Forgeworld 2014 News & Rumours - p#132 Questoris Knight Magaera

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**angelofvengeance**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Loyalist eh? Technically speaking Horus only went "Traitor" because Erebus said that The Emperor was planning on killing off the Primarchs, so Horus was only doing what he thought right for his brothers and himself

Actually there was more reasons than just that. When the Emperor left the Great Crusade to return to Terra, Horus was disappointed that He had left the Crusade which kind of opened a hole for the Chaos gods to take advantage of later. Erebus and Kor Phaeron merely made sure Horus turned to Chaos by orchestrating events to work in the Dark Gods favour.
As for Horus "doing what was right for his brothers", that was the Chaos gods puppeteering him into thinking he was doing all that of his own will.

**Haighus**

It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.

**Theophony**

The hand positioning on Vulkan still seems odd to me, unless he's going to be part of a diorama similar to ferrus manus and Fulgrim, in which case it looks like he's shoving someone aside so he can Vulkan Smash someone. I've still got Vulkan Lives sitting, just not into it, but I'm guessing it could be Kurze in a diorama with him.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

His hand make sense to me, if you were doing an over head swing with a big heavy hammer you'd naturally putout your hand to give yourself more balance.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

angelofvengeance wrote:
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Loyalist eh? Technically speaking Horus only went "Traitor" because Erebus said that The Emperor was planning on killing off the Primarchs, so Horus was only doing what he thought right for his brothers and himself

Actually there was more reasons than just that. When the Emperor left the Great Crusade to return to Terra, Horus was disappointed that He had left the Crusade which kind of opened a hole for the Chaos gods to take advantage of later. Erebus and Kor Phaeron merely made sure Horus turned to Chaos by orchestrating events to work in the Dark Gods favour.
As for Horus "doing what was right for his brothers", that was the Chaos gods puppeteering him into thinking he was doing all that of his own will.

From Horus' point of view though, that is why he went traitor. In reality The Emperor went back to Terra to open the webway gate he found there in order to make travel between systems safer

**Alpharius**

That debate (?) can rage on in the 40K Background Forum - so we can stay on topic in here, please!

Thanks!

**Looky Likey**

All of the bases for the character series so far are quite similar, do you think FW will realise a tile that they all fit into?

**Ashiraya**

Mortarion is a big disappointment.

Vulkan is extremely sexy though.

**willb2064**

Haighus wrote:
It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.

1/3 finished? I expect at least half the primarch's to get multiple models. 3 versions of Horus have been mentioned already.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

willb2064 wrote:
Haighus wrote:
It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.

1/3 finished? I expect at least half the primarch's to get multiple models. 3 versions of Horus have been mentioned already.

really? three versions? so the warmaster version that's already out, the Luna Wolves Horus, and the Daemon Primarch Horus then?

**sonofruss**

Horus was never a possessed Deamon as he excepted all 4 major gods he received gifts from them all. He did go full evil from the corruption though.

**Marshal Loss**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
willb2064 wrote:
Haighus wrote:
It has just occurred to me that a 3rd of all Primarchs now have models. I don't know why, but it was kind of an odd realisation. Like, something I never thought would happen is already 1/3 finished.

1/3 finished? I expect at least half the primarch's to get multiple models. 3 versions of Horus have been mentioned already.

really? three versions? so the warmaster version that's already out, the Luna Wolves Horus, and the Daemon Primarch Horus then?

The current Horus model portrays him at the end of the Great Crusade/the beginning of the Heresy at Isstvan, so it can either be a traitor or a loyalist. The next Horus is going to be a definitely traitor/semi-chaosified Horus, at some point later in the Heresy, and the final one will be Horus in his final guise as he confronts the Emperor.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

sonofruss wrote:
Horus was never a possessed Deamon as he excepted all 4 major gods he received gifts from them all. He did go full evil from the corruption though.

he technically did go full daemon as he pretty much used the full force of chaos to permanently cripple the Emperor, but's a technicality a suppose as he didn't take a daemon form. still i was honestly hoping for a full Luna Wolves Horus though...oh well one can dream i suppose

**Lone Cat**

Solar Auxilia

Nice! Finally i've saw how 'official' IG troops looks like in the first place. Which armor do they wear? Carapace or FlaK?

