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1. Silentium Flood (Halo)
2. Protoss (Starcraft)
3. Beast (Homeworld)

How well and how long would these race survive in the grimdark galaxy of 40k before getting killed off?

They get assimilated by Tyranids.

Flood potentially could reach epic proportions if they hit a hive world, even marine get dragged down by zombies.

Are the protos the starcraft rip.offs of the eldar?

Beast are a small threat to the massive tech and scale.of.the 40k universe

The Flood could potentially cause some damage if they don't get exterminatussed too soon.

The Protoss, having no prior experience with the Warp, would all be possessed by daemons within five minutes of arriving.

Da font is a Homeland? Is that the one where North Korea pulls a Red Dawn?

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
The Flood could potentially cause some damage if they don't get exterminatussed too soon.

The Protoss, having no prior experience with the Warp, would all be possessed by daemons within five minutes of arriving.

Da font is a Homeland? Is that the one where North Korea pulls a Red Dawn?

home world RTS game from about 10-15 years back

Homeworld not homefront 0____0

Protoss don't have the numbers to survive contact...With anyone. The scale is off, they'd die or decide they wanted to fight for the greater good, one or the other.

VampireDeLaVega wrote:
1. Silentium Flood (Halo)

The minute these things encounter the Tyranid Hive fleets, I think I would rather just grab a ship and leave the galaxy.

To think on it, your talking about 2 races of hyper evolved bio-organisms meeting. The flood has the ability to tap into the central nervous system, as a symbiote, and modify the host into hyper predator. I would see the flood quickly becoming consumed and enfolded into the fleets. I really don't think the galaxy would like to see whole new breeds of Malanthropes that can do even more genetic evil on the battlefield, let alone something like a carnifex that can evolve at will to suit the task at hand, rather than have to spawn a whole new clutch to handle said task.

What about Klingons? They'd love being in a Universe where there is nothing but endless war.

Ewoks would win out in the end though.

They die. They all die. Their passing goes unnoticed and unremarked, being the tiniest of ripples on the surface of space.

40k is definitely one of, if not the, heavyweaight sci-fi universes. Everything is beyond grimdark, powerful, and deadly and huge in size and scale. Even star wars, which has huge amounts of power as far as sci-fi setting go wouldn't last long when a freaking star destroyer is the size of a frigate (no really, a cobra destroyer, one of the "smallest escorts" is the same size as a freakin star destroyer).

Being in the 40K universe is just finding a good way to die.

Klingons would stomp other races hard in space battles. Nothing in 40K can fight at FTL speeds.
On the ground, not so much. Baatleth vs. genestealer works out...poorly.

Naminé wrote:
Ewoks would win out in the end though.

Lets try someone with a little oomph...
How about the post economic scarcity society that is The Culture?

 Frazzled wrote:
Klingons would stomp other races hard in space battles. Nothing in 40K can fight at FTL speeds.
On the ground, not so much. Baatleth vs. genestealer works out...poorly.

Naminé wrote:
Ewoks would win out in the end though.

Spoiler:

EWOKS ARE THE HIVE MIND!

Lets try someone with a little oomph...
How about the post economic scarcity society that is The Culture?

Klingon vessels are tiny compared to what the Imperium flies. Most battles in ST also do not take place at even Warp 1, they fight under impulse speed.

I'd like to see something like the Combine from Half Life 2, kind of a dark mirror to the Tau. They have advanced technology and biomechanical alteration procedures.

warpcrafter wrote:What about Klingons? They'd love being in a Universe where there is nothing but endless war.

buddha wrote:Being in the 40K universe is just finding a good way to die.

Perfect for Klingons!

Speaking of Star Trek, I think the Borg would get on fine.

Speaking of Star Trek, I think the Borg would get on fine.

Borg shields only adapt to energy weapons. Many, many Imperial vessels pack macro-cannons, which shoot explosive shells the size of large buildings.

 Psienesis wrote:

Speaking of Star Trek, I think the Borg would get on fine.

Borg shields only adapt to energy weapons. Many, many Imperial vessels pack macro-cannons, which shoot explosive shells the size of large buildings.

They would adapt.

The Borg would do fine if they could get a foot hold early on. After they get a hold of 40K teknologi I am shure they would be able to fight. Also the Borg seem to do fine vs non-energy weapons as well, not just hide behind a shield.

