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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 17:51:37
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Corporal
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So I'm a brand new Space Wolves player who just got his hands on a rather large amount of amazingly painted models and is putting together my first list to play with based on what I now have. I know that this list has MANY holes in it as i'm very restricted by what I have and my local area is fairly strict about WYSIWYG (only allowing a few proxies), but if all of you out there in Dakkaland could give a look see and pass off any corrections, errors, critiques, swaps or suggestions it would be most excellent. Also any "you should buy this next" or "you don't have ___ on your list" type advice is also greatly appreciated as I have just finished the Codex and have little experience with the Wolves.
HQ - Rune Priest with Runic Armor, Rune Ax, Living Lightning, Jaws of the Wolf Lord, (joins bolter long fangs team)
HQ - Rune Priest, Rune Ax, Divination, Murderous Hurricane (joins terminator assault team)
ELITES - Wolf Guard Pack (5 Terminator Armor)
*** this team will join different squads as Pack Leaders***
+ Cyclone Missile Launcher, Hammer,Storm Shield (joins missile/laz long fang team I)
+ storm bolter**proxy for assault cannon, Power Fist (joins missile/laz long fang team II)
+ Combi melta**proxy for assault cannon, Power Fist (joins Drop Pod, GHs)
+ Hammer, Storm Shield (joins foot slogging GH team I)
+ Hammer, Storm Shield (joins foot slogging GH team II)
ELITES - Wolf Guard Pack (5 Terminator Armor)
***assault team
+ Storm Bolter, power fist
+ Storm Bolter, power fist
+ Storm Bolter, chain fist
+ Storm Bolter, Power Ax
+ Cyclone Missile Launcher, storm shield, Hammer
TROOPS - Gray Hunters (9): mark of the wulfen, flamer, wolf standard, power fist, Drop Pod
*** drop in with a terminator kill things up close, hold objectives
TROOPS - Grey Hunters (10): mark of the wulfen, wolf standard, flamer, melta-gun, power fist
*** foot born assault squad
TROOPS - Grey Hunters (10) wolf standard, 2x Plasma Guns, power sword
*** foot born multi purposes squad
HEAVY SUPPORT - Long Fangs Pack - 3 x missile launchers, 2 x Laz Guns
*** anti armor / anti monster
HEAVY SUPPORT - Long Fangs Pack - 3 x missile launchers, 2 x Laz Guns
*** anti armor / anti monster
HEAVY SUPPORT - Long Fangs Pack - 5 x Heavy Bolters
*** anti infantry
So that is the 1850 point list based on what I have, the plan is to foot slog the infantry units forward with the terminators and their 2+ armor save absorbing most of the damage, The Drop Pod will come in early to an objective or a must kill unit going to close combat as soon as possible. the wolf guard unit will also move forward and the priest will convey various bonuses, the long fangs will set up in various position and shoot things with the terminator or rune armored priest absorbing damage.
my only question is seeing how I can only have one missile launcher per 5 Wolf Guard can I have the second missile launcher equipped Terminator from Squad II join the missile / Laz long fangs squad II and then have the the bolter/power fist terminator from squad I join the remaining four terminators of squad II as he is an independent character?? I just would like to have those extra missiles (as well as storm shield) with like weapons.
Thanks in advance! oh and for reference what I have left over are:
HQ
rune priest with ax
njal stormcaller (both old and new models)
Urik the Slayer
Cannis Wolf Born
ELITES
Wolf guard in power armor, with frost ax
Arjac Rock Fist
TROOPS
mark of the wulfen
2 x Plasma GHs
5 x standard GHs
2 x melta gun GHs
2 x Flamer GHs
GH with power sword
HEAVY SUPPORT
5 long fangs with missiles
2 long fangs with laz guns
6 long fangs with multi melta
So that is that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 02:56:39
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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We require more Drop.Pods!
Plus, Missile Launchers beat Heavy Bolters any day of the weak.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 03:20:13
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
Louisville, Ky
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Re-read the WG sections, you may only take an assault cannon per 5 units in the pack. so take one out for the 30 points.
Terminators are Bulky and take up 2 slots in transports your 9 man pack would have to be an 8 man pack to accept WGT in its drop pod.
Swap out the Heavy bolter LF and fill it with new Long fangs Las and Missiles.