And is that Mars Pattern Lasgun? meow~

**Zuul**

I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.

**Koppo**

Zuul wrote:
I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.

The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.

**Zuul**

Koppo wrote:
Zuul wrote:
I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.

The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.

Aaah, that would make sense.

**Tannhauser42**

I suspect the Imperial Army will still be using lasguns, anyway. I believe Forgeworld has said before they only plan to make models for the special units of the Imperial Army, leaving you to use the current range of Imperial Guard models for the IA troops. And, as the current IG models have lasguns, I would assume the IA will have lasguns.

**shade1313**

Koppo wrote:
Zuul wrote:
I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.

The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.

In a zero G environment, certainly, but not really much advantage just for vacuum/pressurized. The propellent powder used in modern guns would still function in a vacuum.

**Daston**

Aren't Las weapons used so that they don't cause damage to ships internals. Think they mention it in "know no fear"

**ace101**

shade1313 wrote:
Koppo wrote:
Zuul wrote:
I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.

The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.

In a zero G environment, certainly, but not really much advantage just for vacuum/pressurized. The propellent powder used in modern guns would still function in a vacuum.

Not really that. Newton's 3rd law is the issue, the recoil could send you tumbling or direct one off course during a void firefights, which is why in Ender's Game the pistols they used would need not have any recoil.

**Bobthehero**

I heard shotguns, myself.

I though it was a Lucius pattern lasgun on that picture at first, but then I remembered the timeline, derp.

**shade1313**

ace101 wrote:
shade1313 wrote:
Koppo wrote:
Zuul wrote:
I guess this means the fluff about imperial army being primarily equipped with autoguns is now bunk.

The Solar Aux. is a void fighting force so maybe a Lasgun makes more sense than a solid slug weapon in a vacuum/pressurised environment.

In a zero G environment, certainly, but not really much advantage just for vacuum/pressurized. The propellent powder used in modern guns would still function in a vacuum.
Not really that. Newton's 3rd law is the issue, the recoil could send you tumbling or direct one off course during a void firefights, which is why in Ender's Game the pistols they used would need not have any recoil.

That would be why I said that in a zero G environment, las would make more sense.

**kronk**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
sonofruss wrote:
Horus was never a possessed Deamon as he excepted all 4 major gods he received gifts from them all. He did go full evil from the corruption though.

he technically did go full daemon as he pretty much used the full force of chaos to permanently cripple the Emperor, but's a technicality a suppose as he didn't take a daemon form. still i was honestly hoping for a full Luna Wolves Horus though...oh well one can dream i suppose

THIS is the full Luna Wolves Horus.

And NO, he did NOT "technically" go full daemon. Daemons are born/created/whatever in the warp, Horus was not. Furthermore, Horus was never possessed by a Daemon. The 4 Warp "Gods" granted him powers. That does not technically make him a Daemon.

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**TyraelVladinhurst**

kronk wrote:
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
sonofruss wrote:
Horus was never a possessed Deamon as he excepted all 4 major gods he received gifts from them all. He did go full evil from the corruption though.

he technically did go full daemon as he pretty much used the full force of chaos to permanently cripple the Emperor, but's a technicality a suppose as he didn't take a daemon form. still i was honestly hoping for a full Luna Wolves Horus though...oh well one can dream i suppose

THIS is the full Luna Wolves Horus.

And NO, he did NOT "technically" go full daemon. Daemons are born/created/whatever in the warp, Horus was not. Furthermore, Horus was never possessed by a Daemon. The 4 Warp "Gods" granted him powers. That does not technically make him a Daemon.

