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Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.


   
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 Medium of Death wrote:
Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.



I suspect its frustration borne of the strong desire of many readers, myself included, for them to stop fannying about and get the feth on with telling the fething story. I'm all for exploring the lesser known aspect of the Heresy, but how about advancing the story just a tiny bit?

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 azreal13 wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.



I suspect its frustration borne of the strong desire of many readers, myself included, for them to stop fannying about and get the feth on with telling the fething story. I'm all for exploring the lesser known aspect of the Heresy, but how about advancing the story just a tiny bit?


I totally get that. It's why I stopped reading the Horus Heresy books. I figure I'll tune in when it's done (if ever) or anything particularly amazing catches my attention, but because I'm not tuned in I tend to miss quite a fair bit of what's happening and where we are up to. Seems like there's still a fair amount of slow progress (or even re-visiting) going on. That dinosaur book is set in the Istvaan system right? Madness. Speaking of being out of the loop, have there been any Iron Hands HH novels at all?

   
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Not in a limelight sense.

They have a fairly strong presence as the "opposition" in Angel Exterminatus, but they haven't really got their own book yet.

Off the top of my head, only them, the Fists, Night Lords and The Death Guard who haven't had a book focusing specifically on them either printed or announced yet, so it has to be coming.

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 azreal13 wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.



I suspect its frustration borne of the strong desire of many readers, myself included, for them to stop fannying about and get the feth on with telling the fething story. I'm all for exploring the lesser known aspect of the Heresy, but how about advancing the story just a tiny bit?


You mean like Unremembered Empire sorting out a bunch of the wayward primarchs and getting them in one place for the next step? Or Scars telling us what actually happened to the White Scars before Terra, and showing what the Wolves were up to post Prospero?
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.



I suspect its frustration borne of the strong desire of many readers, myself included, for them to stop fannying about and get the feth on with telling the fething story. I'm all for exploring the lesser known aspect of the Heresy, but how about advancing the story just a tiny bit?


You mean like Unremembered Empire sorting out a bunch of the wayward primarchs and getting them in one place for the next step? Or Scars telling us what actually happened to the White Scars before Terra, and showing what the Wolves were up to post Prospero?


Well, I am resolutely sticking to the MMPB format, as I'm unwilling to reward what I see as money grab behaviour with my money. So I've yet to read either of those. But as the events in Unremembered Empire seem to have been fabricated solely to write a book about them, and books detailing what legions and characters were doing while they weren't involved directly in the events of the Heresy don't really move the story of the Heresy forward, no, I don't mean those.

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Medium of Death wrote:Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.



Medium of Death wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.



I suspect its frustration borne of the strong desire of many readers, myself included, for them to stop fannying about and get the feth on with telling the fething story. I'm all for exploring the lesser known aspect of the Heresy, but how about advancing the story just a tiny bit?


I totally get that. It's why I stopped reading the Horus Heresy books. I figure I'll tune in when it's done (if ever) or anything particularly amazing catches my attention, but because I'm not tuned in I tend to miss quite a fair bit of what's happening and where we are up to. Seems like there's still a fair amount of slow progress (or even re-visiting) going on. That dinosaur book is set in the Istvaan system right? Madness. Speaking of being out of the loop, have there been any Iron Hands HH novels at all?


So, you weren't actually confused then?!?

   
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Hang on, after eisenstein, so we have garro's journey thing in following HH Books?

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I'm kinda curious as to what's different about the reprint of Visions of Heresy, if anything at all.



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 the shrouded lord wrote:
Hang on, after eisenstein, so we have garro's journey thing in following HH Books?

Sadly the Garro storyline, which I found one of the most interesting, got thrown over to audiodramas. There are like.. 4 of them now I think?

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 BrookM wrote:
I'm kinda curious as to what's different about the reprint of Visions of Heresy, if anything at all.



Updated and corrected -- corrections to misidentified cards/artwork, Neil Roberts' covers/art included too,, apparently, with a new 100% true ( .... ....) timeline of events up to/including Unremembered Empire.




YMMV.


http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/alpharius-is-back.html

AL e-short.

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Ho-hum, the completionist in me has long since stopped caring, the GW/BL art collector side however.. I wonder if the Kaban Engine story is also still in there.



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Regarding "Space Marines vs. Dinosaurs" - why not? Annandale is one of the few really great BL authors anyway so I will be picking it up, not in hardback though!
   
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partisan_nick wrote:
Regarding "Space Marines vs. Dinosaurs" - why not? Annandale is one of the few really great BL authors anyway so I will be picking it up, not in hardback though!


If it were a space marine battle book I'd agree there and say sure, it's even a cool throwback to the stupid, tongue in cheek over the top sillyness days of 40k.

But it's not.

It's the HH series. They are trying to tell a serious story there, this is dumb filler.

Also what else has Annandale done? I don't think I've even heard of him before, let alone consider him up there with Abbnett or Dembowski(sp?) ?

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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The Barrigton J Bayley short story Battle of the Archaeosaurs was all about dinosaurs, dinosaurs smooshing Titans.

 reds8n wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
I'm kinda curious as to what's different about the reprint of Visions of Heresy, if anything at all.



Updated and corrected -- corrections to misidentified cards/artwork, Neil Roberts' covers/art included too,, apparently, with a new 100% true ( .... ....) timeline of events up to/including Unremembered Empire.

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I'll think i'll wait until the Heresy is finished, that way it'll have the whole story in and put it all in order.

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 jonolikespie wrote:
 the shrouded lord wrote:
Hang on, after eisenstein, so we have garro's journey thing in following HH Books?

Sadly the Garro storyline, which I found one of the most interesting, got thrown over to audiodramas. There are like.. 4 of them now I think?


That sucks donkey hole.
What about loken?

