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I think Defilers are the template for how Imperial Knights are represented. Defilers, even if not in name are effictively Chaos Knights. In epic, the most common knight has a cannon, a secondary weapon, a close combat weapon, and an energy shield of sorts. Maybe it's coincidental but that parallels a defilers cannon, reaper autocannons, crab claws, and it will not die.

True. You could play a pretty decent analogy to a Knight Paladin by just using the Defiler rules.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

I think Defilers are the template for how Imperial Knights are represented. Defilers, even if not in name are effictively Chaos Knights. In epic, the most common knight has a cannon, a secondary weapon, a close combat weapon, and an energy shield of sorts. Maybe it's coincidental but that parallels a defilers cannon, reaper autocannons, crab claws, and it will not die.

True. You could play a pretty decent analogy to a Knight Paladin by just using the Defiler rules.

If the rumors are true, and beyond that FW were to have add-ons for other Knight variants they'd further likely have rules for a whole Knight army of sorts. That puts them in a position where they can't be more than just powerful conventional units. A Knight army would thus tend to be a walking Tank company, where relative to tanks they've traded nominal armor for the protection of power fields.

Huh, while searching for the Imperial Guard rumor thread, which I found and am very excited about, I discovered this (from 9/2013) -

Knight Paladin - Taller than riptide, not as tall as Wraithknight. Vanquisher cannon and Uber-chainsword are standard load out. May upgrade to Punisher Cannon, Uber-Fist with Inferno Flamers


Seems to have already been known about!

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Huh, while searching for the Imperial Guard rumor thread, which I found and am very excited about, I discovered this (from 9/2013) -

Knight Paladin - Taller than riptide, not as tall as Wraithknight. Vanquisher cannon and Uber-chainsword are standard load out. May upgrade to Punisher Cannon, Uber-Fist with Inferno Flamers


Seems to have already been known about!

That's actually from the fan-generated Bell of Lost Souls "Lords of Battle" supplement - it's been around for quite a while.

Sorry to disappoint, but the supplement is designed to provide trial rules for players for a lot of the older units. For example, it's also got IG Leviathans, Capitol Imperialis, and "goth" and "hun" variant Reaver Titans.

Quite a good read, but un-related to this news from Radio 40K.

I think his picture is separate from the rumor.

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Huh, while searching for the Imperial Guard rumor thread, which I found and am very excited about, I discovered this (from 9/2013) -

Knight Paladin - Taller than riptide, not as tall as Wraithknight. Vanquisher cannon and Uber-chainsword are standard load out. May upgrade to Punisher Cannon, Uber-Fist with Inferno Flamers


Seems to have already been known about!

If you look at the old epic models, these are generally the sort of weapons that appear on them. That is to say it can simply be a case of supposition based on those models.

My biggest reason to believe its more guess work than true rumor, is this: when was the last time GW took a new model and straight forwardly gave the model a preexisting weapon?-GW's approach has been to come up with all these different new and unique weapon variances even when it looks just like a plasma cannon or assault cannon. How many different "flame" based weapons exist now? And now here we're talking about something as big a deal as Knights getting off the shelf weapons. Maybe these really are the weapon options, but it'd be uncharacteristic of GW.

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Huh, while searching for the Imperial Guard rumor thread, which I found and am very excited about, I discovered this (from 9/2013) -

Knight Paladin - Taller than riptide, not as tall as Wraithknight. Vanquisher cannon and Uber-chainsword are standard load out. May upgrade to Punisher Cannon, Uber-Fist with Inferno Flamers


Seems to have already been known about!

2 HP and FA 13...

Sooooo... it's weaker than a land raider?

See: NOPE

Wonder what price-point will it be i wonder?

 Moopy wrote:
2 HP and FA 13...

Sooooo... it's weaker than a land raider?

See: NOPE

It is still using the old Apocalypse rules, which had Structure Points. One Structure Point = 3 HP's, so it has 6 HP's.

Whether it's simply Knight or Knight Titan, I don't care. I just want a cool mini that under $200, please. And sell it with the damn weapons.

Chances are it will be the same price as that of the Wraithknight, so semi-affordable, but you get a nice kit for the cash.

I really hope that they will keep with the existing look and build of Imperial Knights like people want, rather than releasing something "cool and new!". Every large model from GW has to have some new-fangled ultra-weapon just to be "new". GW needs to understand that it's ok to use the weapons that already exist in their game!

It would be perfectly fine with me if a Knight "Paladin" (even if they demand to put a different name on it to me "new") simply had a Battle (or Vanquisher) cannon, twin-linked heavy bolters, and a titan-scale close combat weapon.

If they demand on making the art-style different just for the sake of distancing themselves from their own past (which they seem keen on doing) and putting some sort of uber-archeotech weapon loadouts on the Knights, I will simply get the Dreamforge models.

