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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 14:38:16
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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lord_blackfang wrote: 3. The lack of a generic non God marked lord outside of dark vengeance
Apart from the two different ones in Power Armour and two different ones in Terminator armour that are currently listed on the GW site? The trolls aren't even trying anymore.
Of those three are still metal, with one in plastic.
Chaos Lord 1 and Chaos Lord 2 are power armor--but still sold as metal.
Chaos Terminator Lord boxed set is plastic.
Chaos Terminator Lord 2 is still sold as metal.
The Aspiring Champion model is plastic but actually has a few bits that make him very unsuitable for being a "Build Your Own HQ" choice, while a CSM Lord in plastic could do well with a few arm options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 14:38:29
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Azazelx wrote: And FWIW, I'm a painter/modeller. The extra heads, weapons and bling (especially heads and weapons) is the only reason I'm willing to buy kits like Vanguard/Sternguard or potentially these ones. +1. The breadth of options and the ability to use the extras to bling out the more generic models is the main draw, for me. I've bought like... 4 of the new death company boxes over the years, primarily to blood-angel-ify regular space marine models with all the neat weapons and heads and shoulders and whatnot. The Sternguard kit at £30 made some sense given the sheer number of guns you get in that kit (don't recall exactly, but something in the region of two of every combi-weapon, five fancy bolters, two of each special weapon, heavy flamer AND heavy bolter, power fist, power sword, etc... it's a fairly good deal. That's before talking about the extra heads, shoulders, miscellaneous bits, what have you).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 14:39:14
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Azazelx wrote: filbert wrote:They justify the price with the amount of extra crap that they shove onto the sprues. Because apparently, although you only get the same 5 men out of the box, having umpteen different heads makes all the difference. I personally couldn't give a toss - I'm not a modeller or converter so the extra bumpf just goes in a box to gather dust.
Well, the good thing about the Sternguard kits is that with a bit of mating with Tactical Marines, you can get a good 15 or so Sternguard out of the box. If this is the same, I could see it being reasonable.
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And FWIW, I'm a painter/modeller. The extra heads, weapons and bling (especially heads and weapons) is the only reason I'm willing to buy kits like Vanguard/Sternguard or potentially these ones. If it's just about being utilitarian with models, just paint standard tac marines with 1st company shoulderpads or whatever and glue on some slightly different guns - no need to buy these kits!
That's the only way I was able to (barely) justify the one box each of Vanguard and Sternguard that made up my new Space Marine Codex purchases. With no appreciable collection of Chaos Marine spares, I wouldn't purchase a 5 Marine £30 Chaos box should one be released.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 14:41:48
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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Maybe a new codex will be coming down the pipe to replace the dated one we have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 14:45:33
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Commoragh-bound Peer
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this made me chuckle. I am sure they're the ones that were released in the mid 90's still
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 15:04:50
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Just because CSM will come on 5 man sprues does not mean the entire box will have just one sprue.
I think perhaps the wailing and gnashing of teeth should be reserved for when/if that happens. Think positive thoughts in the meantime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 15:05:32
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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Or it could be that the real problem with the 'chaos line' is that the codex is widely considered to be the weakest book with frustrating rules that CSM players have turned their face from in anger?
CSM without ATSKNF makes them incredibly overpriced, weak units just asking to be ran off the board. Rules sell models. Many players will, as James Lascannon on the Heroic 28's said, "will play with a plastic cube if the rules are right".
Yes, CSM might not be that bad, but public opinion is soundly against the book and the units. Even if you don't agree with it, almost everyone reads the internet, sees the negativity, and won't even bother with the army or the models.
Sure, some people don't care and will play with the CSM. But many do care, and won't play or even consider building a CSM army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 15:09:29
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Painting Within the Lines
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This makes sense.
With a weekly magazine, we will start to see things released more frequently. The company can release these new kits in a more drip fed way, as they can cover weekly releases now. The stores will suffer from more constant kit changes, but with the increased footfall from the weekly WD this will hopefully bring in more cash for the bricks and mortar area of the company.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 15:25:45
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Goresaw wrote:Or it could be that the real problem with the 'chaos line' is that the codex is widely considered to be the weakest book with frustrating rules that CSM players have turned their face from in anger?
CSM without ATSKNF makes them incredibly overpriced, weak units just asking to be ran off the board. Rules sell models. Many players will, as James Lascannon on the Heroic 28's said, "will play with a plastic cube if the rules are right".
Yes, CSM might not be that bad, but public opinion is soundly against the book and the units. Even if you don't agree with it, almost everyone reads the internet, sees the negativity, and won't even bother with the army or the models.
Sure, some people don't care and will play with the CSM. But many do care, and won't play or even consider building a CSM army.
That bolded line is pretty much how I feel about Tyranids right now...
