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Has anyone ever used them? Seen them used? The idea intrigues me...

Back at the start of 6th edition when MEQ armies were ditching mechanised tactics in favour of massing footslogging 2+/3+ armour units (in particular I saw a lot of Grey Hunter units being led by terminators) I swapped one of my 3 Lance Ravagers out for a Disintegrator one. It absolutely maimed foot MEQ and TEQ units and it maimed them fast. It's also decent at grounding flying Daemon Princes and can really put the hurt on one already on the ground.

Really, it still does that job very well. But that job is no longer as critical as it was back in those days. The sheer numbers of MEQ and TEQ bodies that were put on the field made it a godsend, but now everyone's back in their vehicles. Certain armies aside (Deathwing, GK), there usually aren't enough TEQ bodies running around to overwhelm the Blasters/Lances in the army, and the drop in MEQ bodies makes splinter shooting perfectly capable of taking them down.

Disintegrators can shred AV10 and can even threaten AV11...but the usefulness ends once you get to AV12+. And the volume of shots doesn't match the S8 of the Lances against T6+.

In short, they're wonderful at what they do...but our army already has that covered efficiently enough.

Don't forget they murder Broadsides and Crisis Suits, plus threaten the Buffmander tanking his unit's wounds pretty realibly. Also quite threatening to Riptides.

If your list already has good AT(if you ally in a Wraithknight, for instance), then I'd definitely take Disintegrators over Dark Lances.

They're hilariously excellent when firing at the appropriate targets, but don't forget Lances can ID a lot of important models.

Not to mention, Lances ALSO work great as AT, whereas Dissies are basically only AI.

I can honestly say I have never seen the appeal of the "new" dissies. The old ones where plasma cannons, the new ones are AP 2 heavy bolters that you give up your best AT platform for. You lose the ability to kill any vehicle in the game and hurt any model, MC, IC, or otherwise for the ability to be slightly better at killing heavy infantry.

No thanks, thats what venoms are for.

I would always run at least one Ravager with Disintegrators in a Dark Eldar+Eldar list: 9 S5 AP2 shots with Guide makes for a really surprisingly-effective anti-infantry platform.

It has the volume of fire to take on hordes if needs be (although venoms would probably serve you much better in this instance) and also, it has the S and AP to threaten some common bulky units, such as Broadsides, Riptides, Centurions etc.

I would echo the sentiment that if you have a Wraithknight then you would generally be better off with the 3 x Disintegrator Ravager.

Iranna.

Depends on your meta...

I'm seeing a lot more "foot" lists, or big blobs on foot. Dissies are great.

Seems to me like if you're seeing more targets that could merit switching out darklance ravagers for disintegrator ravagers, it would be better to just take a razorwing instead? Or change other units to be more anti-infantry focused so you can keep your best, most effective and efficient anti-vehicle units performing in their role better than any other unit in the codex could?

Disintegrator ravagers seem like a listbuilding trap. You give up one of your best units for a unit that is good but not better than other selections for that function.

My 2c.

 Dracos wrote:
Seems to me like if you're seeing more targets that could merit switching out darklance ravagers for disintegrator ravagers, it would be better to just take a razorwing instead? Or change other units to be more anti-infantry focused so you can keep your best, most effective and efficient anti-vehicle units performing in their role better than any other unit in the codex could?

Disintegrator ravagers seem like a listbuilding trap. You give up one of your best units for a unit that is good but not better than other selections for that function.

My 2c.

My earlier point, just said better .

Dissie Ravagers just don't really fit into an "All-Comers" list.

 Dracos wrote:
Seems to me like if you're seeing more targets that could merit switching out darklance ravagers for disintegrator ravagers, it would be better to just take a razorwing instead? Or change other units to be more anti-infantry focused so you can keep your best, most effective and efficient anti-vehicle units performing in their role better than any other unit in the codex could?

Disintegrator ravagers seem like a listbuilding trap. You give up one of your best units for a unit that is good but not better than other selections for that function.

My 2c.

Unfortunately, not everyone has a Razorwing, or the money to buy one. What I DO have is three Ravagers and all the spare Disintegrators left over. They'd be easy as heck to magnetize, and I was just trying to figure out if it'd be worth it.

The consensus seems to be 'no,' so I will probably not waste my time.

 gardeth wrote:


My earlier point, just said better .

Dissie Ravagers just don't really fit into an "All-Comers" list.

I would have to completely disagree in terms of an Eldar+Dark Eldar list, the AP2 firepower that a Dizzieger brings is really quite valuable in these kinds of lists as AP2 is generally something that Eldar lists lack at long range.

In terms of a solo-Dark Eldar list, they have their place. Recently I've been trying out 2 x DL Ravagers, Vect's Dais and 1 Dizzieger and it's been working very well, I certainly think that the Dais is a much underrated unit and it really helps DE get that 4th Ravager we've all dreamed of.

Iranna.

A Dark Eldar vehicle with AV13 on all sides and carrying inside one very mean, lean killing machine? That's pretty amazing, if you ask me. Not sure why people don't use it more often(other than it and Vect are 450 points, but if you're using Vect already, I see no reason why you wouldn't use a Dais with him).

i think the biggest thing for not using the dias, is it cant move the same speed as ravagers and fire all its weapons. (unless that has been FAQ'd)

plus DE got hurt when it comes to combat, especially with overwatch being how it is

 DarthSpader wrote:
i think the biggest thing for not using the dias, is it cant move the same speed as ravagers and fire all its weapons. (unless that has been FAQ'd)

plus DE got hurt when it comes to combat, especially with overwatch being how it is

Hammy, Vect, and 8 Incubis ftw!

I've used dissies on ravages with great success. But, only one is needed.

 DarthSpader wrote:

plus DE got hurt when it comes to combat, especially with overwatch being how it is

Thats why the only real CC units I have now are haywire wyches and the beastpack. Everything else has to be overbuilt to survive the extra turn to get into cc, overwatch, and still get something done when it gets there.

If ever ran 3 Ravagers, 1 of them would always have Dessies. This is the only vehicle and unit in our codex when configured like this, can pump out a reliable number of shots with a Strength value. I think with the meta the way it is (MCs galore, Tau, Daemons) they still have a great place. They don't help you much against Eldar, but not too big of a deal.

If you take 3 Ravagers and 1 of them has Dessies, just make sure you have other AT in other parts of your list. I wouldn't run a Dess Ravager with Venom spam and Eldar, as it has no need. But in a TAC list, you can for sure fit one in and be happy with it. Your opponents will target it early because it is a potent weapon.