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 the shrouded lord wrote:
 jonolikespie wrote:
 the shrouded lord wrote:
Hang on, after eisenstein, so we have garro's journey thing in following HH Books?

Sadly the Garro storyline, which I found one of the most interesting, got thrown over to audiodramas. There are like.. 4 of them now I think?


That sucks donkey hole.
What about loken?


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(One of?) The first Garro Audiodramas sees him assembling a team drawn from multiple legions. A precursor to the idea of the Deathwatch in some respects but more likely than not the first Grey Knights. They go to Isstvaan and find a somewhat crazy Loken and after that I do believe Loken continues to be a character in the Garro audiodramas.

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
 
   
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I'm tempted, obviously.

But the e-shorts are usually depressingly...short.

Plus, with all the goofing around in the 'advertising' for it ("Alpharius is back, or is he?!?"), well, it doesn't inspire confidence.

Nor does BL's handling of the Legion after Abnett.

And:

"Incidentally, Chris will be at Black Library Live, along with Alpharius, or not. Although they’ve never been seen in the same room at the same time… Is Chris Wraight Alpharius? He could be. When I asked him about this he replied: “I can’t say.”"

I'm can absolutely say that Chris is not Alpharius.

   
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 BrookM wrote:
I'm kinda curious as to what's different about the reprint of Visions of Heresy, if anything at all.


You're going to get some, if not all, of the cover art from the HH books, but that will account for a very small percentage of the artwork, which will continue to be the appalling cards and the horrendous mad scribblings of Blanche, including my all-time favorite of a Marine with no midsection at all.

The original Collected Visions was a huge disappointment for me, so I won't be wasting any money on the new one. Now, can I track down any last copies of that Jes Goodwin collection...?

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 BrookM wrote:
Ho-hum, the completionist in me has long since stopped caring, the GW/BL art collector side however.. I wonder if the Kaban Engine story is also still in there.


I can see it being pulled out, since it was printed in Shadows of Treachery.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
Plus, with all the goofing around in the 'advertising' for it ("Alpharius is back, or is he?!?"), well, it doesn't inspire confidence.

Yes, it does not inspire confidence. Or does it ?

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I suspect all of BL will soon be converted to audiodramas. GW found a way to cut corners even further, no need for paper!

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 Harriticus wrote:
I suspect all of BL will soon be converted to audiodramas. GW found a way to cut corners even further, no need for paper!

Yeah, audio dramas and poxy ebooks...

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 azreal13 wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:
Kind of confused about the reaction to the Dinosaurs vs Marines bit. Deathworlds are pretty established in the fluff.



I suspect its frustration borne of the strong desire of many readers, myself included, for them to stop fannying about and get the feth on with telling the fething story. I'm all for exploring the lesser known aspect of the Heresy, but how about advancing the story just a tiny bit?


You mean like Unremembered Empire sorting out a bunch of the wayward primarchs and getting them in one place for the next step? Or Scars telling us what actually happened to the White Scars before Terra, and showing what the Wolves were up to post Prospero?


Well, I am resolutely sticking to the MMPB format, as I'm unwilling to reward what I see as money grab behaviour with my money. So I've yet to read either of those. But as the events in Unremembered Empire seem to have been fabricated solely to write a book about them, and books detailing what legions and characters were doing while they weren't involved directly in the events of the Heresy don't really move the story of the Heresy forward, no, I don't mean those.



well the upcoming Vengeful Spirit deals with an important event details in a previous published item so sounds right up your alley.

Seems to me that some HH readers just want BL to rush to the battle of terra simply telling in fiction the story we already know. BL however wants to take us into "uncharted territory" as it where and show us some genuinely new things, etc.


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BrianDavion wrote:
BL however wants to take us into "uncharted territory" as it where and show us some genuinely new things, etc.


And thats exactly what they said they were going to do when the series started way back when.

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 nels1031 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
BL however wants to take us into "uncharted territory" as it where and show us some genuinely new things, etc.


And thats exactly what they said they were going to do when the series started way back when.


And that's something I heartily endorse, but I feel they've crossed, or at least flirted with, the line between expanding on what went before and milking an enthusiastic customer base in a pretty cynical way. HH books, in MMPB at least, are about the only thing I still buy unthinkingly from BL (as opposed to 18 months-2 years ago, where it was nearly all the books I consumed) but my enthusiasm has been dented by the long wait between books thanks the the HB transition, and the books where my knowledge of the events of the Horus Heresy is no greater by the last page than it was on the first.

Don't get me wrong, I am very keen to see more of the 30K universe, but I think it is a balancing act that BL haven't got right 100% of the time.

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http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/horus-heresy-art-preview.html



Hey folks,

Every year at Black Library Live, we showcase some of the best new artwork from upcoming titles and this year is no exception.

To give you a taste of what to expect, here is a preview of just one new piece of Horus Heresy artwork from artist Neil Roberts.

Those of you joining us in Warhammer World a week on Saturday will be able to see the whole piece in all its glory.

We like this piece of art so much we’ve even used it on the Horus Heresy Weekender ticket which will be on sale first at next weekend’s event, along with tickets for the Black Library Weekender III and next year’s Black Library Live:

All three tickets will be on general release on Monday 3rd March.



Looks like everyone's favourite doubt ridden IF champion to me ...




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http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/howl-of-the-banshee-mp3.html

new -- short -- audio drama


http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/bl-live-product-preview.html

list of "some" of the titles available at next weeks BL Live.


I do hope there's more stuff than that available, past years have been good.

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If anyone is actually interested in a Dino vs. Future Human Soldier story, read Steel World by B. V. Larson

It was seriously entertaining!

I have to agree that the mini-money-grabs are a bit annoying. PLEASE MOVE FORWARD!

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