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2014/02/08 05:07:42
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
The first WIP of the big version was posted a few days ago. They also are going to have a smaller 3-copter unit, which should be more gyro copter sized.
The GW one is rather pricey and not to my taste, so I will likely use my pledge credit from the metal beards campaign for zeppelins since we didn't have to allocate it yet.
Edit: Ninja'ed . 360 degree view available at the link above, though.
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2014/02/08 17:45:37
Subject: Re:WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Start with a batallion box or 2 and a Dwarf Lord, Standard Bearer and maybe a Runepriest. $250-275ish
Thats a good deal, even at GW's retail price for the battalion. Find it from an online store with an actual discount to save even more money.
Once you have the core of the army, you can go after the new shinies, which are most likely rare or special, and may well suck for all we know at this point.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2014/02/08 20:00:48
Subject: Re:WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Alpharius wrote: I really want to start a Dwarf army, but when you start doing the math on costs...ouch.
A good sized unit of Hammerers and Longbeards (30 troops each) at $150 each = $300.
Two Gyrocopters and a Gyrobomber = $150.
Total now at $450.
Army book = $50.
Total now at $500.
Add in some of the new Iron Breakers (30 man unit) for $150.
Now at $650.
Maybe a 20 man unit of the new flame/blunderbuss troops for $100 - total now at $750.
Probably not hard to get all of this for 20% off (unless someone knows someplace that offers a bigger discount) and you're still at $600.
Before any warmachines, characters or another troop choice or two.
Am I missing something?
While i agree with you, in many ways people overreact just becuase its gw. The new increase on the boxes made me a bit angry, but the quality on those new dwarves are so incredible i cant justify any anger.
2014/02/08 20:03:09
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
When I think of a 'hilarious' joke 3-4 days after it might have been funny I generally just place it carefully in the dark place in my soul where my childhood dreams wither and die rather than phoning all my friends to painfully reconstruct the context that it would have been perfect in.
Does no-one do unit fillers in Fantasy? There really seems to be no reason at all to have 40 seperate guys when a good chunk of the unit could be a little diorama thing on a big base. Miners for instance could just have a big hole making up 50% of their unit...
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2014/02/08 20:18:06
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
plastictrees wrote: Does no-one do unit fillers in Fantasy? There really seems to be no reason at all to have 40 seperate guys when a good chunk of the unit could be a little diorama thing on a big base. Miners for instance could just have a big hole making up 50% of their unit...
Miners are the one kit that actually comes with unit filler, although probably not intentionally. The box comes with at least one (two I believe) pony(s) pulling a cart of ore or some such. A big hole would still be characterful though.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2014/02/08 20:19:48
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
GW doing the whole "1,000 limited edition codex!" shtick again. You'd think they'd have learned something from the failure of the Tyranids LE bullcrap.
My Armies:
5,500pts 2,700pts 2,000pts
2014/02/08 21:45:54
Subject: Re:WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Gw won't learn anything unless people stop buying the LE books. I imagine the Dwarf LE book was already through production around the same time as the Tyranid LE codex flop, so we will have to see if (a) people realize that LE books aren't worth their cost for lifespan (roughly 4-5 years?) and (b) if more LE books for different armies don't sell well. 3 or 4 different LE books that don't sell well I think would seal the end of this concept.
That being said, I will admit I was foolish enough to buy the first LE 6th edition 40k rulebook. Now I'm looking at the possibility that a new edition of the rulebook will be out only roughly 3 years since the previous ....well, I learned my lesson and won't be doing that again!
With these new dwarves I'm interested in the thought of starting my first ever WHFB army, but with 9th edition rumors on the way I think I'm more hesitant to invest in books with short lifespans.
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2014/02/08 23:07:46
Subject: Re:WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Alpharius wrote: I really want to start a Dwarf army, but when you start doing the math on costs...ouch.
A good sized unit of Hammerers and Longbeards (30 troops each) at $150 each = $300.
...
Yeah, I have 2 or 3 Battle for Skull Pass starter box dwarf sets, a Battalion and IIRC 40 Miners and probably some odds and ends in a box somewhere. But given how much it costs to build a functional regiment (30 or 40 guys nowadays I hear!) I really cannot afford to get the army up to modern standards. I'm not even going to buy the book, there's no point.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2014/02/08 23:15:33
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Alpharius wrote: I really want to start a Dwarf army, but when you start doing the math on costs...
Whilst this doesn't change the cost in the very long run why not just start at building up to 1k points of models, ones that you like the look of, then enjoy painting them up and getting a few games in and see if the rumours of 9th ed are true?
I'm more of a modeler than a gamer though so this tactic tends to work for me, as displayed by my slowly growing, erratic, collection of individual Infinity models which I've promised myself I'll get around to playing... someday
2014/02/09 00:32:38
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Harriticus wrote: GW doing the whole "1,000 limited edition codex!" shtick again. You'd think they'd have learned something from the failure of the Tyranids LE bullcrap.
