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**macas**

Found this over on http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285891-chaos-in-februar/ hope its true.

**filbert**

The text for those who can't be arsed to click through - it's via Natfka apparently:

We have had a few communications now on a few new Chaos Marine box sets that are on their way to us in February. Now its time to talk about the Chaos Lords, and of course some more details.

Here are links to the two previous sets that are part of this rumor
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/chaos-space-marine-box-set-releases-pt2.html
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/chaos-space-marine-chosen-box-set.html

Please remember that these are rumors.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
gw have identified a number of issues with the chaos line with the main 3 being 1. The dated look of a number of models. 2. The hybrid nature of many kits 3. The lack of a generic non God marked lord outside of dark vengeance

There is to be a plastic clampack lord released in suitably ornate armour. The lord is mono posed and comprised of 5 pieces. This model has supposedly been designed as to be easy to kit bash/convert to allow chaos players to use the new updated power armour bits on.

Regarding the chosen. All power weapon variants are in the box with the lance and axe sharing the same body but with a separate head piece. Icons are included as is a number of God specific pads and heads. The kit has an "outrageous" number of head options.

Regarding the havoc. The havoc and new chosen/ standard marine kit share a core sprue containing 5 complete marine's. The havoc then has a number of unique sprues containing weaponry, backpacks and torso options. The havoc also boast an impressive number of heads with many appearing as mk2/3 heads with optical upgrades.

Has this been posted before at all?

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

"The dated look of a number of models."

Surely, they don't mean the Khorne beserkers!

**Flashman**

The 5 Chosen / Chaos Marines will be an interesting test of GW's current pricing sanity.

£20 = Just about acceptable, but only in relation to 5 Dire Avengers costing £20 plus

£25 = Unacceptable price creep as this set sounds the same as the Blood Angels / Death Company set.

£30 = Witch Elf / Sisters of Slaughter levels of pricing insanity / arrogance

**Medium of Death**

Flashman wrote:
The 5 Chosen / Chaos Marines will be an interesting test of GW's current pricing sanity.

I'd imagine the Chosen will be at £30 the same as the Sternguard, sadly. The 5 man boxes shouldn't be above the £20.50 mark that possessed and raptors sit at currently. I doubt GW has noticed the correlation between pricing and dropping sales, so we will probably end up at the £30 mark.

Although these are Naftka rumours...

If the Mk. 2 and 3 heads thing is right that could be good news for anybody wanting to make some new Iron Warriors. I thought they'd continue with the aesthetic of the Raptors though.

**filbert**

They justify the price with the amount of extra crap that they shove onto the sprues. Because apparently, although you only get the same 5 men out of the box, having umpteen different heads makes all the difference. I personally couldn't give a toss - I'm not a modeller or converter so the extra bumpf just goes in a box to gather dust.

**Joyboozer**

filbert wrote:
They justify the price with the amount of extra crap that they shove onto the sprues. Because apparently, although you only get the same 5 men out of the box, having umpteen different heads makes all the difference. I personally couldn't give a toss - I'm not a modeller or converter so the extra bumpf just goes in a box to gather dust.

Shouldn't you swap them?

**Medium of Death**

filbert wrote:
They justify the price with the amount of extra crap that they shove onto the sprues. Because apparently, although you only get the same 5 men out of the box, having umpteen different heads makes all the difference. I personally couldn't give a toss - I'm not a modeller or converter so the extra bumpf just goes in a box to gather dust.

I do like converting but I agree with you. A lot of it goes unused. I'd rather see maybe a couple of optional heads and weapons and then spread the rest out amongst the kits. That way kitbashing is still possible, but you never end up with ridiculous amounts of stuff left that will never get used.

GW could even bring their bits service back...

**l0k1**

Interesting rumors. I've been hoping for updated kits for a while. Though, by the look of these rumors, still no plastic updates for any cult troops. :(

**Flashman**

I'm just stirring to be honest, but £30 would mean a cost of £60 for a 10 man Chaos Marine squad - assuming the rumour that this is a combination of Chosen and standard Chaos Marines is correct.

A Tactical Squad is only £25, so you're paying £35 for spiky bits.

I imagine they'll keep the old standard Chaos Space marine kit though for those who can't afford the new look

**CthuluIsSpy**

Medium of Death wrote:
filbert wrote:
They justify the price with the amount of extra crap that they shove onto the sprues. Because apparently, although you only get the same 5 men out of the box, having umpteen different heads makes all the difference. I personally couldn't give a toss - I'm not a modeller or converter so the extra bumpf just goes in a box to gather dust.

I do like converting but I agree with you. A lot of it goes unused. I'd rather see maybe a couple of optional heads and weapons and then spread the rest out amongst the kits. That way kitbashing is still possible, but you never end up with ridiculous amounts of stuff left that will never get used.

GW could even bring their bits service back...