Technically no it is not the full Luna Wolves Horus, that'd be the Warmaster Horus. Luna Wolves Horus didn't have the Talon yet, might have had Worldbreaker but not the Talon. If i recall correctly he had some super bolter in place of the Talon. So i will wait for Forgeworld to go back and do the Great Crusade i guess, but it'd still be nice to see him how he once was

**reds8n**

some notes from the Hh weekender, thanks to Mr. Shaggy from The Bolthole forum

The first seminar of the second day, and quite possibly the most eagerly-awaited… a preview of FW book 4…

“Conquest”
Tony Cottrell, Alan Bligh, Andy Hoare

TC: Quick overview of what will be in the 4th book of the Forge World series of books about the Horus Heresy. It will feature:-
Battles of the Cyclops Cluster “aha – nobody’s heard of that” (year 7)
Siege of Mezoa (year 8) “nobody’s heard of that one either”.
Conquest of Manachea (year 8)
Defence of Agathon (year 9)
Will feature the Sons Of Horus (“because Horus spent the first 2 years of the Heresy sitting in his chair being grumpy”), Death Guard & Mortarion, Iron Hands, Salamanders (a very few), a few Imperial Fists (sponsored by JCB)… Mechanicum (AB: Good and bad), Solar Auxilia (first time we get to see details of these – feature quite heavily), Knights, Titan Legions.
AB: “Conquest” will primarily be featuring several battles that aren’t going to be seen in the novels - the story follows on from Isstvan 5, war spreading out from there, sort of an epilogue to the Isstvan trilogy. Imperium been left utterly reeling from Dropsite Massacre, no cogent resistance to Horus, and warpstorms have carved up a lot of Imperium, stopping travel. “What Horus Did On His Summer Holidays”. Fits between I5 and “Vengeful Spirit”. Horus is consolidating power base, taking resources, worlds, recruiting bases now he knows he’s in for a long war – acting like the warlord he is. Uses his legion & Death Guard to cut swathe through northern Imperium, top section of Segmentum Ultima (up near the Halo Stars? No, Ghoul Stars). There is no real loyalist Space Marine resistance – Horus demands total submission, every world. Make bloody lesson of anyone who doesn’t bend the knee – attacks forge worlds, ordinary worlds, Navy bases – this is their time – the real nightmare unfolds, the greatest weapon the Imperium has ever made – the Space Marine legions – turning on not just the other legions but the Imperium itself. Defenders turn into destroyers. Death Guard unleashed to do to mankind what they’ve done to so many alien races – murder worlds. All worlds have 2 choices – submit to Horus & all his demands unconditionally or die. This is story of the scythe blade cutting into body of Imperium – about who will stand against it (or try to) and who will fall. Mainly about actual defenders of Imperium who aren’t Space Marines – mainly Solar Auxilia. Swept up in this are forge worlds on both sides, including Cyclotrase (spelling?) – if you’ve never heard of it, that’s because by M41 it’s been purged from all records. Was doing dark & terrible things long before HH – joins Warmaster – darkness unleashed. Against them are the Mechanicum of Mezoa who will not submit. Knight Houses on either side swept up in conflict. This is campaign set on many worlds, not one. Intended to present gamers with massive Heresy ‘toolbox’ to allow you to pick any part of Imperium and set up a conflict in it involving SM legions & other defenders etc.
AH: It’s a massive campaign area, much of northern Imperium – campaign rules etc will reflect this, allow gamers a lot of scope. Will have lots of extra rules (the ‘toolkit’) – warzone traits (raid, cityfight, etc) character development, terrain rules (irradiated post-apocalyptic wastes, etc) character survival rules, ways to improve characters as you go along, extra level of Warlord traits on strategic level to allow you to influence how campaign itself is played out. Lots of other bits… relic weapons that various legions (loyalists and traitors) can take, massive toolbox for this campaign and others.
TC: <starts showing screenshots of some pages from “Conquest” – artwork, pictures of legionaries, etc) - Sons of Horus are going to look ‘spikier’ as time goes on.
Solar Auxilia – will be a few different schemes for these.
