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SALAMANDERS LEGION FIREDRAKES



http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SALAMANDERS_LEGION_FIREDRAKES.html

A swing and a miss.

Fail. Would look better on fantasy table than it does in 40k.

I like 'em.

 Medium of Death wrote:


A swing and a miss.

Really? I think they look pretty spiffing.

I don't think they're bad as such, maybe just ...hmm... a bit too predictable/pedestrian maybe ?

Shields are cool though.

They look okay, not as good as the Pyroclasts tough.

I think those are pretty nice. They're not as overloaded with detail as some models, still plenty good, and do fit the aesthetic of the Sallies.

I suppose some of the criticism might come from the fact that they look like TH/SS Terminators, where the Deathshroud, Pheonix and Red Butchers have all had a very different armament and look.

I won't judge them until I see them painted by someone else. Forgeworld has a habit of dropping the ball when it comes to showcasing their models. Something I've never been able to understand.

 Paradigm wrote:
I think those are pretty nice. They're not as overloaded with detail as some models, still plenty good, and do fit the aesthetic of the Sallies.

I suppose some of the criticism might come from the fact that they look like TH/SS Terminators, where the Deathshroud, Pheonix and Red Butchers have all had a very different armament and look.

TH/SS Terminators had to come from somewhere though- I don't think people will like it if they start producing IF Terminators either, because they use lots of Indomitus pattern Terminator armour, with assault cannons and Vigil pattern Storm Shields, so basically are just 40k Terminators without Cyclones. Not Heresy enough. Doesn't bother me personally, I like the Indomitus pattern, would be cool if FW released a Heresy-era upgrade pack to make GW suits look better.

I like the shields and the hammers.

I just think it's packed with too much detail but at the same time lacks detail. So it's crowded with Salamander iconography, but the armour itself lacks detail.

The mid section is just plain. No belt, the top portion of the legs just looks unfinished and overall is just far too busy with assorted crap. I don't think the colour scheme helps in that regard.

Oddly enough it's from the same sculptor who gave us these.



I think they are the perfect blend of ornate design and armour detail.

Haighus wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I think those are pretty nice. They're not as overloaded with detail as some models, still plenty good, and do fit the aesthetic of the Sallies.

I suppose some of the criticism might come from the fact that they look like TH/SS Terminators, where the Deathshroud, Pheonix and Red Butchers have all had a very different armament and look.

TH/SS Terminators had to come from somewhere though- I don't think people will like it if they start producing IF Terminators either, because they use lots of Indomitus pattern Terminator armour, with assault cannons and Vigil pattern Storm Shields, so basically are just 40k Terminators without Cyclones. Not Heresy enough. Doesn't bother me personally, I like the Indomitus pattern, would be cool if FW released a Heresy-era upgrade pack to make GW suits look better.

Oh yeah, I wasn't complaining about that myself, I was just suggesting that that may be the cause of some people's disappointment.

Did the IF use Indomitus pattern in the HH? If so, that might save me a bit of cash on my HH IF army. What's a Vigil Patter SS, or is that just the normal one

I think they are pretty solid - the paint job isn't the best though, they actually look better unpainted. The armour looks pretty nice, but I agree the shields and hammers could have used some extra scifi elements to them.

I rather like these. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And my mirror. Hey!

 Paradigm wrote:
I think those are pretty nice. They're not as overloaded with detail as some models, still plenty good, and do fit the aesthetic of the Sallies.

I suppose some of the criticism might come from the fact that they look like TH/SS Terminators, where the Deathshroud, Pheonix and Red Butchers have all had a very different armament and look.

Ditto on the look (about my only criticism on that score is their shoulder diamond markings appear a bit deep). My concern is they chose to go with the non-base version of the squad - I'd rather have a base model and choose the different weapon loads...but then I guess that just means more sales of FW Cataphractii hand/arm/weapon bits.

I quite like em . Look smashing!

I quite like them. Not my favorite of the terminators released so far but quite nice. The plan for me personally is to eventually get every primarch with a bodyguard of his elite warriors and get them painted up for display. These will work just fine for when we get Vulkan

Carlson793 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I think those are pretty nice. They're not as overloaded with detail as some models, still plenty good, and do fit the aesthetic of the Sallies.

I suppose some of the criticism might come from the fact that they look like TH/SS Terminators, where the Deathshroud, Pheonix and Red Butchers have all had a very different armament and look.

Ditto on the look (about my only criticism on that score is their shoulder diamond markings appear a bit deep). My concern is they chose to go with the non-base version of the squad - I'd rather have a base model and choose the different weapon loads...but then I guess that just means more sales of FW Cataphractii hand/arm/weapon bits.