What I think would be great would be when the borg got hold of eldars, orks, kroot or psykers in the hive. Funn all around. Wraight bone, necron phasing and Tau tecnolegy cubes. :-)

Of course borg got toasted by species 3198631983619236 something. It is not safe to know what how they would compare to tyranids.

Some Q enteties would also be cool.

Leo Atraidies and his golden path could do well (not a species but a singel person, then he would join the cabal would he not?)

Necromongers from Chronicles of Riddick?

Figure them and the Necrons would get along swell.
They can share the tech of gravity guns with them.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

Speaking of Star Trek, I think the Borg would get on fine.

Borg shields only adapt to energy weapons. Many, many Imperial vessels pack macro-cannons, which shoot explosive shells the size of large buildings.

They would adapt.

No, they wouldn't. They would die by the thousands, first to sustained fire from a hundred different Patterns of weapons from a dozen different Imperial Naval ships, and then fall to bolter and chainsword action as Space Marines boarded their Cubes with meltabombs and detonated it from the inside.

A race such as the Borg is a workaday issue for Space Marines. Seriously. They have nothing of any "zomg!" ability compared to the norms of 40K.

Leo Atraidies and his golden path could do well (not a species but a singel person, then he would join the cabal would he not?)

He (and his descendents) are already in 40K. They call him The God-Emperor of Mankind.

 Psienesis wrote:
They die. They all die. Their passing goes unnoticed and unremarked, being the tiniest of ripples on the surface of space.

Given that it effectively required killing all sentient life in the galaxy to stop the Flood, I'm betting they could do just fine in 40k verse. Upon infestation they assume and assimilate the knowledge and abilities of their hosts, so you cannot corner them. Once they infect a host they learn everything the host knows and the host's consciousness is consumed and merged into the gestalt whole. That gestalt consciousness, aka Gravemind, is roughly equivalent to the Shadow in the Warp in effectiveness, power, and reach.

 Maniac_nmt wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They die. They all die. Their passing goes unnoticed and unremarked, being the tiniest of ripples on the surface of space.

Given that it effectively required killing all sentient life in the galaxy to stop the Flood, I'm betting they could do just fine in 40k verse. Upon infestation they assume and assimilate the knowledge and abilities of their hosts, so you cannot corner them. Once they infect a host they learn everything the host knows and the host's consciousness is consumed and merged into the gestalt whole. That gestalt consciousness, aka Gravemind, is roughly equivalent to the Shadow in the Warp in effectiveness, power, and reach.

The Imperium alone has weapons that can stop the Flood dead in its tracks. You have a Flood-infested planet? You bomb the planet with the Life-Eater virus. This burns away the Flood entirely, and leaves not a single spore in its wake to infect another host. You do not even need to put your people at risk.

This does not even enter the sorts of things that Nurgle (or any particularly powerful psyker of any race, for that matter) could do with/to the Gravemind.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Maniac_nmt wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They die. They all die. Their passing goes unnoticed and unremarked, being the tiniest of ripples on the surface of space.

Given that it effectively required killing all sentient life in the galaxy to stop the Flood, I'm betting they could do just fine in 40k verse. Upon infestation they assume and assimilate the knowledge and abilities of their hosts, so you cannot corner them. Once they infect a host they learn everything the host knows and the host's consciousness is consumed and merged into the gestalt whole. That gestalt consciousness, aka Gravemind, is roughly equivalent to the Shadow in the Warp in effectiveness, power, and reach.

The Imperium alone has weapons that can stop the Flood dead in its tracks. You have a Flood-infested planet? You bomb the planet with the Life-Eater virus. This burns away the Flood entirely, and leaves not a single spore in its wake to infect another host. You do not even need to put your people at risk.

This does not even enter the sorts of things that Nurgle (or any particularly powerful psyker of any race, for that matter) could do with/to the Gravemind.

For the same reason virus bombing doesn't work against every Tyranid or Ork invasion, it wouldn't work vs the Flood. You're talking an interstellar species that caused the 'annihilation' of two tier 1 races, races with technology comparable to the best Eldar or Necron tech.

Halo 4 really jumped the shark with it's fluff turns, imho, but the Human/Forerunner war was between two races at the top of the galactic food chain (capable of building dyson spheres, galaxy killing weapons, psychics, etc). Driven into conflict by the Flood which pretty much wiped both races out of existence. The Forerunners seeded a tiny portion of the human race on Earth and a few others around the galaxy, and then basically digitized their race and killed everyone else in order to starve out the 'tyranids' because there was no other way to win.

