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Would three Mortis Contemptor dreads in a list be considered cheesy?

Can you use the more "modern" dreadnought body with the FW autocannons? The Mortis dreadnoughts on FW remind me of vintage Eldar wraithlords.

Cheers!

Nah, because its not Netlist X,Y or Z haha

Dreads have one problem: First blood, if that did not exist I think more people would take them.

An important thing to remember is this: FW is not cheesy or OP like the internet stereotypes, in fact its far from it as it is quite balanced with only a very, very small miniority being considered "Cheesy".

I was considering putting them in a central location for coverage, with a librarian on a bike with PFG to cover them.


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Also considering 2x mortis dread, preferably squatting on an objective, bubble-wrapped by a veteran squad armed with storm shields, with a Libby (on foot attached) behind armed with PFG, positioned to NOT give an enemy the ++ save should they get into base-to-base with the Vets.

Cheers!

Well sound like a plan

I apologize if this is more of a tactics question.

I run two standard Venerable Mortis (Mortises?) accompanied by a PFG techmarine. Rare is the occasion they're not dead by midgame, they are a juicy target and deepstrikers, bikers and fast vehicles make short work of them as soon as they get in range (or, even worse, if they manage to assault). But that seldom happens before turn 2, and by the time their inevitable end comes they've probably had enough time to dakka something valuable out of existance.

I'd pass on the SS vets, though. Way too high an investment just to keep a cheapo dread alive. Simply stay at range and trust your 4++

 happygolucky wrote:
Nah, because its not Netlist X,Y or Z haha

Dreads have one problem: First blood, if that did not exist I think more people would take them.

An important thing to remember is this: FW is not cheesy or OP like the internet stereotypes, in fact its far from it as it is quite balanced with only a very, very small miniority being considered "Cheesy".

GW just ok'd all forgeworld at their events, including the rvanna riptide, possibly the most broken model for the point value ever released. That alone means your wrong. Would rather fight ANYTHING in the game than have 3 of these on the other side of the board from me.

Orozco - you missed the update to the rvarna in your whining there. No longer broken

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Orozco - you missed the update to the rvarna in your whining there. No longer broken

On forgeworlds page, it still links to the experimental T7 6W up to 8 pieplates at once bullcrap as before. So citation needed or you are wrong.

 Orock wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Orozco - you missed the update to the rvarna in your whining there. No longer broken

On forgeworlds page, it still links to the experimental T7 6W up to 8 pieplates at once bullcrap as before. So citation needed or you are wrong.

If you say so. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/R/Rvarna15-1-2014.pdf

I see 2 plates per turn with the option to fire 4 then not fire next turn. Still silly good...maybe not as broken?

 dementedwombat wrote:


I see 2 plates per turn with the option to fire 4 then not fire next turn. Still silly good...maybe not as broken?

I believe he's referring to the fact that the pie plates hit models 2-3 times if they're very bulky or extremely bulky. Hence the 8 pie plate comment. An MC or similar would suffer 6 S8 hits assuming both cannons hit; double that with the volley fire rule.

No kill like overkill.

Whats that? You brought 3 carnifex in a squad? That's cute. I overcharge my rvanna, fire 4 pieplates into them. Lets say one scatters disasterously, one hits, and 2 scatter so only 2 are hit. So that's 14 str 8 hits at ap 3 for very bulky. Now 2s to wound. say 11 or 12 wounds. So 2 dead carnifex from one 260 point model. terminators, biker squads of all kinds, tau suit groups, large monstrous creatures all evaporate. And with 4 pie plates hordes fold too.

Anyone who cant see this for broken beyond redemption is a forgeworld meganut.

Will the FW autocannons fit on a standard dreadnought?

 Orock wrote:
Whats that? You brought 3 carnifex in a squad? That's cute. I overcharge my rvanna, fire 4 pieplates into them. Lets say one scatters disasterously, one hits, and 2 scatter so only 2 are hit. So that's 14 str 8 hits at ap 3 for very bulky. Now 2s to wound. say 11 or 12 wounds. So 2 dead carnifex from one 260 point model. terminators, biker squads of all kinds, tau suit groups, large monstrous creatures all evaporate. And with 4 pie plates hordes fold too.

Anyone who cant see this for broken beyond redemption is a forgeworld meganut.

Eh, not to rain on your parade, but the gun is AP4, so most MCs will get their armour save.

Not saying its broken or not, but just so you have the full picture.

And Grim Dark, my understanding is that they will. They're designed as replacement bits for the standard bits, so I can only assume so.

Grim Dark wrote:
Will the FW autocannons fit on a standard dreadnought?

The dreadnought weapons from FW will fit on the plastic dreadnought.
The Contemptor weapons, however, are not compatible.

 Orock wrote:
Whats that? You brought 3 carnifex in a squad? That's cute. I overcharge my rvanna, fire 4 pieplates into them. Lets say one scatters disasterously, one hits, and 2 scatter so only 2 are hit. So that's 14 str 8 hits at ap 3 for very bulky. Now 2s to wound. say 11 or 12 wounds. So 2 dead carnifex from one 260 point model. terminators, biker squads of all kinds, tau suit groups, large monstrous creatures all evaporate. And with 4 pie plates hordes fold too.

Anyone who cant see this for broken beyond redemption is a forgeworld meganut.

Cool, so you still didn't bother to read the rules, despite them being handed to you? AP4. Oh and mc are extremely bulky, which is why it is s8. So those 12 wounds drops to 4, less if you have FNP.