I would reccomend a Wolf Priest instead of a Rune Priest as the second HQ slot, you can do alot with a Wolf priest and a 10 man pack of hunters.
Power swords are silly, no need for em based on point cost especially when rolling 10 man with a Mark of the Wulfen, nix that and add the points into Sagas for your HQs or a Lone Wolf.
You could always use more mobile armor, Rhinos, Land Raiders and Drop pods are the best! Land Raider with 6 WGT and a Rune priest in termie armor is awesome!
1 Assault Cannon/Power fist
1 Arjac Rock fist
1Combi melta/power fist
1Combi melta/power fist
2 Wolf Claws
2 Wolf Claws
RP with storm and runic weapon, pop them out, Jaws of the Wolf Lord after using Arjac's Foehammer then assault and mop up bystandars next turn with the Assault Cannon.
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2015: 8/5/4
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 03:57:01
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Corporal
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Waagh - additional pods and/or rhinos are my next purchases so more will eventually be on the way. My first army was/is Tau so I know the perils of foot slogging in the 6th edition from the other end of the barrel. I will also see about freeing up the 50 or so points to mod the third long fang team to another missile/laz build.
Kavik - I dont think I did a good job explaining it but none of my WG are carrying assault cannons; two of the models have them but I'm proxhing them for the bolter and combi melta respectively. I can't use both the cyclones and assaults so I had to choose one and proxy out the other.
Good catch on the drop pod numbers for TDA l will have to rework the drop pod team, as well as the insight into the uselessness of the power sword!
I'll take a better look at the wolf priest and see what they bring! As for the transports I'm already tracking and know that they should be my next purchases despite my wanting to get some thunderwolf Calvary in play soon.
Thanks again for your input and assistance .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 04:14:12
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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Sorry, but a Rune Priest beats a Wolf Priest any day of the week. You exchange 4++, Fearless, and Preferred Enemy to one type of model for the best Psychic defense in the game, a Force Weapon of who's flavour you can pick (as opposed to an enforced Power Maul,) and most importantly Psychic buffs. This gives the squad rerolls to hit in range and combat, or a 4+ flat Invuln, or Overwatch at full BS, or... You get the point. With the prevelance of Psykers, it's juat not worth giving up that 4+ bubble.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 04:20:58
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
Louisville, Ky
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Waaaghpower wrote:Sorry, but a Rune Priest beats a Wolf Priest any day of the week. You exchange 4++, Fearless, and Preferred Enemy to one type of model for the best Psychic defense in the game, a Force Weapon of who's flavour you can pick (as opposed to an enforced Power Maul,) and most importantly Psychic buffs. This gives the squad rerolls to hit in range and combat, or a 4+ flat Invuln, or Overwatch at full BS, or... You get the point. With the prevelance of Psykers, it's juat not worth giving up that 4+ bubble.
you right, but he already has one and its a good build as is. A second one would be nice but why not just wait till over 2K and put the second one in, a Wolf priest is great (as is the Rune Priest) dont get me wrong, I love both and use both often, but with this list of foot sloggers popping a perffered enemy, fearless unit that can outflank your entire 10 man squad (with acute senses) then make full use of the onslaught of fire that comes from a full GH squad there is alot to be said when your opponent realizes that you outflanked a scoring unit full of plasma and bolters that all have counter attack
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 04:40:44
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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Kavik_Whitescar wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:Sorry, but a Rune Priest beats a Wolf Priest any day of the week. You exchange 4++, Fearless, and Preferred Enemy to one type of model for the best Psychic defense in the game, a Force Weapon of who's flavour you can pick (as opposed to an enforced Power Maul,) and most importantly Psychic buffs. This gives the squad rerolls to hit in range and combat, or a 4+ flat Invuln, or Overwatch at full BS, or... You get the point. With the prevelance of Psykers, it's juat not worth giving up that 4+ bubble.
you right, but he already has one and its a good build as is. A second one would be nice but why not just wait till over 2K and put the second one in, a Wolf priest is great (as is the Rune Priest) dont get me wrong, I love both and use both often, but with this list of foot sloggers popping a perffered enemy, fearless unit that can outflank your entire 10 man squad (with acute senses) then make full use of the onslaught of fire that comes from a full GH squad there is alot to be said when your opponent realizes that you outflanked a scoring unit full of plasma and bolters that all have counter attack
An ammendmant to my statement: Wolf Priests are better than Rune Priests, but only when you use them to give Outflank to a squad.
