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 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
I'm also fully aware sisters lose a lot of stats (the only one that ever really makes a difference is the toughness), for only 1 point of difference from a csm, however they also gain a 6++, and a 5+ DtW which means you go from a 1 in 6 chance to ruin a pink horror units day to a 1 in 3, that's halving the effectiveness of all offensive psychic powers against the unit, as well as free preferred enemy for a turn.

I forgot to mention that actually, a 5 sisters unit with veteran is the exact same price as a 5 chaos marine unit with aspiring champion. The one point difference is only for additional models. Really need to value that 6++ and AW…

Larry Vela posted this on bols

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/01/40k-rumors-dark-vengeance-minis-updated.html?m=1

For all you folks who loved the models in the Dark Vengeance set - word is they are getting the "fancy treatment" in the days ahead.



Sources have told us that many of the quick assembly minis in the Dark Vengeance set are getting the full treatment and arriving as fully-optioned multi-part plastic kits.  The following are on the way:

-Helbrute with all the weapon options
-Chaos Cultist set with options for Plague Zombies
-Chaos Lord in clampack format said to be bits compatible with the existing CSM range.
-Chaos Chosen with buckets of god-specific bits including 5 heads per god.
-Obliterators/Mutilators combo-kit
-Chaos Havocs with all new visual designs for certain weapons.

Half of these will ship very soon, the other half closer to Summer.

Woops, ninja'd.

Gotcha! Lol

I'm really interested to see new sculpts for these. The Mutilator/Obliterator combo makes sense, plus I'm sure they don't sell very many Mutilators. The zombie upgrades for cultists could be cool. Though I am surprised that they'll be coming so soon. I know dwarves are supposed to be released next month and rumors suggested IG in March.

I really want this to be true, there's still a bit of room for growth in my CSM army for decent oblits and havocs. I'm not buying it though, really feels like wishlisting still. I really hope I'm proven wrong!

 Bull0 wrote:
I'm not buying it though, really feels like wishlisting still.

My thoughts exactly. I can buy the clampack and the Havocs, maybe even the Chosen... but the rest? No.

just when I finally got enough havocs, obliterators and zombies....

Is this thread to talk about the Long War Supplement?

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-long-war-supplement-veteran-skill.html?m=1

Because infiltrating Chosen? Relentless Havocs? Tank Hunter Oblits? Chaos just got fixed.

Sounds like a lot of people would be happy about this.

It is on Natfka.

Two reasons why I view this with skepticism.

 azreal13 wrote:
Sounds like a lot of people would be happy about this.

It is on Natfka.

Two reasons why I view this with skepticism.

Just beat me to it.Too good to be true.

Especially the "Dark Vengeance aesthetic" in a multipart kit. That's what we thought the Chaos dex releases would be like...

If it turns out to be true that would be amazing, but I refuse to get my hopes up.

As a pure collector and not a gamer i welcome this. I upgraded the Chosen from the Dark Vengeance edition to Chaos Lords and make up the inner santum of my CSM Army The Bonchrushers Legion.

I actually love the current codex, only on the basis of fluff, also i have combined both the current dex with the previous dex to kit out points allocation and have changed the current points. My CSM Army The Boncrusher Legion is 32,500 points.

On the issue of the whole range of current CSM that come out in Finecast will need to be redone as there is the current rumour that Finecast has been dropped, so i am looking at seeing all new resculpts and plastic Independent Characters.

Oh wow. You can buy Fear for 5 points per squad! YEAH!

Why the hell would Infiltrate be more expensive than Relentless?

Assuming fear was the cheapest at 5 points per squad, I imagine infiltrate would be around 15-20 points per squad.

That... could be competitive, if you consider that Huron is 160 points for a 33% chance to only infiltrate a single squad, or three. By comparison, you could spend 60 points for guaranteed infiltrate for three squads, and spend that remaining 100 on a Chaos Lord with enough toys to be at least as beaty as Huron.

So, could be nice, if it's true. Could also be crap or non-existent, but eh. Games Workshop.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Why the hell would Infiltrate be more expensive than Relentless?

Because you assume those writing the rules understand the rules they are writing.

Goresaw wrote:
To be fair, they've abused the sisters so much I've considered them to be in a different system at this point, being be the least powerful fantasy army, behind wood elves and bretonians.

Oh they're not that bad. They can hold their own, just a little more challenging to play.

Goresaw wrote:
With sales reflecting as such.

Hardly. Their digital codex sold very well, getting into the top books on iTunes at one point. As for the models, well, of course those are selling badly. All metal, expensive, order-only.

2x210 wrote:
Is this thread to talk about the Long War Supplement?

So it's a supplement for a time period? That's new. Personally I'd prefer a supplement to flesh out a particular subfaction, but maybe this'll be cool too (assuming it's real).

Reading the rumors, thinking about flicking off 40k but my god if its true this is where all my money from my army pay will be going

The fact that they've waited so long to sell the DV stuff separately is worrisome. It's good news, don't get me wrong, and I especially like the new havocs news. But why didn't they do this earlier?

 Bull0 wrote:
I really want this to be true, there's still a bit of room for growth in my CSM army for decent oblits and havocs. I'm not buying it though, really feels like wishlisting still. I really hope I'm proven wrong!