Try to do some basic research before ranting. You look less silly.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Grim Dark wrote:
Will the FW autocannons fit on a standard dreadnought?

The dreadnought weapons from FW will fit on the plastic dreadnought.
The Contemptor weapons, however, are not compatible.

No coaxing of the contemptor weapons will get them to work with the newer GW plastic (venerable?) dreadnought models? Too bad if so. The FW contemptor models look like vintage elder wraithlords to me.

Cheers.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Whats that? You brought 3 carnifex in a squad? That's cute. I overcharge my rvanna, fire 4 pieplates into them. Lets say one scatters disasterously, one hits, and 2 scatter so only 2 are hit. So that's 14 str 8 hits at ap 3 for very bulky. Now 2s to wound. say 11 or 12 wounds. So 2 dead carnifex from one 260 point model. terminators, biker squads of all kinds, tau suit groups, large monstrous creatures all evaporate. And with 4 pie plates hordes fold too.

Anyone who cant see this for broken beyond redemption is a forgeworld meganut.

Cool, so you still didn't bother to read the rules, despite them being handed to you? AP4. Oh and mc are extremely bulky, which is why it is s8. So those 12 wounds drops to 4, less if you have FNP.

Try to do some basic research before ranting. You look less silly.

While it is only AP 4, under the condition the poster said I count it 21 wounds, one blast hit 3 MC, that is 3 Wounds each, (9 Wounds) 2 blasts scatter only hitting 2 models each, 3 wounds per model is 6 more per blast (12 wounds), for a total of 21. Not sure where you draw only 4 wounds from. Even if the each blast only did one wound per hit it would still be 7 wounds. All at Str 8 at 60 inches. So it might not kill a brood outright. Probably kill 2 though. Wish a Tyrannofex was anywhere near that good as that FW model.

Unless there is a rules set that isn't linked to the model in FW site, only one I could find.

Rumbleguts wrote:
Probably kill 2 though.

Might want to do the math on that. Your average is one dead, one wounded, from a 200+ point unit that won't be shooting at all next turn. And that's in the ideal situation of a three-model MC target. It's really not the same unit anymore.

You're also not hitting 3 mc from one blast, not 60mm bases, 2" coherency and 5" marker.

I wouldn't consider 3 in a list cheesy. It's not like they're wave serpents or Riptides. I say do it because it would look awesome on the field.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
You're also not hitting 3 mc from one blast, not 60mm bases, 2" coherency and 5" marker.

Models are not always at maximum coherency though, the original post was based on 1 template hitting 3 and two of the other three hitting two.


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 Peregrine wrote:

Rumbleguts wrote:
Probably kill 2 though.

Might want to do the math on that. Your average is one dead, one wounded, from a 200+ point unit that won't be shooting at all next turn. And that's in the ideal situation of a three-model MC target. It's really not the same unit anymore.

True, 1 pretty much 1 guaranteed dead carnifex and another hurt, maybe badly. Should be 16 wounds before armor saves. That is still a lot of damage to put on a group of T6 models from one model.

A unit of three dex will be though. They have little to no reason to clump up. Even hitting two will be tricky, as scattering is easy.

A 3 man squad of crisis suits with melta and plasma (which I'll admit is kind of a weird loadout, but that's what I usually take) will do the same amount of unsaved wounds over 2 turns for a little over half the points. Lots of people (including me) forget just how killy the classic crisis team can be.

Of course they have to end their turns 18" away instead of 60"

Grim Dark wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Grim Dark wrote:
Will the FW autocannons fit on a standard dreadnought?

The dreadnought weapons from FW will fit on the plastic dreadnought.
The Contemptor weapons, however, are not compatible.

No coaxing of the contemptor weapons will get them to work with the newer GW plastic (venerable?) dreadnought models? Too bad if so. The FW contemptor models look like vintage elder wraithlords to me.

Cheers.

The Contemptor weapons would look a little silly on a regular dreadnought. If you're good at modeling, you could make it work. However, I would recommend using the Contemptor weapons only on contemptors and the regular dreadhought weapons on regular dreadnoughts.

At Morloc, he was asking about contemptors, not who has an axe to grind with Forge World. Please take that discussion elsewhere.

If we could move back towards the original topic it'd be good.

Thanks !

 Orock wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Nah, because its not Netlist X,Y or Z haha

Dreads have one problem: First blood, if that did not exist I think more people would take them.

An important thing to remember is this: FW is not cheesy or OP like the internet stereotypes, in fact its far from it as it is quite balanced with only a very, very small miniority being considered "Cheesy".

GW just ok'd all forgeworld at their events, including the rvanna riptide, possibly the most broken model for the point value ever released. That alone means your wrong. Would rather fight ANYTHING in the game than have 3 of these on the other side of the board from me.

Ok please actually read my comment before you go off whining about how FW is so stereotypically OP..

Did I say that only a very small minority would be considered cheesy?

Why yes I did..

Did it say the vast majority of FW is balanced?

Why yes I did..

Never, ever get the majority and all of FW mixed up, we know that some of FW units can be considered OP but the majority like its dreads and many others are considered not..

plus it kinda really doesn't matter how many wounds an R'vana plus out, if you have a good save (which many will now because of the AP is now 4 on the R'vana), you will tank it all (and this is coming from an Ork player who has seen over 120 dice poured onto hit Warboss and Meganobz and still lived to tell the tale..

But back to topic, OP please show us your list because it would be cool to see what else is fighting alongside your dreads