Then again, why not both?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 04:42:03
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
Louisville, Ky
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Waaaghpower wrote:Kavik_Whitescar wrote:Waaaghpower wrote:Sorry, but a Rune Priest beats a Wolf Priest any day of the week. You exchange 4++, Fearless, and Preferred Enemy to one type of model for the best Psychic defense in the game, a Force Weapon of who's flavour you can pick (as opposed to an enforced Power Maul,) and most importantly Psychic buffs. This gives the squad rerolls to hit in range and combat, or a 4+ flat Invuln, or Overwatch at full BS, or... You get the point. With the prevelance of Psykers, it's juat not worth giving up that 4+ bubble.
you right, but he already has one and its a good build as is. A second one would be nice but why not just wait till over 2K and put the second one in, a Wolf priest is great (as is the Rune Priest) dont get me wrong, I love both and use both often, but with this list of foot sloggers popping a perffered enemy, fearless unit that can outflank your entire 10 man squad (with acute senses) then make full use of the onslaught of fire that comes from a full GH squad there is alot to be said when your opponent realizes that you outflanked a scoring unit full of plasma and bolters that all have counter attack
An ammendmant to my statement: Wolf Priests are better than Rune Priests, but only when you use them to give Outflank to a squad.
Then again, why not both?
no point in taking a RP witout Runic armor (if not termie) and you cannot give Saga of the hunter to anything that is out of power armor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/27 06:31:32
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Member of the Malleus
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The second Rune Priest cannot take both book powers and BRB power.
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I make bad decisions and think they are good.
Team No Bueno
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/28 04:17:11
Subject: My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
Louisville, Ky
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thanks for the clarification.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/30 04:02:14
Subject: Re:My first Wolf list (1850)...need help
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Corporal
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thank you all for the feed back, suggestions and quality control. Based on what you all suggested and what I currently have I've changed the list to what is below. With my lack of fast attack and dedicated transport models adding the wolf priest in lieu of the second rune priest and conveying the ability to outflank a unit will be a huge help in mobility to my foot slogging army. Also got rid of the heavy bolter long fangs and replaced them with another missile and laz team as well as adjusting the drop pod team to fit wolf guard in TDA in the pod.
HQ - Rune Priest, Rune Ax, Living Lightning, Jaws of the Wolf Lord
*** joins grey hunter multi-purpose team***
HQ - Wolf Priest, Saga of the Hunter,
***joins a team that I need to outflank based on opponent ***
ELITES - Wolf Guard Pack (5 Terminator Armor)
*** this team will join different squads as Pack Leaders***
+ Cyclone Missile Launcher, Hammer,Storm Shield (joins missile/laz long fang team I)
+ storm bolter, Power Fist (joins missile/laz long fang team II)
+ Combi melta, Power Fist (joins Drop Pod, GHs)
+ Hammer, Storm Shield (joins foot slogging GH team I)
+ Hammer, Storm Shield (joins foot slogging GH team II)
ELITES - Wolf Guard Pack (5 Terminator Armor)
***assault team
+ Storm Bolter, power fist
+ Storm Bolter, power fist
+ Storm Bolter, chain fist
+ Storm Bolter, Power Ax
+ Cyclone Missile Launcher, storm shield, Hammer
TROOPS - Gray Hunters (8): mark of the wulfen, flamer, wolf standard, power fist, Drop Pod
*** drop in with a terminator kill things up close, hold objectives
TROOPS - Grey Hunters (10): mark of the wulfen, wolf standard, flamer, melta-gun, power fist
*** footborne assault squad
TROOPS - Grey Hunters (10) wolf standard, 2x Plasma Guns
*** footborne multi purposes squad
HEAVY SUPPORT - Long Fangs Pack - 3 x missile launchers, 2 x Laz Guns
HEAVY SUPPORT - Long Fangs Pack - 3 x missile launchers, 2 x Laz Guns
HEAVY SUPPORT - Long Fangs Pack - 4 x missile launchers, 1 x Laz Guns
Still open to any additional changes, critiques or comments. This is a temporary list until i can get some more transports (pods/rhinos) as well as some Calvary.
Thanks again all!
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