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Yeah, random generic-ish sci-fi tank for an unproved game with little to no following isn't going to be a scratch on a WWII vehicle or unit of WWII infantry.

I'm sorry, but we had high hopes for this one, and they got stomped into the mud.

Game and figures still look gaktastic.. Wish they would have been a lot more serious about putting together a decent well rounded scifi game, instead of ego-stroking.

 Gallahad wrote:
What is most bizarre to me is that Warlord will pay to make injection plastic kits of pretty obscure vehicles or WWII infantry. The sci-fi market has to be larger than those that want to game WWII with the Japanese right? Even a so so plastic release would have to sell more than even a stellar WWII release. Right? Maybe not, but it would seem worth the gamble.

Absolutely not. A WW2 release will sell extraordinarily well to the 28mm ww2 historicals market, especially if it's a vehicle. Resin 28mm vehicles are expensive. Plastic ones are not. If you are collecting a nation and need a tank, you buy what that nation historically had.

A hard plastic sci fi release for an unreleased game would probably sell not at all, because some portion of the market wouldn't like it and then turn around and buy another Taurox.

Wait; are you saying the Japanese are an obscure WW2 infantry release? Better not say that around a Marine

A new range has been revealed as well as some (rather spanking!) new artwork, news article on BoW

http://www.beastsofwar.com/beyond-the-gates-of-antares/gates-antares-art-freeborn-starter-sets-great/#comment-213852









Think these look really good, probably my favourite of the range so far.

Do you know, I like those.

Those prices give me a headache. Makes GW look cheap by comparison.

 -DE- wrote:
Those prices give me a headache. Makes GW look cheap by comparison.

I don't think they're benchmarking themselves against GW.

Still three times the miniatures you get for the same price from Corvus Belli. And a bit cheaper than PP too. GW's quickly turning into the "cheap" company these days, it seems

I like those, and for metal models in a niche game, they are not badly priced.

There are plastics coming for GoA later this year though.

 -DE- wrote:
Those prices give me a headache. Makes GW look cheap by comparison.

Bear in mind that this game is aimed at a low model count as well. So won't be forking out as much as you would be for 40K

I can't look at these and not see 1990s era Eldar - particularly in how the cloaks are sculpted in that bottom squad.

At least they're reminiscent of better throwbacks this time, but they're still not something worth paying higher than 2015 prices for.

 Flashman wrote:

 -DE- wrote:
Those prices give me a headache. Makes GW look cheap by comparison.

Bear in mind that this game is aimed at a low model count as well. So won't be forking out as much as you would be for 40K

Then just proxy 40K models for GoA rules?

What if you're just a painter?

It's not really any more than GW RRP though -

10 Tacticals - £25
5 Devastators - £28
1 Captain model - £15

£68 - for 16 GW models + 1 cherub thing
£70 - for 19 models + 5 Flying drone type things.

Edit - I was trying to figure out what it was I didn't like about these models. The basing is terrible. It does them no favours.

These are quite nice.

£3 per mini isn't outrageous. There are certainly games with more attractive starters out there, though.

All in all, this is the first GoA thing I don't despise, so it's something.

 Eggs wrote:
It's not really any more than GW RRP though -

10 Tacticals - £25
5 Devastators - £28
1 Captain model - £15

£68 - for 16 GW models + 1 cherub thing
£70 - for 19 models + 5 Flying drone type things.

Edit - I was trying to figure out what it was I didn't like about these models. The basing is terrible. It does them no favours.

How about 2 x $39 AM Skitarii? $78 for 20 models vs $122 for 19 models. On top of that, the former are properly multi-pose with tons of extra parts, while the latter look to be single-part with no options. Dark Eldar Warriors, which look very close to the Freeborn, are even cheaper, at $29 per box. Throw in the fact that I can readily order GW at 25% off, and the comparison makes GoA a worse proposition still.

I've no idea how large GoA armies are supposed to be. Does anybody at this point? Are the rules even up yet?

That cover...

...Beyond the Rogue Gates of Antares Trader?

 -DE- wrote:


I've no idea how large GoA armies are supposed to be. Does anybody at this point? Are the rules even up yet?