Oh no, it completely makes sense to make a new kit to pack parts into when your Mutilator kit fails to impress anyone who's read the Rulebook.

I could see some reason for hope. I mean it made no sense what so ever to have Hellbrutes and Chosen in the starter box with no multi-part models anywhere to be seen right? Clearly they can't be stupid enough to not have those right? Right? Really, it doesn't even make sense to waste the ink giving the Hellbrute options if you never plan on making a kit for it. Those of us who like the convert stuff are fine either way but who releases books with units that lack properly matching models?

It is easy to doubt they'll get those models till 7th ed. and at that point you'll be lucky to even get one of those on the list while they add other new units to the book since they never bother to tell us anything. I guess you have to get people to buy extra starter sets somehow. I suppose the worst case here is fine for me though, I have a big enough backlog of things to paint that I wouldn't get to painting them all that soon anyway. Unless they did come out and would probably look good enough I wanted to paint them first anyway


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 MWHistorian wrote:
The fact that they've waited so long to sell the DV stuff separately is worrisome. It's good news, don't get me wrong, and I especially like the new havocs news. But why didn't they do this earlier?

Might have to do with their release schedule and having to do as much as they have had for the other armies. Would be my guess though I doubt we'll ever get a real answer.

 MWHistorian wrote:
The fact that they've waited so long to sell the DV stuff separately is worrisome. It's good news, don't get me wrong, and I especially like the new havocs news. But why didn't they do this earlier?

Simple reasoning in my mind, do not flood a market when most players collect a single army at a time. Release some now, let people commit, then boom give them what they want after it has died down. It is a nice double dip strategy for money. I despise snap fit.

If this Supplement is true, then i will be glad to alligne a whole World eater force with all models who have PE or Fleet+Shred.

But it also sounds like not all the Specialists rules will be buyable by all the units, the rumors says that While Havocs can buy relentless, they can't buy infiltration, a game balance thingy i think?

juts hope that they din't put some silly restriction on models with the MoK, i can live with my boys been unable to infiltrate, but if they rule out PE or Shred for moK models, that would be a stupid dick move.

 MWHistorian wrote:
The fact that they've waited so long to sell the DV stuff separately is worrisome. It's good news, don't get me wrong, and I especially like the new havocs news. But why didn't they do this earlier?

They probably did it simply to get them out so 3rd party companies wouldn't/couldn't make their own versions, then when schedule permitted, they could go back and do multi part versions and hopefully get people to buy those.

As far as this supplement goes, it worries me a little. I can deal with older models, better rules are what we need. From the rumors, I get the impression that only units that have votlw will get to purchase these extra rules. While not a major thing for a few units, on an army wide scale this could make the army as expensive as a full Black Legion army. I'll reserve judgment until I see it. I'll still pray to the dark gods we get some sort of legion/traitor tactics.

RUMORs.
however. I won't be buying any new chaos figs apart from the possible purchase of a hell chicken. The rules on the other hand, if true, and dare i say it, written by someone less out of touch than the writer of the last dex, could possibly sway me to purchase them.

Really, at this point I want GW to just say "**** it" and release Codex: CSM ver. 6.5, just like they did before.

I do NOT want to go into a game having to look through a crap codex plus 2 or more supplements/dataslates/FAQs just to have a decent playable army.

Meh. As someone else said: I will do whatever, as long as the rules are GOOD.

Make Lucius's rules into a coded 40k novel, where every 6th letter is used to spell out the rules over the course of the whole book. If he works well on the tabletop, I'll use it.

SOOOOO excited for a Slaanesh supplement.

 l0k1 wrote:
Larry Vela posted this on bols

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/01/40k-rumors-dark-vengeance-minis-updated.html?m=1

For all you folks who loved the models in the Dark Vengeance set - word is they are getting the "fancy treatment" in the days ahead.



Sources have told us that many of the quick assembly minis in the Dark Vengeance set are getting the full treatment and arriving as fully-optioned multi-part plastic kits.  The following are on the way:

-Helbrute with all the weapon options
-Chaos Cultist set with options for Plague Zombies
-Chaos Lord in clampack format said to be bits compatible with the existing CSM range.
-Chaos Chosen with buckets of god-specific bits including 5 heads per god.
-Obliterators/Mutilators combo-kit
-Chaos Havocs with all new visual designs for certain weapons.

Half of these will ship very soon, the other half closer to Summer.

I'd love if this was true. But sorry, I ain't buying it. A new Mutilator kit? Really? GW won't do that until 8th-9th edition at least. The models are horrid but they are somewhat new, so GW won't update 'em.

With GW phasing out Finecast, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

I'd buy the Chaos equivalent of the Sternguard kit in a heartbeat.

A plethora of bits spread through standard CSM squads would really lift the aesthetic of an army that sorely needs it. The Dark Vengeance and Raptors Minis really show what the Chaos kine could be, and I'd love to see that made a reality.

If this is true my wallet is sadly open.

Plastic chaos crack addiction FTW

So many rumors I would love to be true.

Larry Vela got broken my Nidmegaddon. Naftka...Yeah...