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 streamdragon wrote:

Kain wrote:Hasbro's arguable flagship franchise, Transformers, itself has a dark and moody comic series.

It also has steampunk Optimus Prime fighting Cthulhu with buzzsaw hands. Which is metal as hell.

Holy crap that sounds awesome. Link me!?

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Infestation_2

An IDW ongoing 40k comic would bring great things to the fluff. They know what they're doing.

And it also opens the road to crossovers.

So you can finally see Megatron fight Marneus Calgar.

 Kain wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

Kain wrote:Hasbro's arguable flagship franchise, Transformers, itself has a dark and moody comic series.

It also has steampunk Optimus Prime fighting Cthulhu with buzzsaw hands. Which is metal as hell.

Holy crap that sounds awesome. Link me!?

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Infestation_2

An IDW ongoing 40k comic would bring great things to the fluff. They know what they're doing.

And it also opens the road to crossovers.

So you can finally see Megatron fight Marneus Calgar.

You didn't say it has the Ninja Turtles.

Why didn't you say it also has the Ninja Turtles?

This is amazing.

Perfect Cannon cross over, Hasbro buying GW and rights? My Little Pony: Friendship is War

 conker249 wrote:
Perfect Cannon cross over, Hasbro buying GW and rights? My Little Pony: Friendship is War

If that were to happen I would spend the rest of my life infiltrating Hasbro to get within CC distance of the being of incredible stupidity who made such a amazingly stupid line of products, I would in sheath my Chainsword of Retribution and slay that Naysayer then and there.

Feel the wrath of the Thraka...

Transformers vs. Adeptus Mechanicus. Make it happen.

 conker249 wrote:
Perfect Cannon cross over, Hasbro buying GW and rights? My Little Pony: Friendship is War

HERESY! And mind you that you're being told that by a heretic!

 Kain wrote:
Would this be a positive or a negative change to 40k as a whole?

It's hard to say. Changes would be certain but who knows whether they'd be for the better. When I read your post I immediately thought of Heroscape. It was a really fun basic miniatures game that started under the Milton Bradley umbrella. To say that Heroscape had a healthy and loyal fan base would be an understatement. It was a pretty united and devoted community. Then it was transferred to WoTC and the changes that happened were so jarring that the community was left reeling and support dropped off. What fluff and theme the game had was largely eradicated as WoTC blended it with a D&D theme. This was the beginning of the end. Tragically, the game never recovered and was subsequently canned in 2010 or 11. It still has a good following but it's a shadow of what it once was.
But then again, someone could take over 40K and knock it out of the park. Who knows.

Hasbro. The company that can't sell D&D to role-players (by way of WOTC)
Messed up Star Wars minis & RPG.
Killed D&D minis.
Killed Heroscape.
Made a mess of Axis & Allies.

Yeah, that would be an awesome way for Warhammerto go

 Kain wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

Kain wrote:Hasbro's arguable flagship franchise, Transformers, itself has a dark and moody comic series.

It also has steampunk Optimus Prime fighting Cthulhu with buzzsaw hands. Which is metal as hell.

Holy crap that sounds awesome. Link me!?

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Infestation_2

An IDW ongoing 40k comic would bring great things to the fluff. They know what they're doing.

And it also opens the road to crossovers.

So you can finally see Megatron fight Marneus Calgar.

Crossovers are stupid.

Backfire wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I'm pretty sure Magic the Gathering doesn't do grimdark horror like W40K.

Of course not, because MTG is not a grimdark horror game. But the point is that Hasbro is clearly willing to allow grimdark things in their products, and so there is no reason at all to believe that they'd throw away the defining theme of 40k in favor of making a saturday morning cartoon out of it.

WotC cleaned up MtG from potentially "offensive" elements (including Demons and card art which could be seen as occult) some years before Hasbro bought them out.

I agree that Hasbro (or anyone else) probably wouldn't be as stupid to actually mess up the lore or feel of the universum signifantly. However, it is undeniable that any large company does feature corporate suckups and 'Image Consults' who would propose such a thing:
"This looks like really unique franchise with great potential. But what it needs is a brand extension to really broaden its appeal and power the franchise up to next level so it can compete with Star Wars brand! For starters, we need to make it somewhat more family-friendly. We have to remove all material which might be considered religiously offensive. Also, some of the violence need to be toned down. These Space Marines, with their multiple factions, bright colours, awesome names and distinct markings, they really have potential to be big! However, they need some modernizing - I note complete lack of female characters, for starters. Also, some stereotypical ethnic characters are needed to represent the minorities. Look at how George Lucas has done this - he is really good at this sort of thing! Now, as for other factions - Orks, Tau, these are really good...but these 'Tyranids', they do not talk! We really need to give them some dialogue so they can properly interact with others and make them more suitable for cartoons, comics, games etc. As for Imperial Guard - these Comissars? Summary executions? I'm afraid that's a no-no."

Never underestimate the stupidity of people who butt in from outside with their "great ideas" to "improve the product". You see it a lot in sports, for example.