However, new kits would not be bad at all. I admit, I would likely replace all of my CSM troops, if they were the same quality of the Chosen in the DV set. As long as they are not insanely priced of course....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 15:48:14
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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The Division Of Joy wrote:This makes sense.
With a weekly magazine, we will start to see things released more frequently. The company can release these new kits in a more drip fed way, as they can cover weekly releases now. The stores will suffer from more constant kit changes, but with the increased footfall from the weekly WD this will hopefully bring in more cash for the bricks and mortar area of the company.
Isn't this just an assumption (a reasonable one, but an assumption nonetheless) on our behalf?
Who's to say that what would have previously been released in week 1 of the month won't simply be spread over a 3 week window now they have a method of doing weekly previews rather than limited to once per month?
While we will be getting something new every week, I haven't seen anywhere official suggest we'll get more product every month than we do now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 15:55:19
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Fixture of Dakka
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Goresaw wrote:
CSM without ATSKNF makes them incredibly overpriced, weak units just asking to be ran off the board. Rules sell models. Many players will, as James Lascannon on the Heroic 28's said, "will play with a plastic cube if the rules are right".
I wish GW would realize this.. Rules have always sold models even in 2nd edition! There is a reason why wolf guard terminator models were valuable. People played with soda cans as drop pods because it took GW an ENTIRE edition to release one!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/30 16:20:54
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Hallowed Canoness
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Goresaw wrote:CSM without ATSKNF makes them incredibly overpriced, weak units just asking to be ran off the board.
How much does a CSM cost ? 13 points ? Well, for one point less, I have a model with -1 WS, -1S, -1T, -1I,…
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 17:20:46
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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To be fair, they've abused the sisters so much I've considered them to be in a different system at this point, being be the least powerful fantasy army, behind wood elves and bretonians. With sales reflecting as such.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 21:04:25
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
Burbank, CA
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Nice that they would consider making new figures, but I REALLY dislike the current codex. The last one wasn't as good as the previous (3.5), but this one is laughable. I wouldn't mind if they exchanged these troops for some of the living carnival rides they've added to the army in the last codex. And just call a 'HellBrute' a Dreadnaught, or just add Dred's back in, and make the brute something else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 21:12:11
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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kronk wrote:I look forward to new CSM's. However, my Army has been purchased. It's complete.
Mine as well, although I would be vaguely interested in a Nurgle lord in power armour (especially if he was on a bike).
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 22:54:39
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Regular Dakkanaut
Wallingford PA
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Took them long enough to even consider a Chosen box. Using standard marines will work but just doesn't have the same look to them.
The rumor I found quite interesting is the one regarding 4 Chaos suppliments devoted to the specific gods.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/08/4-chaos-space-marine-supplements.html
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He Who Controls The Dice Controls The Universe
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/21 23:24:32
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Now if only that came out too. My slaanesh army would like to be a real slaanesh army
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 00:19:34
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Lit By the Flames of Prospero
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Goresaw wrote:Or it could be that the real problem with the 'chaos line' is that the codex is widely considered to be the weakest book with frustrating rules that CSM players have turned their face from in anger?
CSM without ATSKNF makes them incredibly overpriced, weak units just asking to be ran off the board. Rules sell models. Many players will, as James Lascannon on the Heroic 28's said, "will play with a plastic cube if the rules are right".
Yes, CSM might not be that bad, but public opinion is soundly against the book and the units. Even if you don't agree with it, almost everyone reads the internet, sees the negativity, and won't even bother with the army or the models.
Sure, some people don't care and will play with the CSM. But many do care, and won't play or even consider building a CSM army.
It's the weekest book if you are takeing actual Chaos marines in your army.
GW should of just called it Codex: Deamon Engines and Cultists... That's what frustrates me the most. Because I can't even complain it's a bad book, with out people pointing to the hell-turkey and claiming my book is plenty competitive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 00:38:24
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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You know what the best part of all this is?
the 5 man cultists boxes, still BLOODY EXIST....... >.<"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 00:49:22
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Spawn of Chaos
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Some more chaos loven would be welcome. I am slowly getting a Red Corsairs army together and don't like the old models GW has been selling. So, some new mini's would be good for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 01:35:00
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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Goresaw wrote:Or it could be that the real problem with the 'chaos line' is that the codex is widely considered to be the weakest book with frustrating rules that CSM players have turned their face from in anger?
CSM without ATSKNF makes them incredibly overpriced, weak units just asking to be ran off the board. Rules sell models. Many players will, as James Lascannon on the Heroic 28's said, "will play with a plastic cube if the rules are right".
Yes, CSM might not be that bad, but public opinion is soundly against the book and the units. Even if you don't agree with it, almost everyone reads the internet, sees the negativity, and won't even bother with the army or the models.
Sure, some people don't care and will play with the CSM. But many do care, and won't play or even consider building a CSM army.