Yeah, I like the options as well, but they are charging another 5-10 euros for bits you will probably never use. I already have 3 boxes full of spare parts.

I wish all of their stores had a communal bitz box. Like, you drop the bitz in there if you don't want them, and you can pick up some for free.
Or even better, they don't charge you for the extra bitz in the set, and you contact their theorhetical bitz service for parts you need.

**Ashiraya**

Oh gawd yes, I hope this is true.

**Sasori**

Well, seeing as this is coming from Natfka....

**SickSix**

They recognize that some kits look outdated but Abbbadaddon looks fine?

**prankster**

Well there's three, likely different, sources talking about this at present. Sure, not everything from Natfka is right, but that's the issue with posting pretty much everything that is passed your way.

A plastic havoc box would be nice, though I can see it not giving you enough heavy weapons to field a squad with four the same. In the same way as the SM devastator box. Though, unless they add new options to the squad, I'll probably not pick any up due to ordering the FW 30k weapons for my squads.

But then, if they're redoing the basic CSM sprues (with shiny new sculpts) it gives them a good base to do plastic 1KSons (and noise marines) with a single sprue for the upgrade parts.

**lord_blackfang**

Is this more than 2 weeks out? Yes? Then it's fake.

**kronk**

I look forward to new CSM's. However, my Army has been purchased. It's complete.

**H.B.M.C.**

Really? 5 man troop box?

They don't have the ball... wait Dire Avengers.

**Medium of Death**

prankster wrote:
Well there's three, likely different, sources talking about this at present.

Linky?

**reds8n**

I suppose this could tie into the rumoured summer campaign.

Havocs going soonish I could believe as IIRC they're plastic and Finecast and with the latter also disappearing it can only really be a question of when really..?

**Nightlord1987**

Damn, here was me holding out hope for a new supplement rumor.

A generic non-God marked Lord? Has ANYONE really been asking for this? I don't think I have ever seen a non-marked lord (besides Huron) in a list.

The only thing I could see being useful are some of the Artifacts... a murderous looking sword, a pointy ornate looking mace, a decked out flamer. Prolly wont have them included though.

**kronk**

Sternguard and devastators are 5 man boxes, so I'm not surprised for the Havocs and Chosen to be the same.

However, the bog standard Chaos Space Marines should come in 10-man boxes like the new (and old) tactical squads.

**Medium of Death**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Really? 5 man troop box?

They don't have the ball... wait Dire Avengers.

I don't think the concept of a five man troop box should be that alien. Unless the minimum unit size is greater than the number of models in the box.

It's really just the pricing that shoots this idea down. The current price point makes it seem more like a money grab.

**bubber**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Is this more than 2 weeks out? Yes? Then it's fake.

Remember that WD is going to weekly issues so they could be released in the last week of Feb which is still some weeks away...

**gianlucafiorentini123**

Would love to see a new CSM troop box, as long as it stays it 10 men, though I hope they don't layout the sprue in the same way as the Tac squad those things are a nightmare to put together.

**Azazelx**

filbert wrote:
They justify the price with the amount of extra crap that they shove onto the sprues. Because apparently, although you only get the same 5 men out of the box, having umpteen different heads makes all the difference. I personally couldn't give a toss - I'm not a modeller or converter so the extra bumpf just goes in a box to gather dust.

Well, the good thing about the Sternguard kits is that with a bit of mating with Tactical Marines, you can get a good 15 or so Sternguard out of the box. If this is the same, I could see it being reasonable.

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And FWIW, I'm a painter/modeller. The extra heads, weapons and bling (especially heads and weapons) is the only reason I'm willing to buy kits like Vanguard/Sternguard or potentially these ones. If it's just about being utilitarian with models, just paint standard tac marines with 1st company shoulderpads or whatever and glue on some slightly different guns - no need to buy these kits!

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

filbert wrote:
gw have identified a number of issues with the chaos line with the main 3 being 1. The dated look of a number of models. 2. The hybrid nature of many kits 3. The lack of a generic non God marked lord outside of dark vengeance

Fake. That way of thinking is just so unlike GW !

**lord_blackfang**

3. The lack of a generic non God marked lord outside of dark vengeance

Apart from the two different ones in Power Armour and two different ones in Terminator armour that are currently listed on the GW site? The trolls aren't even trying anymore.

**kronk**

Or just about any MKII or MKIII PA guy form FW would make a good start to a lord.

**Brother SRM**

The only reason I'd give this rumor any credence is because GW is apparently switching to a smaller, faster release schedule with the weekly White Dwarfs, and it'll allow for little gaps in product lines to be filled. But, you know, naftka. I'd be happy with a new Chaos Marine kit, and if it really was just 5 dudes with tons of bits you could easily mix the Tactical Marine kit with it and make 15 pretty Chaotic looking dudes. I doubt it's a thing though.