The 15mm Dreamforge "Knights" are half the price of what GW will be putting their Knights out at, and because I still mainly play games of 4th edition, I can simply use the VDR rules to make them respectful of the Epic versions, which is what they should be

Apparently, I've been missing the signal from Alpharius:

KNIGHTS AREN'T TITANS.

I imagine you jumping through a window first and striking an angry pose, pointing at the accused while shouting that.

I know that's how I see it!

ok, note to self, DO NOT PUT UNRELATED PICTURES WITH INFORMATION POSTED, it confuses people...

let us try this again...

THIS IS WHAT I FOUND ON DAKKA & WARSEER & A FEW OTHER SITES.....

FROM

november , 8
via StrykerSniper (WHO WAS AT GW HQ AND SAW THIS STUFF FIRST HAND) on Warseer :

I'm praying for stormtroopers, real ones, as a second troop choice. I did have a tiny look behind the iron curtain of GWs privacy policies, and I was able to see some mockups of the new veterans/stormtrooper boxed set, and it would be an amazing kit to build warbands or stormtrooper squads. Also I saw a model that appeared to be an Inquisitor, and was wearing a long cloak and armor.

I could see GW allowing stormtroopers as a troop choice to induce additional sales of the new kit, which, frankly, floored me. The details were great, with kasrkin style armor, and all sorts of weapons including hellguns, sniper rifles, special weapons, a cool missile launcher, a bunch of sergeant options, bolters, and lots of shotguns that managed to not look like scout shotguns. Also, the bolters did not look like marine shotuns, they were a little more human sized.

Some of the poses were also amazingly dynamic. Some were stoic standing poses, while a couple were very John Woo! There were also a lot of extra bits, poches, packs, grenades, knives, some scanner like equipment, and what appeared to be night vision goggles. If i were a puppy, I would've piddled on the rug, and it was a supreme act of will not to grab the models and run for the door. Apparently, they have also been ready for some time. Please dear God, let these see the light of my hobby store soon and I will have at least 5 boxes! This might even revitalize my Guard army.

Oh, and there were a bunch of heads! respirator heads, heads with berets, bald heads, heads with mohawks and crew cuts. Most were scarred, and one had an eyepatch, while another had a disfigured eye with what looked like claw marks, one head was smoking a stogie, and there were two heads with berets. There was even a knife that looked like a trench knife with raised knuckle dusters. There were scopes, a hand radio, and a bunch of bits for the bases including plants, a snake, and some ammo cans and satchel charges. There was even a hand holding an entrenching tool (shovel to you non-military types). There were a few holstered pistols, and as a delightful surprise, there were also autoguns in addition to lasguns, and there were bits for pistol and close combat weapon troops, although few were chainblades. There was a demo charge, melta bombs, and camo cloaks.

......etc........

There was a Knight Paladin that is taller than riptide, but not as tall as the Wraithknight. It seemed top have a vanquisher cannon and an Uber-chainsword, which are a standard load outs I am told. You may upgrade it to a punisher Cannon and/or also swap the chainsword out for an Uber-Fist with Inferno Flamers.

.......etc.........

I was very, very impressed. The attention to detail was phenomenal. If you have any questions, ask them quick, before I am "sanctioned" by the inquisition. What is that sound outside the window.......?

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
via StrykerSniper (WHO WAS AT GW HQ AND SAW THIS STUFF FIRST HAND) on Warseer :

Allegedly. This guy has no prior history so it is a crapshoot if he's telling the truth or not.

 pretre wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
via StrykerSniper (WHO WAS AT GW HQ AND SAW THIS STUFF FIRST HAND) on Warseer :

Allegedly. This guy has no prior history so it is a crapshoot if he's telling the truth or not.

Yes, add salt before completely digesting it in... I find it odd that IG is out in March, that Dakka locked the IG Thread 16ish pages in (and another IG thread that started, only 2 pages in), yet Tyranids went on and on for months, (went off topic dozens of times) and even a new thread started because the old was over 100 pages, and never got locked... Wonder why.

It generally falls to the vagaries of reports and such.

Sure, yeah. that's one reason...

 Alpharius wrote:
Sure, yeah. that's one reason...

I was being vague and trying not to out the Mods for being secret GW insiders who must keep the truth hidden!

Ho-hum, if the Knight rumour is true I won't be needing to track down a new arm for my Leviathan just yet.

Sure you will!

We all KNOW what other Knights could and should be armed with...

Blank Apocalypse Datasheets exist for a reason!

True, this just means I don't need to rush and pay a king's ransom in order to get the Beowulf and Ripper Saw arms stat, now I can take my time and wait for a non-US distributor to start selling those babies.

Really wanting this to be true now, wow, it's been ages since I've been genuinely giddy about something 40k!

 pretre wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Sure, yeah. that's one reason...

I was being vague and trying not to out the Mods for being secret GW insiders who must keep the truth hidden!

Silence! Lies!!

...or somesuch