Beta-version. Essentially a re-skinned Bolt Action

http://store.warlordgames.com/products/free-antares-public-beta-pdf-download

 Alpharius wrote:
That cover...

...Beyond the Rogue Gates of Antares Trader?

Rick is still salty for what they did with his baby. So now he's ripping off himself, making a bootleg 40K.

If it's similar to Bolt Action then I'm running about 70 models + a tank in my Japanese army with rather large squad sizes. These GoA starter squad sizes make it look like they're closer to a more elite army of around 40 models.

Wonderwolf wrote:
Beta-version. Essentially a re-skinned Bolt Action

Of course it is. Has anyone seen a sci-fi game from an 80s-90s games designer that wasn't a historical game with lazors tacked on?

Also, why isn't the internet completely flipping out over the fact that GoA doesn't use point costs?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
Beta-version. Essentially a re-skinned Bolt Action

Of course it is. Has anyone seen a sci-fi game from an 80s-90s games designer that wasn't a historical game with lazors tacked on?

Also, why isn't the internet completely flipping out over the fact that GoA doesn't use point costs?

Because nobody cares about GoA.

Once 40K switches to a no-points system, the Internet is going to explode in a storm of molten plastic.

Any ETA for the aforementioned Starter box yet?

Glad to see that GoA is continuing their fine tradition of producing 80s era sculpts in 2015.

Also, what sort of mechanism do Bolt Action and GoA use ruleswise to balance armies?

GoA is going to use the 'colored dice in a bag' "mechanic"?

 Alpharius wrote:
GoA is going to use the 'colored dice in a bag' "mechanic"?

Proprietary dice with custom facings, no less, although the facings don't play any part in the rules that I can find.

 -DE- wrote:

 Eggs wrote:
It's not really any more than GW RRP though -

10 Tacticals - £25
5 Devastators - £28
1 Captain model - £15

£68 - for 16 GW models + 1 cherub thing
£70 - for 19 models + 5 Flying drone type things.

Edit - I was trying to figure out what it was I didn't like about these models. The basing is terrible. It does them no favours.

How about 2 x $39 AM Skitarii? $78 for 20 models vs $122 for 19 models. On top of that, the former are properly multi-pose with tons of extra parts, while the latter look to be single-part with no options. Dark Eldar Warriors, which look very close to the Freeborn, are even cheaper, at $29 per box. Throw in the fact that I can readily order GW at 25% off, and the comparison makes GoA a worse proposition still.

I've no idea how large GoA armies are supposed to be. Does anybody at this point? Are the rules even up yet?

I'm not batting for or against GoA. I just chose models to build a similar style force as The GoA one, with GW's most popular faction. (A bunch of grunts, some heay weapons, a charater model)

 Alpharius wrote:
That cover...

...Beyond the Rogue Gates of Antares Trader?

That was my first reaction too. I was looking for the guy wielding a severed head by the helmet spike

**edit**
Never mind, now I see it

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
Beta-version. Essentially a re-skinned Bolt Action

Of course it is. Has anyone seen a sci-fi game from an 80s-90s games designer that wasn't a historical game with lazors tacked on?

Also, why isn't the internet completely flipping out over the fact that GoA doesn't use point costs?

Does the game have some form of balancing mechanic to make up for not having points? (Genuine question)

 Accolade wrote:
Does the game have some form of balancing mechanic to make up for not having points? (Genuine question)

It has a static army list for each faction, but players are welcome to add or drop "units of comparable type" to keep it even.

In their defense, it's a WIP.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Does the game have some form of balancing mechanic to make up for not having points? (Genuine question)

It has a static army list for each faction, but players are welcome to add or drop "units of comparable type" to keep it even.

In their defense, it's a WIP.

I think since the KS went Pete Tong they have been at a loss on how to present the game. Maybe they are just using the BA ruleset until they get something solid together. TBH I would jump on the game for the pedigree alone but the price and lack of a solid ruleset makes me th7nk again.

The rules available are the beta version and have been available for a long time now - that's why there are no points as of yet, the purpose of these rules has been to test core mechanics. Points won't come until later, remember the game hasn't actually launched properly yet, it's still essentially early access bits.