Dude... with all due respect I can win pick-up games and tougher nuts with the CSM codex, but DA is a wet petard compared to that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 01:45:33
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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DA would have enjoyed a little moment in the sun except for the helldrake FAQ utterly destroyed that army in a single instant.
But regardless, the point is, rules = model sales. I thought they understood that. Thunderfires, sell. Wave serpents, sell. Riptides, sell. Pyrovores.... still do not nor ever will sell. I was sure they were going to turn the pyrovore into a STR 6 AP 2 torrent flamer to sell models... but hey, GW never fails to surprise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 02:05:41
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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I just hope they don't go the route of the new plastic SM, where the gun and the hand are attached and separate from the rest of the arm. Makes it quite awkward to assemble sometimes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 03:05:23
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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WayneTheGame wrote:I just hope they don't go the route of the new plastic SM, where the gun and the hand are attached and separate from the rest of the arm. Makes it quite awkward to assemble sometimes.
Really? I like the new design. Much better than having to actually cut off the gun handle like in the old models, which always felt like mutilating the model to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 03:15:46
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:WayneTheGame wrote:I just hope they don't go the route of the new plastic SM, where the gun and the hand are attached and separate from the rest of the arm. Makes it quite awkward to assemble sometimes.
Really? I like the new design. Much better than having to actually cut off the gun handle like in the old models, which always felt like mutilating the model to me.
Maybe I got a bum mold then or something, I found it really annoying to glue them, at least one or two guys have like a chunk of their arm missing so the hand looks like it's dangling off the wrist. I much preferred the other way, and IMO it wasn't that difficult to chop the wrist off for conversions if needed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 09:36:54
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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CSM kit definitely needs revamping. The current kit is a pain in the bum to clean up when you compare it to the new SM tac squad kit.
As for ATSKNF- . CSM as far as I can tell, don't use the same level of mental conditioning as loyalists do.
Assembly wise- I found the new SM kits a joy to assemble. No problems whatsoever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 09:40:39
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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Goresaw wrote:DA would have enjoyed a little moment in the sun except for the helldrake FAQ utterly destroyed that army in a single instant. But regardless, the point is, rules = model sales. I thought they understood that. Thunderfires, sell. Wave serpents, sell. Riptides, sell. Pyrovores.... still do not nor ever will sell. I was sure they were going to turn the pyrovore into a STR 6 AP 2 torrent flamer to sell models... but hey, GW never fails to surprise. Considering that Centurions are extremely hit and miss and the last good flyer was the Heldrake, one would think that that theory would have died out a long time ago. GW does not have a habit of making new units powerful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 10:22:16
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Speed Drybrushing
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angelofvengeance wrote:As for ATSKNF- . CSM as far as I can tell, don't use the same level of mental conditioning as loyalists do. .
We're all fully aware there are some 'fluff reasons' for doing certain things, that doesn't excuse the fact that the rule itself is worth far more than the 1 point difference between a loyalist and a chaos marine, doubly so when VotLW brings them to the same price but isn't anywhere near as powerful. I'm also fully aware sisters lose a lot of stats (the only one that ever really makes a difference is the toughness), for only 1 point of difference from a csm, however they also gain a 6++, and a 5+ DtW which means you go from a 1 in 6 chance to ruin a pink horror units day to a 1 in 3, that's halving the effectiveness of all offensive psychic powers against the unit, as well as free preferred enemy for a turn. I won't dig at sisters though as they've had enough abuse as it is
I'd love for the rumour to be true but it sounds too much like wishlisting to me, the only glimmer of hope was if it did somehow tie into this campaign thing. Looks like all my old marines would be seeing a change to renegades and corsairs if the new ones are anywhere near as pretty as the DV stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 10:55:12
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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This whole line of thinking that the new hotness should be the most powerful thing yet confuses me anyway. We want balance but we also want the new thing to be the most powerful thing out there if it's our thing, and we want GW to deliberately make new kits overpowered to sell more models? No, no, no, those are all things I really don't want. I don't have a problem with the new space marines in terms of ease of assembly - it's gotten easier if anything - but I did like having the handles on the bolters so I could scatter a couple of spares around on battlements or mag-clamp them to backpacks, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/22 15:52:01
Subject: Chaos Space Marine Rumours
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Regular Dakkanaut
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gw have identified a number of issues with the chaos line with the main 3 being 1. The dated look of a number of models. 2. The hybrid nature of many kits 3. The lack of a generic non God marked lord outside of dark vengeance
Man, I tell you what, that's a real knee slapper.
1) Dated look - no worse than normal SM
2) Hybrid nature - isn't that the opposite of item 1?
3) These seem pretty generic to me:
- http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440207a&prodId=prod1130405
- http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440207a&prodId=prod1090210
- http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440207a&prodId=prod1710096a
Dear GW, the issue with CSM is that the Codex SUCKS and your stuff is EXPENSIVE. Why do I want to spend money on something that is only going to annoy me? Random do not equal fun.
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