AB: Army list stuff… full & robust Solar Auxilia army list, including Warlord traits and special characters, Heresy-era list for Questorus Knights which will work slightly different to 40K counterpart – Knights detached from households to go on Great Crusade. Rules for Shattered Legions warbands (mixed remnants of loyalists banding together) – at this stage, Horus has won so far but not a clean sweep. A lot more characters than seen in BL books, eg: Autek Moor & Red Talon… something buried on I5 that isn’t Vulkan which might be coming back – no, it’s not Ferrus, not undead Ferrus (TC: we have to say, Ferrus is DEAD… AB: they did kibosh my idea for an undead mechanical Ferrus… TC: no, not his twin brother either)… some interesting surprises.
QFA: Will there be a book on the Shadow Crusade, Ultramarines vs World Eaters & Word Bearers? TC: We have some plans… not sure yet exactly what we’ll do after this book, but getting Calth & Shadow Crusade covered fairly soon would make sense… not covered in Bk4, and will likely need at least 2 books to properly cover it – Calth, Armatura, Underworld War (TC: I keep saying ‘Underwear War’… “give my pants back you horrible Word Bearer!”).
QFA: Covering Mechanicum & Dark Mechanicum… for Dark Mech will you basically be taking default army list from BK3 and then adding bits to it like the legions? AB: Yes, something like that. Dark Mech won’t get a separate army list any time soon because they’re still mainly using the same kit as the loyalist Mechanicum just with some different kinds of attachments – not at stage of using daemon engines yet. TC: Done the basic army list so far… troops, transports, robots, Knights etc… what we haven’t seen yet are any Ordinatus or other big crazy machines – will eventually get round to those… some will be fairly big, some will be very big.
QFA: Re earlier mention of coming back to primarchs with newer rules… are we going to see new rules etc for those who have descended to a more ‘chaosy’ state? AB: Won’t be seeing any transformative rules for primarchs in Bk4 – it’s not that far along – but chaos primarchs as they go along will get influenced by Chaos – will need new models (giant snake man!) & different rules. Over time will definitely change… will probably do more than 2 versions of Horus.
QFA: Will there be new units for Sons Of Horus & Death Guard in new book? AB: In terms of units with models, not immediately… might do some more stuff later, but this will be more about new styles of fighting, rites of war, new configurations & characters, Legion relics – in 40K there are relics of the Heresy, little-understood lost bits of technology… in the Heresy there are relics of the Dark Age of Technology – far more dangerous. AH: Thing with the relics – will be themed to the character & history of each individual legion – and won’t be just for the legions covered so far, so Space Wolves, White Scars etc.

APOLOGIES! - I'm totally knackered, and barely halfway through the notes for this seminar... so posting the first part tonight, and will hopefully get the second part done tomorrow evening. At least gives you part of it to chew on...

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**zedmeister**

That post makes me drool. Also ORDINATUS!

PS, were these ever posted? Not sure, so excuse the repost:

**Alpharius**

The book previews sounds...depressing.

Do we really need a whole book on how evil and nasty the evil and nasty Legions are?

**Haighus**

Alpharius wrote:
The book previews sounds...depressing.

Do we really need a whole book on how evil and nasty the evil and nasty Legions are?

Well, by the looks of it, the book is going to focus mainly on the points where said Legions happen to come across more significant resistance, like pockets of loyalist Marines and the Solar Auxillia. The post above gave me the impression that it doesn't all go the Traitors' way at his point.

The Primarchs can't be everywhere afterall- smaller fleets of Traitors would be easier to hold back for determined and well-resourced worlds.

**warboss**

Alpharius wrote:
The book previews sounds...depressing.

Do we really need a whole book on how evil and nasty the evil and nasty Legions are?

Agreed... other than the solar auxila it doesn't list anything that hasn't been covered before to some degree.