Can I have examples please?

 conker249 wrote:
Perfect Cannon cross over, Hasbro buying GW and rights? My Little Pony: Friendship is War

Id be ok with this


IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY FRIENDSHIP.

I don't get why nerds think their franchises will be babyfied if a major company buys it out. Why would a company buy an IP and then proceed to change every aspect of it? I could see it as a way to kill a competitor without damaging their PR but in 40k's case it would be one of the dumbest moves in Corporate history.

 conker249 wrote:
Perfect Cannon cross over, Hasbro buying GW and rights? My Little Pony: Friendship is War

You make a valid point...

 Ugavine wrote:
Hasbro. The company that can't sell D&D to role-players (by way of WOTC)
Messed up Star Wars minis & RPG.
Killed D&D minis.
Killed Heroscape.
Made a mess of Axis & Allies.

Yeah, that would be an awesome way for Warhammerto go

Half the issue with miniature games produced by WoTC, is that they go with the "pre-painted random booster" as a distribution method. Meaning that you could only buy tons of miniatures you don't need hoping to get the one you want/need. So YES they have a horrible track record with mini games, because they treat them like card games! That being said, the mechanics of those games were pretty solid.

Now as far as the Star Wars RPG goes, the official line was "we don't have any more material to put out" I think the real reason is they didn't want to continue paying the royalties for it when the recession started. DnD 3 and 3.5 were good! I have no issues with those. But 4th was bad, They wanted to make the game appeal to the MMORPG players, but didn't realized those guys wouldn't leave the computer to play with actual people. And while it was popular with new players, they lost the existing player base.

GW already has its product designed and in production. Hasbro isn't going to change that, since its been established that that works.

I think it would be okay to an extent. Maybe they would stop selling some of the less popular stuff and sure there would be some lag time for releases probably but I think the BEST thing that could come out of it is marketing.

Hasbro markets a fair bit. They are in like every Walmart, Target etc etc so that would bring more people to the hobby I think. I am not sure if it would end well though but it would bring more people to the hobby in my opinion.

 Ugavine wrote:
Hasbro.

The company that can't sell D&D to role-players (by way of WOTC): It is still strong in my area. The only problem is that they are not the only game out there.
Messed up Star Wars minis & RPG.Messed up, I am not sure about, I do know that Lucas Film Just decided to go with another company
Killed D&D minis: I think it just had it's run and competition killed it.
Killed Heroscape: It had its own issues and everyone I talked to about it know it was going to have a short lifespan.
Made a mess of Axis & Allies: Mini’s...The FoW crowd did it in.

Yeah, that would be an awesome way for Warhammerto go
What we would get is Pre-Painted Starters and Kits and frequent FAQs that actually tried to fix the game.

Can honestly say that pre-painted kits, while they'd probably make the game more accessible, would not be what I'd want. Modeling is my favorite part of the game. I'd probably continue to play, especially since that would probably drops prices quite a bit, but I'd draw less enjoyment from the building of an army.

It would only be bad for the hobby. Hasbro is a horrible company and GW is not that bad.
Hasbro would probably end up destroying 40k. Hasbro is much, much bigger than GW. If anything, the moneygrabbing would only increase.

Yeah... I think that pre-painted kits would, in a way, "dumb things down" a bit too much. A main appeal of 40K is being able to paint your troops up any way you want, and pre-painted kits would discourage that somewhat.

I wouldn't mind pre painted so long as its easy to prime over and not made of that junk vinyl material.

Id be more interested how the rules will go.

It's not that they'd dumb things down per se (though serious thought would need to be given to units like Crisis Suits or HQ models) but it would basically remove the hobby aspect of 40k.

Now I think fans of 40k should honestly give that serious thought. Pre assembled kits would streamline the army building process for everyone. The game itself would likely benefit greatly from such a change. The question is do we want to sacrifice the hobby for the game?

its alos possible they could keep the painting but remove assembly of the models. People who really want to bash will still find ways to kit bash, since they already cut up models a lot anyway.

 LordofHats wrote:
It's not that they'd dumb things down per se (though serious thought would need to be given to units like Crisis Suits or HQ models) but it would basically remove the hobby aspect of 40k.

That's what I'm saying, it , in a sense,"dumbs things down" in that it takes some focus away from the complete customisability we usually have with paint schemes.

I guess it could be sprayed over easily enough, though. But it still seeems like it's de-emphasising the painting aspect somewhat.

 LordofHats wrote:
IPre assembled kits would streamline the army building process for everyone. The game itself would likely benefit greatly from such a change. The question is do we want to sacrifice the hobby for the game?

Does the assembling of models really put so many people off, though? Even kids can do that easily enough.

 Desubot wrote:
Id be more interested how the rules will go.

Well... How has Hasbro handled that stuff in the past? Did D&D or MtG get a major rules overhaul once Hasbro acquired them?

Edit: not that i'm convinced that Hasbro is definetely going to acquire GW yet, mind you. But it's still an interesting possibility to discuss.

I dont play D&D, but MTG it dont even recall much of a change other than streamlining specific words. also there awesome sauce database and FAQs.

