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Come on Zombie Dragon!

I'm in for a silver early bird, getting the pincer demon, just posted on the kickstarter that I'm thinking of converting the weapon arm to be holding a giant anchor and chain. The crab look of this guy is just screaming for me to make a maritime army.

Creature caster Jeremy

Would there be the possibility for some armor or something on the spider demons chest, making it a bit more safe for play in shops and clubs.
I don't realy want to be getting a realy nice model an having to potently destroy it to use it.
Also posibly a tail since I wanted to get 2/3 for my demons army's and it would be nice to have more varied features other than a face if posible.

Apple fox wrote:
Creature caster Jeremy

Would there be the possibility for some armor or something on the spider demons chest, making it a bit more safe for play in shops and clubs.
I don't realy want to be getting a realy nice model an having to potently destroy it to use it.
Also posibly a tail since I wanted to get 2/3 for my demons army's and it would be nice to have more varied features other than a face if posible.

Couldn't you just file the nipples down as they're essentially the only part of the breast that people see as NSFW?
I personally like the aesthetic of the naked body as it enhances the H.R Giger influence (Sil from Species comes immediately to mind when looking at the Spider Demon not to mention Giger's work is pretty NSFW and very sexualized). If Jeremy was to provide some armour or chitin like plating as an extra then I'd have no complaint but to alter the model now after taking pledges would be a bad idea as any who pledged based on the current aesthetic may no longer have an interest (and yes even something as minor as changing the chest can be enough to ruin a whole aesthetic).

Foxfyre wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
Creature caster Jeremy

Would there be the possibility for some armor or something on the spider demons chest, making it a bit more safe for play in shops and clubs.
I don't realy want to be getting a realy nice model an having to potently destroy it to use it.
Also posibly a tail since I wanted to get 2/3 for my demons army's and it would be nice to have more varied features other than a face if posible.

Couldn't you just file the nipples down as they're essentially the only part of the breast that people see as NSFW?
I personally like the aesthetic of the naked body as it enhances the H.R Giger influence (Sil from Species comes immediately to mind when looking at the Spider Demon not to mention Giger's work is pretty NSFW and very sexualized). If Jeremy was to provide some armour or chitin like plating as an extra then I'd have no complaint but to alter the model now after taking pledges would be a bad idea as any who pledged based on the current aesthetic may no longer have an interest (and yes even something as minor as changing the chest can be enough to ruin a whole aesthetic).

That's what I will have to do, but would rather something to cover it over also, I don't need the model changed, I think it's fairly good mostly if not for that part. Finding sexulized female demons not hard at all, would like one without a bit also :0
Being that the male ones seem to not need them it kinda just looks a bit out of place.

But something to cover up would be good for what I need
As you say the form can make it look good, but I don't think that adds much at all.

Apple fox wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
Creature caster Jeremy

Would there be the possibility for some armor or something on the spider demons chest, making it a bit more safe for play in shops and clubs.
I don't realy want to be getting a realy nice model an having to potently destroy it to use it.
Also posibly a tail since I wanted to get 2/3 for my demons army's and it would be nice to have more varied features other than a face if posible.

Couldn't you just file the nipples down as they're essentially the only part of the breast that people see as NSFW?
I personally like the aesthetic of the naked body as it enhances the H.R Giger influence (Sil from Species comes immediately to mind when looking at the Spider Demon not to mention Giger's work is pretty NSFW and very sexualized). If Jeremy was to provide some armour or chitin like plating as an extra then I'd have no complaint but to alter the model now after taking pledges would be a bad idea as any who pledged based on the current aesthetic may no longer have an interest (and yes even something as minor as changing the chest can be enough to ruin a whole aesthetic).

That's what I will have to do, but would rather something to cover it over also, I don't need the model changed, I think it's fairly good mostly if not for that part. Finding sexulized female demons not hard at all, would like one without a bit also :0
Being that the male ones seem to not need them it kinda just looks a bit out of place.

But something to cover up would be good for what I need
As you say the form can make it look good, but I don't think that adds much at all.

Couldn't the same complaint be made over the Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets? She has a bare breast with exposed nipple.
It's not simply the sexualization I'm after it's the Giger inspiration (the bio-mechanical corruption) which intrinsically involves a little eroticism. Hell, using Giger as a standard the Spider Demon is insanely tame but comparing the works you can see the inspiration and the reason her nudity is a part of the style.

You know, those are some really good renders of digital sculpts.

I need to figure out how they made that green stuff shader.

Foxfyre wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
Creature caster Jeremy

Would there be the possibility for some armor or something on the spider demons chest, making it a bit more safe for play in shops and clubs.
I don't realy want to be getting a realy nice model an having to potently destroy it to use it.
Also posibly a tail since I wanted to get 2/3 for my demons army's and it would be nice to have more varied features other than a face if posible.