When the Imperium is ready to nuke everything (all of their worlds) and can tackle a psychic being that can unify even the most basic flood organisms across the entire galaxy, then sure.

The Flood, in the Halo games, are only stopped because they've starved to death over something like 100,000 years. Even then it's a pretty near thing that they'll break loose and consume the galaxy and requires the detonation of a Halo ring that sterilizes a 25,000 light year radius (Not even the Necrons can bring destructive power like that) sphere of space. They aren't purely planet bound, as they routinely infest covenant and human forces and then use those ships to expand outwards. The one saving grace is how few ships actually come in contact with the Flood infestations.

Landing on a 40k planet with any space faring race pretty much means you will have the "Tyranids" on an all new scale and form. When a race that can kill all sentient life in the galaxy with the flick of a switch can't beat them without throwing that switch, the Imperium sure as hell isn't flicking a switch and doing it.
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The Forerunners, who smoke the Imperium seven ways to Sunday for Tech, and really the Necrons wish they could match some of their tech, had to kill everything in a scorched earth policy.

I know it's popular to have Halo fanboys think the Master Chief is all that and for 40k fanboys to want to run Halo down every chance they get, but nothing in 40k can instantly eradicate 25,000 light years worth of organic material in one shot. That's ~1/2 the galactic diameter in terms of diameter of effect (the milky way being ~100,000 to 120,000 light years across, and an installation working with a diameter of ~50,000 light years). Cyclonic torpedos, Death Stars, sun destroyers, the entire 40k Imperial fleet, etc are kids toys in comparison to a Halo device. Given that the only defense against a Halo detonation is to escape this plane of existence (by entering sub space). If it thinks/is sentient, it is dead, period.

The Flood, in the Halo games, are only stopped because they've starved to death over something like 100,000 years. Even then it's a pretty near thing that they'll break loose and consume the galaxy and requires the detonation of a Halo ring that sterilizes a 25,000 light year radius (Not even the Necrons can bring destructive power like that) sphere of space. They aren't purely planet bound, as they routinely infest covenant and human forces and then use those ships to expand outwards. The one saving grace is how few ships actually come in contact with the Flood infestations.

The Necrons actually do have that kind of power, they just don't use it like that. They have time-travel, for feth's sake.

The Flood, in the Halo games, are only stopped because they've starved to death over something like 100,000 years. Even then it's a pretty near thing that they'll break loose and consume the galaxy and requires the detonation of a Halo ring that sterilizes a 25,000 light year radius (Not even the Necrons can bring destructive power like that) sphere of space. They aren't purely planet bound, as they routinely infest covenant and human forces and then use those ships to expand outwards. The one saving grace is how few ships actually come in contact with the Flood infestations.

The Flood never become immune to fire. This is why the Life-Eater virus, which turns whatever world they pop out on in the description of this scenario into a flaming ball of hydrogen gas, will be effective. All the talk about how they spread is irrelevant, because they haven't had X millions of years of history in the 40K setting that they had in their own franchise.

Per the terms of this discussion, they get moved from Franchise A (Halo, Star Trek, whatever) to the 40K franchise. Which means they don't have galaxy-spanning infections or anything. They've got diddly, against a galaxy that brings a whole lot more than diddly.

I mean, seriously, the SM (and other factions) put down god-delivered zombie hordes as a matter of daily operations. You think some Space Zombies are going to somehow be more difficult than Zombies From CancerAIDS-Ridden Hell Bearing EbolaSARS?

That spreads by mind to mind? (Nurgle why ya gotta be so creative in your diseases)

 Psienesis wrote:

The Flood, in the Halo games, are only stopped because they've starved to death over something like 100,000 years. Even then it's a pretty near thing that they'll break loose and consume the galaxy and requires the detonation of a Halo ring that sterilizes a 25,000 light year radius (Not even the Necrons can bring destructive power like that) sphere of space. They aren't purely planet bound, as they routinely infest covenant and human forces and then use those ships to expand outwards. The one saving grace is how few ships actually come in contact with the Flood infestations.

The Necrons actually do have that kind of power, they just don't use it like that. They have time-travel, for feth's sake.