The more I think about Hasbro MLP and GW 40k crossover the more funny it is to me.
Equestrian Empire
troops: Earth Ponies
Fast attack: Pegesi
Elites: Unicorns
HQ: Alicorns
Heavy: not sure yet, ill think of something sometime

Does the assembling of models really put so many people off, though? Even kids can do that easily enough.

I think it does. Not everyone is into building things. People who otherwise might play the game and buy models probably never do because they'd have to put the kits together themselves. Pre-assembled would mainstream the game more, opening it to a wider audience.

And I will add, some kits are a pain in the butt to assemble. I hate putting land speeders together. The hood never wants to fit down properly, even when I rubber band the crap out of it.

Honestly I thin GW needs to change or burn. They're not doing a good job anymore. Probably haven't since I even started the game a few years back. $40 for 10 tac marines (in a kit that doesn't even have all the unit options no less) is god damn ludicrous. Even now with some spare cash and an ardent desire to put a riptide together I struggle to justify $85 on one model, even if it its god damn awesome. Wizards of the Coast isn't flawless, but I think that they could run this game a lot better than GW and make some of the needed sacrifices that need to be made.

EDIT: I wouldn't even mind the kit prices per se, if they were complete but often to make the units you want you end up buying several kits, just to get an arm or something.

 Desubot wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
Perfect Cannon cross over, Hasbro buying GW and rights? My Little Pony: Friendship is War

Id be ok with this


IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY FRIENDSHIP.

God rainbows sending enemies to the moon and turning all the foes into lovely garden statues... *mutters mutters*

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
Perfect Cannon cross over, Hasbro buying GW and rights? My Little Pony: Friendship is War

Id be ok with this


IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY FRIENDSHIP.

God damn raimbows sending enemies to the moon and turning all the foes into lovely garden statues... *mutters mutters*

PREPARE THE FRIENDSHIP CANNON!..



Really though im 50/50 on the assembling part of the game.

ID like to play with built models but i dont want to rush screwing em up as i spent like 50$ on 5 little things. I have a lot more fun with partially assembled like AOBR marines (i love those).

Partial assembly is another option. Simplify the building process with more 'fit together' pieces. Putting a whole squad of marines together can be quite a bit of work and I wonder if the shoulder pads really need to be a separate piece from the arms or the back pack from the back. I get that it allows customizing but they only make shoulder pads for a few chapters anyway, and mostly the ones in the kits are ultramarine pads, so do we really care that much?

 conker249 wrote:
Heavy: not sure yet, ill think of something sometime

Trains. Trains pulled by horses.

 LordofHats wrote:

I think it does. Not everyone is into building things. People who otherwise might play the game and buy models probably never do because they'd have to put the kits together themselves. Pre-assembled would mainstream the game more, opening it to a wider audience.

Would you get rid of painting too, though? To me, painting seems like the most challenging of the two. And if they're both gone, well, the hobby aspect is mostly gone too.

 LordofHats wrote:
Now I think fans of 40k should honestly give that serious thought. Pre assembled kits would streamline the army building process for everyone. The game itself would likely benefit greatly from such a change. The question is do we want to sacrifice the hobby for the game?

Pre-assembled kits would be awful. Even restic wouldn't be as gak if they had sprues to protect them during transit.

 conker249 wrote:
The more I think about Hasbro MLP and GW 40k crossover the more funny it is to me.
Equestrian Empire
troops: Earth Ponies
Fast attack: Pegesi
Elites: Unicorns
HQ: Alicorns
Heavy: not sure yet, ill think of something sometime

Dragons of course! Minotaurs, heldra- phoenixes, dakka pony. That could work for heavy maybe? Also you could drop earth ponies from troops, swap them to heavy, and then make troops critters , donkeys (donkeys could be heavy sense weight and all), and make it so fast, elites, and heavy are the more elite ponies whilst the troops are the normal EP, unicorns, Pegasi... Oh and make the HQ Alicorns, Discord (cannot count as Warlord), and ponies of renown (all IC buy them as a unit).


Joking aside about a silly concept... Meh, on one hand I'd like Hasbro to buy it out and on another I think not. They largely left WoTC to their own devices and they don't really seem to hate dark stuff. I could see them leaving 40k how it is simply because taking that away would remove the one unique part about it. It would be like making ponies from mlp into huma-..... on second thought nevermind (it was a one time thing). I'd be surprised if they made a show about 40k or tried to make it good versus bad. To be honest, GW already does that on occasion taking out more gruesome bits and making SM knights of honor with Kaldor Draigo fething a daemon primarch for the lulz then roaming the warp like it's nothing. So I can't even say what changes would do to the worlds it's already so retconned that we get consistent arguments where both sides have truth to their statements. I doubt they'd try to price gouge any further honestly. I'd also be surprised if they didn't try to boost advertisement for the brand. Overall, I usually think Hasbro does well, making hiccups and blunders along the way because no company can't, and I would feel they'd be more likely to be a positive than a negative. Oh, and I don't much care for crossovers usually (then again I kinda found the novelty of optimus prime in fallout kinda funny)