Edit: Fail by me- got confused because the legs look like Tartaros.

Paradigm wrote:

Haighus wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I think those are pretty nice. They're not as overloaded with detail as some models, still plenty good, and do fit the aesthetic of the Sallies.

I suppose some of the criticism might come from the fact that they look like TH/SS Terminators, where the Deathshroud, Pheonix and Red Butchers have all had a very different armament and look.

TH/SS Terminators had to come from somewhere though- I don't think people will like it if they start producing IF Terminators either, because they use lots of Indomitus pattern Terminator armour, with assault cannons and Vigil pattern Storm Shields, so basically are just 40k Terminators without Cyclones. Not Heresy enough. Doesn't bother me personally, I like the Indomitus pattern, would be cool if FW released a Heresy-era upgrade pack to make GW suits look better.

Oh yeah, I wasn't complaining about that myself, I was just suggesting that that may be the cause of some people's disappointment.

Did the IF use Indomitus pattern in the HH? If so, that might save me a bit of cash on my HH IF army. What's a Vigil Patter SS, or is that just the normal one

A Vigil pattern Storm Shield is identical to a 40k Storm Shield, may only be taken by IFs in Terminator armour. Is cheaper for Terminators in Cataphractii armour.
As for Imperial Fist use of Terminator armour:
"The Imperial Fists were among the strongest proponents of the development of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and fielded a large number of squads equipped in all patterns of the so-called Terminator armour. Notably, they also were amongst the first to field significant numbers of the Indomitus pattern produced by the forges of Deimos."
Quoted from Book 3. I know what you mean about saving cash- I'm planning to get a mixture for my IF force. The biggest issue is the Crux Terminatus on the shoulder of GW ones, but I have some Black Templar Terminator pads I'll replace them with, so most of my Terminators will have veteran honours.

Absolutely gorgeous. Tempted to paint up a small detachment of Salamanders just as an excuse to buy these.

Haighus wrote:

Paradigm wrote:

Did the IF use Indomitus pattern in the HH? If so, that might save me a bit of cash on my HH IF army. What's a Vigil Patter SS, or is that just the normal one

A Vigil pattern Storm Shield is identical to a 40k Storm Shield, may only be taken by IFs in Terminator armour. Is cheaper for Terminators in Cataphractii armour.
As for Imperial Fist use of Terminator armour:
"The Imperial Fists were among the strongest proponents of the development of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, and fielded a large number of squads equipped in all patterns of the so-called Terminator armour. Notably, they also were amongst the first to field significant numbers of the Indomitus pattern produced by the forges of Deimos."
Quoted from Book 3. I know what you mean about saving cash- I'm planning to get a mixture for my IF force. The biggest issue is the Crux Terminatus on the shoulder of GW ones, but I have some Black Templar Terminator pads I'll replace them with, so most of my Terminators will have veteran honours.

Cheers, my HH force is a painting-only project at the moment so I don't have the books, so that was helpful. Veteran Honours symbols and the like are dead easy to do with green stuff, so the Crux Terminatus should be nothing a file and some GS can't fix.

If I ever start a Salamanders Army... I know what's escortign Vulkan He'stan into battle...

The shoulder pads on the right of all the models look very badly sculpted but the rest of the model looks decent. Awful paintjob of course but I think we are all used to that in FW infantry by now...

I like them overall, but I still dislike the over abundance of the drake skin bling on Salamanders models.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I like them overall, but I still dislike the over abundance of the drake skin bling on Salamanders models.

I guess it is a physical representation of their increased resistance to flame-based weapons as well as their dragon imagery.

 Hulksmash wrote:
The plan for me personally is to eventually get every primarch with a bodyguard of his elite warriors and get them painted up for display. These will work just fine for when we get Vulkan

good to know that I am not the only one trying that ...

And they are all left handed?

The helms and hammers look too plain compared to the rest of the model. I also don't care for the Tartarus pattern armor, as I like the broader stance and look of the other armor patterns, so that is a strike against them for me.

Da Butcha wrote:
The helms and hammers look too plain compared to the rest of the model. I also don't care for the Tartarus pattern armor, as I like the broader stance and look of the other armor patterns, so that is a strike against them for me.

Except, they're not in Tartaros patter terminator armor, they're in the Cataphracti pattern...

I guess they are ok, but then again I have never liked the Salamanders, nor their iconagraphy to any great degree. I suspect it's the idea to paint flames everywhere that puts me off, also, the idea to combine an intense green with orange and red? It's fething murder to the senses, learn to combine colours for feth's sake!

timd wrote:
And they are all left handed?

Sadly, it appears so.