Couldn't you just file the nipples down as they're essentially the only part of the breast that people see as NSFW?
I personally like the aesthetic of the naked body as it enhances the H.R Giger influence (Sil from Species comes immediately to mind when looking at the Spider Demon not to mention Giger's work is pretty NSFW and very sexualized). If Jeremy was to provide some armour or chitin like plating as an extra then I'd have no complaint but to alter the model now after taking pledges would be a bad idea as any who pledged based on the current aesthetic may no longer have an interest (and yes even something as minor as changing the chest can be enough to ruin a whole aesthetic).

That's what I will have to do, but would rather something to cover it over also, I don't need the model changed, I think it's fairly good mostly if not for that part. Finding sexulized female demons not hard at all, would like one without a bit also :0
Being that the male ones seem to not need them it kinda just looks a bit out of place.

But something to cover up would be good for what I need
As you say the form can make it look good, but I don't think that adds much at all.

Couldn't the same complaint be made over the Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets? She has a bare breast with exposed nipple.
It's not simply the sexualization I'm after it's the Giger inspiration (the bio-mechanical corruption) which intrinsically involves a little eroticism. Hell, using Giger as a standard the Spider Demon is insanely tame but comparing the works you can see the inspiration and the reason her nudity is a part of the style.

I don't dislike the spider demon, I have also seen gigers work.
And I honestly don't see that as much from the style.
I would like something to cover up that part so I can take it to clubs and stores to play with.
I also don't own the forgeworld keeper of secrets for the same reason right now.

I'm going to get a spider demon... to represent a greater demon of Slaanesh. Y'know, god of wanton humping? Nipples are the least of my worries.

Apple fox wrote:

I don't dislike the spider demon, I have also seen gigers work.
And I honestly don't see that as much from the style.
I would like something to cover up that part so I can take it to clubs and stores to play with.
I also don't own the forgeworld keeper of secrets for the same reason right now.

I'm sorry, but if you can't see the Giger influence in this model, you haven't looked at enough Giger artwork. Slaanesh is the god of debauchery and hedonism; things are going to have exposed breasts and be sexualized. Seeing as how this is intended to be a pleasure demon and have heavy Giger influence (a man who's art deals very heavily in human anatomy and sexuality), leaving off the nipples would defeat the purpose. It's supposed to look sexy and visually arousing because that's its thing. Besides, the human body is a natural, beautiful part of nature and shouldn't be shamed by having to be covered up all the time. It's also worth mentioning that in ten years of playing 40k and other RPGs, I have never been in a FLGS that had an issue with models like this or would disallow its use. For decades, companies have been making bare-breasted and naked scale models and for decades they have been sold by FLGS's. Heck, even Games Workshop has put out bare-breasted Daemonettes, bare-breasted Dark Elf Gorgon, and the six-breasted Slaaneshi steed model. They're just boobs. If your hobby store is really that upset about a tiny pair of tastefully presented boobs, then you should probably find a new store to play at. If it's that big of an issue for you, then either file the nipples off or get a different model. The artist should not have to alter his vision because a pair of tits upsets you or your hobby store.

Generally speaking though, if boobs are a problem for you, stick to non-Slaaneshi Daemons.

Point's made, maybe you two can continue arguing via PM

Creature Caster posted the next piece is special (replacement for the dragon saddle / howdah?) and will be revealed shortly!

I'm hoping the second extra for the Vulture Daemon is a new variation on the staff. Something along the lines of a mutated staff that looks like it's alive would be pretty cool. Maybe the staff tip could have tentacles wrapped around it or something like that. Some kind of seeing eye glass or fireball for his other hand would be awesome as well.

Or a two headed variant for a Fateweaver counts as?

 Darth Bob wrote:


I'm sorry, but if you can't see the Giger influence in this model, you haven't looked at enough Giger artwork. Slaanesh is the god of debauchery and hedonism; things are going to have exposed breasts and be sexualized. Seeing as how this is intended to be a pleasure demon and have heavy Giger influence (a man who's art deals very heavily in human anatomy and sexuality), leaving off the nipples would defeat the purpose.

Giger's most distinctive stylistic innovation is that of a representation of human bodies and machines in a cold, interconnected relationship, he described as "biomechanical". His paintings often display fetishistic sexual imagery.

There is nothing "Gigeresque" biomechanical about that Lady-Daemon, none of that "Alien-Ship-Aesthetic-Fusion" that defined his most famous creation on screen, none of the fetishistic sexual imagery that defines his explicit works.

A bipedal insect with tits doesn't make a Giger.

 azreal13 wrote:
Or a two headed variant for a Fateweaver counts as?

That'd be cool as well, though I'd imagine that would have to require a pretty big extra piece and/or resculpt to be a reality. But, Jeremy, you should definitely look into this. I'd pay for an entire second model to get a giant two-headed Vulture demon.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Giger's most distinctive stylistic innovation is that of a representation of human bodies and machines in a cold, interconnected relationship, he described as "biomechanical". His paintings often display fetishistic sexual imagery.

