should say that in principle there is nothing wrong with this IMO, but nothing worth following as everything is already planned out.

The delay in stretch goals does amaze me, especially as only another 3 or 4 more additional figures will be released as stretch goals no matter what the funding levels achieved are. My guess is that next week when Jeremy announces the 'stretch goals' they will be add-ons and spaced at about every $250k. Makes me wonder though what were the plans if instead of being at $100k within the first day they were only at $50k after the first week, would then the stretch goals have been at every $50k or $100k? Of course we will never know. But it just left me bewildered as to why I should back the kickstarter, although of course many hundreds have, so therefore I am the unusual one here! (Seem to have heard that many times before! )

Good luck to Jeremy, absolutely nothing wrong with the demons at all, in fact I love the look of 5 out of the 6 (which is a pretty good strike rate) and will undoubtedly buy those ones post-kickstarter at retail some time in the future.

Only real question is will this kickstarter approach, reach, or breach the $1million barrier?

It's not a "stretch goal freebie" type campaign. That's ok. It appears that it's to get the models into production and the business off the ground, while giving a discount. I'm hoping that we don't have to play the "stretch goal" game and drop the pretense once enough money to cover the production of the additional figures, etc is reached. With 3x the funding for the initial 6 models sorted, I'd hope it's soon.

Just missed out on the Early Bird bronze yesterday (had to fill in my card details which cost me time) but am stoked to finally be able to pledge money for an awesome sculpt (I must have a Spider Demon!).

I do have one question though, is it possible to see larger images of the unlockables? In particular I'm curious about the Tongue Sword unlocked for the Spider Demon, I'd love to see the details but the unlock image is too small.

Thank you for making such wonderful sculpts available ^^

As I stated Jeremy is doing nothing wrong here, indeed in many ways it could be argued that he is being more 'up front' with this kickstarter than many creators are (here I was going to use the word 'honest' but thought better on reflection because it would imply others were 'dis-honest' and the term could be misunderstood and taken out of context).

I have just edited this post as I think it is not an appropriate place for the discussion that was talked about. My apologies to those who read the post before I edited it.

CBRFigs, your posts look fine to me. But while many campaigns "unlock" later waves of minis when they go beyond expectations, this one is just going to launch a later campaign for those.

Personally, I like this strategy and hope it catches on a bit, resulting in more "on time" campaigns that stay within their original scope... and thus, within their delivery schedule!

I think this is a fascinating topic by the way. It really represents where the world is at in terms of their understanding of crowd sourcing.

3) With no forward announcement of production cost targets or for associated stretch goals (in this case the new figures) the promised stretch goal announcements become nothing than a retail advertising campaign

I have to respectfully disagree, my campaign is very very essence of a crowd sourcing campaign. The reason why I do not announce how much money I need is because: I have enough money. I already hit my target. All remaining stretch goal models and part upgrades WILL be released to the campaign, and time is now the deciding factor, not money. At this point, putting a map graphic, a silhouette, and an arbitrary number associated with things I feel is insulting to the collective intelligence of my backers.

The reason why my campaign looks like a pre order is due to my over-cautious stance. My models are overly-developed. My company is overly-thought out, because I am over-careful that everything is going to fulfil quickly and in a satisfying way. I understand that this campaign then takes on the look of a pre-order, but it only looks that way because I dont sleep. I is pure crowd sourcing and community building.

All profit past this point actually cuts into my MSRP sales for down the road. I have a personal interest in deliberately modest campaigns. I dunno, this really makes me a freak compared to the Reapers of the world

Having said that, this dialogue is extremely fascinating to me CBRFigs and I really do respect your need for authenticity and intention in a campaign. I do as well, I think I just went about it in a slightly counter-intuitive manner with the high levels of development I had before launching.

I should learn to look which thread I'm replying to.

With all that said, if you did decide to release a golem in this one, I wouldn't say no . But if the cautious approach means I really will receive my demon in 2014 as predicted, I will be very happy!

For something like hand cast resin, fulfilling in volume can actually be harder, and not really cheaper, than fulfilling a small amount (unlike plastic). Will you be having to add extra casting capacity / help given the numbers you're seeing here? Is there a point where the volume would make the delivery date slip despite not adding too many new designs? I wish Kickstarter would let creators make a reward level limited after launching for just this reason. It looks silly to limit November delivery of a reward to 500 backers if only 100 join the campaign. But once you've blown up, that sometimes helps with fulfillment by staggering for a few months.

With how planned this was I'm betting you have a means to get it all cast in time, but just thinking about this out loud (and a bit in general) here . If this started a trend of campaigns sticking to what they can truly deliver on time, that would be a welcome check to the trend of "minimum 6 months to a year delay" Kickstarters we see so often now!

This is my exact point. The 10k to fund a head is a purely arbitrary number. It is in every Kickstarter. If you got your goal, you should be able to make everything you offer.

In every campaign the goals should be reactive. No one can tell the future. I would not change a thing with my campaign, and I am taken aback every time I see a campaign promise stretch goals at the 100K level when they are struggling to get 2K.


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I would love o do a Google hangout purely dedicated to crowd sourcing philosophy. Would be a great hangout after the project is done.

I was still editing above but I think I got it all in in time . I posted a few questions too, but you might not have the answers to them just yet.

Back to Easter stuff!


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Also, I think the traditional "stretch goal" path makes a lot more sense in campaigns that get quantity discounts, like something being made in hard plastic, or a board game printing run, etc. But this has me thinking as I think for more "boutique" items, this could be a better (and more honest / realistic) route, particularly to stay on-time.

Also also, a single bronze AND silver early bird are currently open!!

Jeremy, you just HAD TO mention a company (naughty - but understandable - and agreed).

I think this discussion could go on indefinitely, and it is not something that should be prolonged from your point of view as your time is extremely valuable at this moment in time concentrating on the kickstarter. (Hence one of the reasons I edited out my last post.)

I do not want people to get the wrong idea here and think I am decrying the Creature Casting kickstarter - I will definitely be buying 5 of the 6 models at retail post November. It is a personal decision as to what 'kickstarters' I back. (I have backed one whereby from the start the creator, a small one man company, said there would be basically no freebies from the start.)

This discussion possibly could (and possibly 'should') be in a thread of its own, unfortunately any such thread at the moment is likely to detract from existing kickstarters.

In closing I will say that I think the prices for the models are indeed very reasonable AND Jeremy has gone about this in some ways that I wish other kickstarter creators would, and this especially applies to having regional distribution centres around the world - a massive '10 out of 10' for that.

Let's leave it there folks. If you are into the genres of Demons and Dragons then this is a good kickstarter with brilliant sculpts, it is just not one I will back but will jump on the figures later at retail for sure.

Jeremy - I would love to take part in a discussion afterward the campaign as well.

Oh yeah, happy Easter.

RiTides (or Tides as I call you on all the video stuff) you should definitely be there in the next Google hangout to demand your golem. We could develop some conversation and silhouette surrounding it. Will happen in few days I am thinking.