The Flood, in the Halo games, are only stopped because they've starved to death over something like 100,000 years. Even then it's a pretty near thing that they'll break loose and consume the galaxy and requires the detonation of a Halo ring that sterilizes a 25,000 light year radius (Not even the Necrons can bring destructive power like that) sphere of space. They aren't purely planet bound, as they routinely infest covenant and human forces and then use those ships to expand outwards. The one saving grace is how few ships actually come in contact with the Flood infestations.

The Flood never become immune to fire. This is why the Life-Eater virus, which turns whatever world they pop out on in the description of this scenario into a flaming ball of hydrogen gas, will be effective. All the talk about how they spread is irrelevant, because they haven't had X millions of years of history in the 40K setting that they had in their own franchise.

Per the terms of this discussion, they get moved from Franchise A (Halo, Star Trek, whatever) to the 40K franchise. Which means they don't have galaxy-spanning infections or anything. They've got diddly, against a galaxy that brings a whole lot more than diddly.

I mean, seriously, the SM (and other factions) put down god-delivered zombie hordes as a matter of daily operations. You think some Space Zombies are going to somehow be more difficult than Zombies From CancerAIDS-Ridden Hell Bearing EbolaSARS?

Save they aren't really zombies. They're a biological entity that consumes you into the gestalt whole and then spins out specialized infection hosts. Very much like the Tyranids consuming all organic matter. Super space Ebola is nothing vs. a 25,000 light year weapon. It's a shot gun vs an atomic bomb in scale and capacity to put down the flood.

If we move them as a faction, you do have a galaxy, or soon to be galaxy spanning race. As of Halo 4, it is only the detonation of the Halo which stops them as they converge on it to stop it from going active and wiping it out again. So, given that if you pull them across, they'd already be getting close to sector sized, the 40k universe is totally FUBAR as the flood now warp jumps across the galaxy with ease, consuming everything and multiplying faster than even tyranids or orks.

Time travel isn't really all that impressive, because if you can travel in time, anything you would go forward or backward and do you've already done so it wouldn't actually change anything. The Necron's big weapon claims to fame blow up star systems, the Forerunners kill galaxies, and have because nothing else could stop the Flood (i.e. all the planet killing weapons in the galaxy were stopping them, nuclear cleansing fire from the sky that literally glassed planets wasn't stopping them, nothing was stopping the Flood save total and complete annihilation).

'Cause Nurgle, he so crazy.

He has a disease.... lets call it CancerAIDS XII... you can get it just by seeing someone who has it, even if they are on TV.

Psiensis why do you take suck offense when somebody have different interpetation then you?

The flood and the Borg might not atract the atension of space marines. It would just be some other local menance until they got some traction. The flood could easaly travel from planet to planet undetected for quite some time like the genestealers. The borg would do hit and run attacks until it had good intel on your defenses. That is even asuming they come in contact with imperial froces. If the flood came into contact with orks or if the d. Eldars veponiced it good grief.

Also leo atraidies is not like the emperor. The emperor planed good and failed at the finishline. Leo foresaw all and sacwfised all on the golden path, he would be recruited by the cabal.

 Frazzled wrote:

Lets try someone with a little oomph...
How about the post economic scarcity society that is The Culture?

No ship in 40k stands even the remotest chance against a Culture vessel.

Ground combat would be a different matter initially. The Culture doesn't have a military per se, and considers that kind of foot slogging combat tremendously primitive. That said, if it became necessary to fight ground battles for whatever reason, a GSV or two could produce masses of lethal combat drones in a relatively short period.

They'd probably get on quite well with the Tau and Eldar, and I bet they'd have a soft spot for Orks too .

 Niiai wrote:
Psiensis why do you take suck offense when somebody have different interpetation then you?

The flood and the Borg might not atract the atension of space marines. It would just be some other local menance until they got some traction. The flood could easaly travel from planet to planet undetected for quite some time like the genestealers. The borg would do hit and run attacks until it had good intel on your defenses. That is even asuming they come in contact with imperial froces. If the flood came into contact with orks or if the d. Eldars veponiced it good grief.

Also leo atraidies is not like the emperor. The emperor planed good and failed at the finishline. Leo foresaw all and sacwfised all on the golden path, he would be recruited by the cabal.

That is, until the Flood/Borg gets eaten by the Warp.