There's nothing for GW to learn. The Limited Editions are intended for the same sort of people who buy 5 copies of a Wolverine comic book because each features an alternate cover, and believe me some of those LE cover's prices make GW's pricing seem like very small potatos indeed, so it's a concept that is proven and costs them very little to produce for a nice return.
These books are intended for collectors, in the same way the LE figures that were only ever available in the old Army Boxes were intended for collectors, certainly never meant to be used for normal gaming down the local club, and certainly impossible to invalidate just because a new edition comes out.
2014/02/09 00:51:34
Subject: Re:WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Bla_Ze wrote: While i agree with you, in many ways people overreact just becuase its gw.
No I'm pretty sure people are reacting because the prices are insane (a single new Hammerer is 200% the cost of a single Dwarf Warrior... because?). The fact that it's GW just makes it more predictable.
MetalOxide wrote: Just saw the Gyrobomber / Gyrocopter... since when did GW start manufacturing Happy Meal toys?
Ah! That's it.
I had a Launchpad McQuack toy from a happy mean some 20-ish years ago that reminds me of the Gyrocockpit.
HarryLeChien wrote: ... intended for the same sort of people who buy 5 copies of a Wolverine comic book because each features an alternate cover...
Interesting example you chose there. I seem to remember certain big comic book companies getting a little carried away with Limited Edition covers, and then some sort of comic book crash. Hmm...
HarryLeChien wrote: ... certainly never meant to be used for normal gaming down the local club...
Umm... what? Since when?
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HBMC Elite units cost more per model than Core/Troops because GW expects you to buy less of them. The cost of production is the same for both, but since you NEED Troops/Core and you don't need many/any Elites, they charge more to make up the production costs (and their is more perceived value in Elite units, either due to rules or quality of sculpt.)
There are exceptions, of course, such as the Eldar Dire Avengers rebox.
2014/02/09 01:24:14
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Zoned wrote: HBMC Elite units cost more per model than Core/Troops because GW expects you to buy less of them. The cost of production is the same for both, but since you NEED Troops/Core and you don't need many/any Elites, they charge more to make up the production costs (and their is more perceived value in Elite units, either due to rules or quality of sculpt.)
There are exceptions, of course, such as the Eldar Dire Avengers rebox.
That's bs. The Witch Elves are a Core choice, but are also one of the most expensive infantry kits around. Elite units cost more per model because GW doesn't want the cost of entry to be too cheap, as would be the case if you could buy a Core-priced box and use it to build Rares.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
2014/02/09 01:31:24
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Zoned wrote: HBMC Elite units cost more per model than Core/Troops because GW expects you to buy less of them. The cost of production is the same for both, but since you NEED Troops/Core and you don't need many/any Elites, they charge more to make up the production costs (and their is more perceived value in Elite units, either due to rules or quality of sculpt.)
It's hilarious that you believe all that.
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Alex Holker, you'll note that I said there are exceptions, but the trend still stands - core/troop units GENERALLY cost less per model than their Elite equivalents.
Also, the Witch Elves kit can be turned into a Rare choice, which GW also expects you to buy less of.
HBMC, thanks for the thoughtful reply.
2014/02/09 01:58:02
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
From what it looked like in White Dwarf(there's a bit about "painting component breakdowns" and it uses the Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber as an example), the Gyrocopter and Bomber would be very simple to magnetize and get the most out of the kit.
2014/02/09 01:59:18
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Zoned wrote: Alex Holker, you'll note that I said there are exceptions, but the trend still stands - core/troop units GENERALLY cost less per model than their Elite equivalents.
Also, the Witch Elves kit can be turned into a Rare choice, which GW also expects you to buy less of.
All else being equal, a kit that can produce either a Core or a Rare unit will sell more than a kit that can produce only Cores or only Rares. By your logic, it should be cheaper than either.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
2014/02/09 02:22:09
Subject: Re:WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Bla_Ze wrote: While i agree with you, in many ways people overreact just becuase its gw.
No I'm pretty sure people are reacting because the prices are insane (a single new Hammerer is 200% the cost of a single Dwarf Warrior... because?). The fact that it's GW just makes it more predictable.
In my opinion the Longbeards are worth 200% more than the warriors. But this is written out of context. Since i dont really Think you care what i beleive im not going through the trouble of a Deep explanation
2014/02/09 02:39:12
Subject: WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13
Looks like the last(?) 3rd wave is going to be irondrakes (flame thrower unit)/ironbreakers.
Haven't heard of any other new units, and I didn't pick up the latest WDW, so I'm not sure if they gave any hints out like they did last time.
Kind of a bummer, as every unit looks pretty much the same. Anyone have any pictures of the old models next to the newer ones? Just wanted to see what the height difference is.
since we didn't have to allocate it yet.
. 360 degree view available at the link above, though.
....well, I learned my lesson and won't be doing that again!