There is nothing "Gigeresque" biomechanical about that Lady-Daemon, none of that "Alien-Ship-Aesthetic-Fusion" that defined his most famous creation on screen, none of the fetishistic sexual imagery that defines his explicit works.

A bipedal insect with tits doesn't make a Giger.

I'm going to have to strongly disagree. There's a lot of biomechanical influences in the design of the model; specifically around the design of the head and torso. That being said, as RiTides said, this is probably a topic that should be kept to PM.

 RiTides wrote:
Point's made, maybe you two can continue arguing via PM

Creature Caster posted the next piece is special (replacement for the dragon saddle / howdah?) and will be revealed shortly!

Quoted because obviously they didn't see a MOD telling them to knock it off

He might be able to get rid of the Howdah/saddle, but what about all the straps and stuff. Also I'd want my emperor dragon to have five claws on the hands like a true Chinese emperor dragon

Clearly Giger was an influence (see "Sil"). So is the sculpture of Michelangelo, and it clearly doesn't look like one of his sculpts either.

With my female shapes, I go to lengths to make sure they are not overly sexualized. That might sound weird to a person with more puritanical values, because anything nude is sexualized to them. I however enjoy classical art where almost everyone is nude. Many of us have come to realize that the anatomical components that make something feminine are often the small things like the collarbones, the diameter of the neck, the height of the hips, etc. These things all resonate on a more intangible level.

The Treewoman is very feminine, and is nude. She certainly is not overly sexuality and feels very classical and honest. She does have nipples, tho very subdued. The prominence of the nipples will have more to do with the attention they receive during painting, as opposed to the sculpt.

Seriously guys, about 5 minutes with some greenstuff and you can make her some pasties if it offends you that much.

It's a gorgeous sculpt, change nothing!

 gigasnail wrote:
Seriously guys, about 5 minutes with some greenstuff and you can make her some pasties if it offends you that much.

It's a gorgeous sculpt, change nothing!

Seconded - QFT.

We can totally talk design, I just meant the back and forth on whether they should be "nekkid" or not was played out enough already, as its clearly going to stay as is.


Very interesting reading the design influences posted by creature caster above, including Giger!

Next unlock says "Community Event" with a video apparently coming soon to explain that. Community input for the design of the extra piece, maybe...

 RiTides wrote:

Next unlock says "Community Event" with a video apparently coming soon to explain that. Community input for the design of the extra piece, maybe...

Considering how involved Jeremy's been with the community, this really wouldn't surprise me. That's really one of the things I've loved to much about this campaign is the involvement it's had with community opinions and consumer ideas.

I bring up above since I do like he spider demon, why I was considering getting more than one.
And something to cover her a bit, would be very helpfull as my ability to change it is limited and would detract from the model.

YES!!!!!!! He mentioned my moose antler idea in the new video HAHA!!!!! Well there goes my three seconds of fame in life . It's always great to see your feedback is listened too, even when it's crazy ideas, and I had no idea he had already planned antlers for another model .

Sounds like a golem may be coming soon .

Theophony, you tricked me! I just watched that whole video and there's not one mention of a golem . Did it get mentioned somewhere else that I missed?? (For later release, not in the Kickstarter, of course)

And lol about the antlers, that was pretty great. I also know your Kickstarter name, now

So the Vulture Demon is getting an "evil minion"?

Now that's intriguing. I'm really interested in seeing what Jeremy does with that. I would love if it was a kind of amorphous Chaos Spawn-ish creature.

 RiTides wrote:
Theophony, you tricked me! I just watched that whole video and there's not one mention of a golem . Did it get mentioned somewhere else that I missed?? (For later release, not in the Kickstarter, of course)

And lol about the antlers, that was pretty great. I also know your Kickstarter name, now

You knew my name from me sending goodies your way a while back . He mentions that one of the ideas that has been brought up in the comments section was going to be coming, he was really excited about it, I thought for sure it was the golem, but he said it would be announced later.

I know this may sound weird but I think that adding masculine characteristic such as a a flat chest and phallus, while at the same time keeping the overall feminine shape and figure would have been best for exhibiting Giger based influences. It also would have helped for making it a Slaaneshi model due to Slaanesh being both masculine and feminine. I completely understand not changing the model now that it's actually finished, but in the future a hermaphroditic demon would be a nifty addition.

Hey, can anyone direct me to the kick tracker for this, I can't seem to find it and I enjoy watching the growth.

 Theophony wrote:
Hey, can anyone direct me to the kick tracker for this, I can't seem to find it and I enjoy watching the growth.

https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/jeremyglen/creature-caster-first-wave/

 Ctan_Overlord wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Hey, can anyone direct me to the kick tracker for this, I can't seem to find it and I enjoy watching the growth.

https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/jeremyglen/creature-caster-first-wave/

Thanks overlord, but I was looking for the tracker(chart thing) showing the daily progress of the campaign.